Nolan's The Odyssey - Potentially could be epic or an epic flop.

[Estate]

She literally won an award for this translation btw.

Oh woaw, an award, in current year?
Well, golly gee, that just means it's the bestest.
Did you hear guys? An award!
Hey you niggers, make way, the award winning work comes through!
Do you chuds even awardmaxx?

 

[Nigger Respecter]

This is annoying because Lupita seems to be a nice person and she's a good actress. She doesn't deserve the mockery, but then, she knew well this could happen when she took the role.

You guys gotta realize that it's a very small minority of faggots that are actually whining about the movie

 

[That Chris Guy]

nah I'm good

*presses Skip button*

 

[Manly_Brony]

Sydney Sweeney covered in the finest chocolate on planet Earth couldn't convince me. I can forgive those really old movies that cast the most All-American actors ever to portray Romans/Greeks or the Jewiest of Jews yanked out of the Bronx trying to convince me that they're Viking warriors but isn't casting pretty much global now? Hiring real Greeks would probably do wonders for the budget. If Redditors can whine about Robert Downey Jr. taking away a heckin' awesome authentic Gypsy's chance to play Doctor Doom (who wasn't even a Gypsy 10-15 years ago) then we're allowed to complain too. I would love to know what actual Greeks think of this abomination.

And who will that pooner play? HERmes?

 

[dick brain]

Sometimes it isn't about the money but propaganda. They seem adamant to modernize and update old myths to appeal to the current zeitgeist.

Bold of you to assume they're not being given money to make the propaganda.

 

[Manly_Brony]

The only way this horrible cast could work is if it was modern like Romeo+Juliet. Ulysses King is a high-ranking military officer from an Old Money family who goes MIA with his squad in the Middle East and the Mediterranean during the Gulf War for a decade. He fucks hookers, does drugs, steals steaks, blinds a one-eyed bouncer, loses his men and eventually meets his son fighting in the invasion of Iraq and he returns home to Ithaca NY to ice all the Jodies who want to bang his Penny. Lupita could symbolize the oil he was fighting for or something. I would actually watch this if I was drunk/high.

 

[Milkshake Sniffer]

I can forgive those really old movies that cast the most All-American actors ever to portray Romans/Greeks or the Jewiest of Jews yanked out of the Bronx trying to convince me that they're Viking warriors but isn't casting pretty much global now? Hiring real Greeks would probably do wonders for the budget. If Redditors can whine about Robert Downey Jr. taking away a heckin' awesome authentic Gypsy's chance to play Doctor Doom (who wasn't even a Gypsy 10-15 years ago) then we're allowed to complain too.

These aren't the same thing. White American actors being cast as other races historically and being made up accordingly was nothing more than working with what they had and/or using actors whose name alone could draw an audience. (Yes kids - once upon a time paying an actor a small fortune made sense because the simple act of that actor being cast meant more people would pay to see a film.) This is not race swapping. No-one suggested Genghis Khan was not Mongolian because John Wayne played him in make up intended to make him look at least passably Mongolian. There is nothing racist about this - it was an attempt to represent the character as being of the race he actually was (you can quibble about how accurately), not replace it with another.

What we have now is film makers consciously going out of their way to replace characters of one race (usually white) with facsimilies of another race. There is no attempt to present the replacement as being of the original's race via make up or effects. Quite the reverse. They demand and expert praise and adulation for erasing the original race some even trying to fabricate/rewrite reality/history to accord with their actions. They are consciously making decisions based on race and lying about it. This is pure racism with a side order of deceit and that is what Nolan, amongst many others, is doing.

 

[Not A Bunny]

They are consciously making decisions based on race and lying about it.

And then telling us we're shitty human beings for questioning it.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Hiring real Greeks

Tell me you've never worked with Greeks.

 

[Pedophobe]

You guys gotta realize that it's a very small minority of faggots that are actually whining about the movie

That's still more people than are actually excited to watch this.

 

[VM_]

It's obvious they're targeting the next generation of normies, releasing this to correspond with Emily Wilson's translation. So when you pick up a new version of the book, there's also the updated movie version, making her translation feel all pervasive as opposed to the "backwards" previous ones. Nolan is just a shill who gets paid big bucks to work on this.

 

[Dracaena marginata]

When people don't show up to the theater in the numbers they're hoping for, we'll be seeing comparisons drawn to the Bud Light/Mulvaney fiasco. They're already doing what they can to suppress the negative press and sanitize the trailers of all the most incendiary woke stuff, but there's no way they'll be able to contain it and just blame their retarded decision making on bigots and racists the way they were able to in years past. This movie is going to be a flop from a marketing perspective even if it does generate enough revenue to break even.

When all is said and done I would be very curious to see the demographics for who actually turns up. Women as a whole will absolutely not be interested in a 3+ hour historical epic directed by Christopher Nolan. Will enough millenial manchildren turn up to offset the male zoomers who don't give a shit? I doubt it.

 

[regalterry]

You guys gotta realize that it's a very small minority of faggots that are actually whining about the movie

Everyone else meanwhile doesn't seem to give a shit.

It's a historical epic that doesn't look the part - this is no Troy, Gladiator or Cleopatra (if you want to go further back), that's for sure.

It looks cheap and drab, and I bet a significant percentage of the possible audience tuned out the moment they showed a nigger on screen.

usually white

It's always a one-way street, though. You never see a White or East Asian actor playing a brown or black character, it's always the lesser races replacing their betters at the behest of Jews.

When all is said and done I would be very curious to see the demographics for who actually turns up. Women as a whole will absolutely not be interested in a 3+ hour historical epic directed by Christopher Nolan. Will enough millenial manchildren turn up to offset the male zoomers who don't give a shit? I doubt it.

Hollywood is actively destroying more than a century of soft power building in a vain attempt to "own the chuds" and spite their own audience.

They're raceswapping themselves into irrelevance.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

I just heard about this movie from someone predicting a flop (I agree), but I have to say that this movie is exactly why I refuse to consume entertainment with browns in it. The only reason browns are ever added is for the purpose of making the entertainment an anti White humiliation ritual, and this is obviously no exception. I hope Pedowood loses hundreds of millions on this, and I want Nolan's career to die as well from it.

Now that I know about the awful translation they are basing the movie off, the other awful casting beyond the shitsmearing, and using iron armor in the bronze age, that just confirms that my bias is correct like always. I sure do love pattern recognition capabilities.

 

[Not A Bunny]

I just heard about this movie from someone predicting a flop (I agree)

See, I don't think it would have been so bad but for the fact that The Odyssey doesn't have a concept behind it that most people are interested in, like a typical Nolan movie might, coupled with (IMO) a lack of crazy good star talent.

Oppenheimer, I think was floated a lot on Cillian Murphy and RDJ. If not for them, it might have shifted the timeline of "Nolan's first real flop" to the left.

Also, I think because prior Nolan movies tended to have innovative or at least different takes than the normal Hollywood movie. Even his takes on Batman when they were poorly thought out (TDKR) seemed more elevated than most movies.

This...this seems like it doesn't have a Nolan-grade hook to get people interested to squash all of the "haters" (it happens...The Shape of Water was not Guillermo del Toro's best work, but it had a decent enough concept that most people barely noticed that the heroes were a disabled woman, a black woman and a gay guy; with an eeeeeeevil white man front and center; it got more laughs as an ode to "fish sex" than it did as "woke");

Point being, I'm a defender of Nolan's work, and even I'm looking at this like I already know it's going to disappoint me. And if he can't convince someone like me, good luck getting people who aren't staunch defenders of his on board.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

See, I don't think it would have been so bad but for the fact that The Odyssey doesn't have a concept behind it that most people are interested in, like a typical Nolan movie might, coupled with (IMO) a lack of crazy good star talent.

Oppenheimer, I think was floated a lot on Cillian Murphy and RDJ. If not for them, it might have shifted the timeline of "Nolan's first real flop" to the left.

Also, I think because prior Nolan movies tended to have innovative or at least different takes than the normal Hollywood movie. Even his takes on Batman when they were poorly thought out (TDKR) seemed more elevated than most movies.

This...this seems like it doesn't have a Nolan-grade hook to get people interested to squash all of the "haters" (it happens...The Shape of Water was not Guillermo del Toro's best work, but it had a decent enough concept that most people barely noticed that the heroes were a disabled woman, a black woman and a gay guy; with an eeeeeeevil white man front and center; it got more laughs as an ode to "fish sex" than it did as "woke");

Point being, I'm a defender of Nolan's work, and even I'm looking at this like I already know it's going to disappoint me. And if he can't convince someone like me, good luck getting people who aren't staunch defenders of his on board.

I never saw Oppenheimer, it seemed like a navel gazing biopic that I had no interest in. I get what you are saying, and you have a point; I personally think the Odyssey is interesting, but to a lot of people, it's that barely remembered book they had to read in high school one time, not one of the greatest epics ever written. I also think the setting and time period doesn't fit whatsoever with Nolan's obsession with dark, gritty, "modern" cinematography.

It's funny you mention Del Toro, since his diversity is exactly why I never saw that movie. I imagine that the casting filtered a lot of people who would have otherwise shit on the film. It's the same reason I did not see Tenet by Nolan.

I am sorry Nolan is falling off since you are a fan. I don't particularly follow individual directors, but I have enjoyed Nolan's past works so it is definitely disappointing that he seems to be completely fumbling this film.

 

[Not A Bunny]

I never saw Oppenheimer, it seemed like a navel gazing biopic that I had no interest in.

It is. However, the non-linear storytelling is very much Nolan. Not trying to sell you, just saying that as daunting as a film as it is, there's very much his fingerprints on it.

It's funny you mention Del Toro, since his diversity is exactly why I never saw that movie.

That's the thing. I only really noticed after I saw it. Nobody who contributed to the movie said anything about it. I was more interested in the way del Toro would tell a love story. I love del Toro more than Nolan because he will tell a story his way, studio be damned. (In TSOW, the timeframe of the story allows it to make sense that three outcasts are on the side of the monster; I think I'd be way less forgiving if it were set in the modern day.)

I am sorry Nolan is falling off since you are a fan. I don't particularly follow individual directors, but I have enjoyed Nolan's past works so it is definitely disappointing that he seems to be completely fumbling this film.

I'm not going to say he's falling off. I'd need more than one movie to say that, but this one just absolutely reeks of either too much Hollywood influence or him forgetting what made his catalog so great in the first place. And everyone is allowed to not always be on.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

It is. However, the non-linear storytelling is very much Nolan. Not trying to sell you, just saying that as daunting as a film as it is, there's very much his fingerprints on it.


That's the thing. I only really noticed after I saw it. Nobody who contributed to the movie said anything about it. I was more interested in the way del Toro would tell a love story. I love del Toro more than Nolan because he will tell a story his way, studio be damned. (In TSOW, the timeframe of the story allows it to make sense that three outcasts are on the side of the monster; I think I'd be way less forgiving if it were set in the modern day.)


I'm not going to say he's falling off. I'd need more than one movie to say that, but this one just absolutely reeks of either too much Hollywood influence or him forgetting what made his catalog so great in the first place. And everyone is allowed to not always be on.

I have written off the entirety of mainstream American entertainment at this point. It would take effectively a miracle to make me consume any of this anymore, but more power to you if you want to watch. Don't let me be the arbiter of what you do with your free time!

Fair enough. I liked Del Taco's old movies, but I have a hard rule of not consuming entertainment with a brown when it should have been a White. Again, I know that a lot of people disagree with that sentiment, but that is the point I am at.

Hey, I would love to be wrong and this movie turns out to be a big hit, but the casting makes me suspicious. Those patterns, they have been recognized. If it turns out to be great, then I hope you and everyone else thoroughly enjoys the film, and if it turns out to be bad, then I hope Nolan takes the L and realizes he has to make movies people actually want to see.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

This...this seems like it doesn't have a Nolan-grade hook to get people interested to squash all of the "haters" (it happens...The Shape of Water was not Guillermo del Toro's best work, but it had a decent enough concept that most people barely noticed that the heroes were a disabled woman, a black woman and a gay guy; with an eeeeeeevil white man front and center; it got more laughs as an ode to "fish sex" than it did as "woke");

Shape of the Water feels a lot like a fable and most of del Toro's work are very much fairy tales and fables, so some inertia helped him there. I did enjoy the story, though. Very twisted "Beauty and the Beast" type of tale.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

I am sorry Nolan is falling off since you are a fan. I don't particularly follow individual directors, but I have enjoyed Nolan's past works so it is definitely disappointing that he seems to be completely fumbling this film.

Is it really falling off when he was an average filmmaker at best? His only claim to being some superior director is his obsession with doing everything practical and using film, but that just makes him an autist. His sound mixing is shit, his Batman movies weren't even Batman movies, and he inspired that uberfag Denise Villanoob and ruined the Daniel Craig era of Bond films.