Nolan's The Odyssey - Potentially could be epic or an epic flop.

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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
And people who like The Odyssey expect actors to look a certain way i.e. not African.
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The hallmark version had Vanessa Williams as Calipso. I think some might not mind that much. Of course, Vanessa Williams is still quite attractive and the role of a Goddess living in an exotic island ain't that much of a stretch for a black actress.

This Travis dude like very anachronistic, even more than Page.
 
It's a big movie and will have big marketing, supposed to release on July 17. Nothing else will be competing in theaters at the time (you got Minions 3 on July 1, and Moana live action on July 10, but those won't really compete as they're for kids and pedophiles). The only other movie releasing on the 17th is some Jonah Hill/Kristen Wiig slop that will probably only be in a few theaters.

So anyone just casually going to a movie is going to see The Odyssey. Unfortunately, the listed budget is $250M so we can assume ~$200M for marketing, which means it needs to make ~$900M to break even. To put that in perspective, if this movie does as well as Oppenheimer did, it literally won't make any money (although they'll bray and crow over the big box office, it won't actually be successful or profitable to anyone except the people who got paid for making it). Nolan's broken $1B with the Batman films (and probably Inception if you adjust for inflation - but that was at his peak and his follow-up to TDK), but if this one grosses less than that then it's not an actual success.

Honestly, I'm looking at this like Superman - you got a director that has goodwill amongst normies (even more so than Gunn), but it's a movie no one is really interested in outright - no one was really wanting a new Odyssey movie. I mean no one was against it, but it's also something that's just been done well too many times for anyone to really give a shit about. And I'm very skeptical that it will actually be good in a way that will get people going the second and third weeks. Like I highly doubt anyone's going to go "duuuude, you gotta go see that new Odyssey movie, it was hell awesome." I think it's going to be more "Hey I saw that Odyssey movie last weekend" "Oh yeah? How was it?" "Enh."

I'm looking at maybe capping out at $800M - with a lot of that coming from outside the US, where the net to the studio is much less. Which, believe me they'll scream from the high heavens that it's an awesome success, but if you do the math it just isn't.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
The hallmark version had Vanessa Williams as Calipso. I think some might not mind that much. Of course, Vanessa Williams is still quite attractive and the role of a Goddess living in an exotic island ain't that much of a stretch for a black actress.

This Travis dude like very anachronistic, even more than Page.
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Vanessa Williams is an ugly, fat hag.
 
GlupShitto said:
Apparently Travis Scott is going to be in this. Full of niggers and trannies. Nolan should've died in 2010.
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Of all the DEI hires, why Travis Scott? Cause he wrote a song for him in Tenet?

Either he pidgeonholed himself and bowed down to the wokesters at Universal or he’s going to do the most subversive thing he’s done since Memento.

Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Tenet didn't do so well. This movie looks like that kind of failure.
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To be fair, Nolan could very easily blame the pandemic for that.
 
Your Starter for 10 said:
So anyone just casually going to a movie is going to see The Odyssey. Unfortunately, the listed budget is $250M so we can assume ~$200M for marketing, which means it needs to make ~$900M to break even.
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Eh, to break even would be $450-500 million mathematically speaking. That being said, big budget movies are expected to make $1 billion to justify its existence because shareholders expect big wins, not small ones.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Eh, to break even would be $450-500 million mathematically speaking. That being said, big budget movies are expected to make $1 billion to justify its existence because shareholders expect big wins, not small ones.
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It needs over $1.1 billion for the breakeven point if it has a marketing budget similar to Nolan's past 'big' films. You will see this film in every single advertisement space possible at it gets closer to release. Billboards, trailers, television commercials, banners, astroturfing throughout social media, front page posts on all social media sites and blogs, tons of streamers talking the film up after seeing a preview. This is already being talked up in movie industry press as being an expected billion dollar hit at the box office.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Eh, to break even would be $450-500 million mathematically speaking. That being said, big budget movies are expected to make $1 billion to justify its existence because shareholders expect big wins, not small ones.
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It would need to net that much. But there's no real reporting for nets on movies. All sources report gross, and on US ticket sales, studios only get 50% of the gross (the actual theaters get the other 50%). On non-US ticket sales it's always lower, usually around 40%, down to ~25% on ticket sales in China.

It's why Superman was an abject failure at $600M. Even if we accept the reported budget (which is bullshit, but let's go with it), it grossed $350M domestic (so it nets $175M) and $260M outside of the US (netting at best, 40% of that, or about $110M), meaning the movie nets only $285M against a (reported) $450M budget - it literally lost $165M. Now some of this could be made up with merchandise and streaming gains or whatever, but I really can't see that being more than a pittance.

And The Odyssey looks to be about equivalent budget wise (possibly slightly higher marketing budget than Superman), and I think it will take in a lot more in theaters. But I still don't think it will take in enough to actually be profitable.
 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Eh, to break even would be $450-500 million mathematically speaking. That being said, big budget movies are expected to make $1 billion to justify its existence because shareholders expect big wins, not small ones.
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Movie theatres take in a cut too. It depends in the market and if the movie is making money on legs or not. But rule of thumb is theatre takes half of the ticket sales.

This isnt exactly true because overseas markets take way more than half. China is said to 70 percent. Also its usually negotiated rates, where opening weekend the studio gets more and the theatre gets bigger cuts aftwords to incentize keeping the movie on screens longer. What I have heard was when Disney/Marvel was at its peak and studios got 60ish percent of opening weekend (covid stopped this and its lower now).

This actually hurts movies like this. Nolan movies usually have legs, and make money over a period of time. Which means higher cut goes to the theatre.
 
Director Christopher Nolan described Odysseus as complicated, "an amazing strategist, [and] a very wily person", and was interested in his cleverness and inventiveness, particularly citing Odysseus's characterization in the 2017 translation of the Odyssey by British-American classicist Emily Wilson.[5]
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Fucking pass.

Your Starter for 10 said:
You can tell it's Nolan because you can barely understand what anyone is saying.
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And because you can barely see anything.

This is not salvageable. You could change out the entirety of the cast and it would still be rotten to the core.
 
No-Eyed Square Guy said:
...?

There must be two actresses with that name, like there are two directors named Christopher Nolan, the good one who made Memento and the not-even-hack who made everything else.
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FTR, I meant this one:

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This is from Hallmark's The Odyssey.

The other Vanessa Williams is mostly known for her short role in Melrose Place. This is her (the black one) as she looks today and she's fine at 60-something.

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Tasty Tatty said:
The hallmark version had Vanessa Williams as Calipso. I think some might not mind that much. Of course, Vanessa Williams is still quite attractive and the role of a Goddess living in an exotic island ain't that much of a stretch for a black actress.

This Travis dude like very anachronistic, even more than Page.
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Vanessa Williams was Miss America, the award-winning singer from Pocahontas, and had just co-starred in Eraser. She was an American sweetheart and one of the most beautiful women in Hollywood when she appeared in that based version. It was also a different time where having a black person in your movie wasn't a political statement to stick it to the chuds. "See this, black son of a bitch, FASCIST? He's only in here because of DEI and it must burn your racist ass!"
Not A Bunny said:
He could, but - and I'm a staunch defender of Tenet - it's easily one of the worst movies he's made in terms of appealing to normies, because it's so pretentiously thinky.
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Cut that god awful subplot with the WNBA player and it's a lot more bearable.
Oilspill Battery said:
This movie about ancient greece and greek culture and history has more africans in it than greeks.
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Nolan went full Vavra. I guarantee you he either did it on purpose to compensate for people thinking his movies are too white, or he did it for the funding.
dick brain said:
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Fucking pass.


And because you can barely see anything.

This is not salvageable. You could change out the entirety of the cast and it would still be rotten to the core.
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It's amazing how each translation gets shorter. A century from now it'll just be a single paragraph.
 
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