power goes out in the building hosting the servers and everyone just spontaneously wakes up in real world let's go baybeeee
I havent seen this new thing yet but the "THE FUNNY character is EEEEEVIL NOW AND THEN DIE" is an odd choice that seems solely to pay service to people that wanted it to be a copy of I have no mouth instead of a wacky comedy kinda inspired by it so you just have guys having funny convos but then BE SAD BE SCARED BE SAD BE SCARE BAD MAN BAD MAN AAA SCARY BAD MAN SCARY BAD MAN SMILE ANGRY OH NO HE DO THE SCOOBY DOO RED HERRING SMILE SCARY big bear BIG BEAR CHASE ME
And this is an improvement. The first two episodes Jax was annoying as fuck. Him and Gangle being a whiny wet blanket all the time. Reining them in was a good thing.
Retarded question. But what the fuck is wrong with the fanbase?
Before watching the show, I knew it by reputation and of hearing of drama in passing. Having watched it, I have no idea why-
The show runner getting shit on for not confirming ships. The thing is, nothing in the show implies romance or fucking.
The show runner getting harassed for saying Pomni and Jax are the main leads, not Ragatha.
Sane with the anti-fans saying the show being wall to wall troon-shit. I didn't see any of that. Maybe if you're looking for it, Zoobles disappointment with her body fits, but it's really stretch to say the whole show is that. The current year therapy talk is something I don't like, but given the situation some of that makes sense.
One point I’ve been hearing lately is that filler has a purpose and these 8-episode-long seasons hurt the story because it pushes the plot and doesn’t let us get to know the characters… Apparently there’s not much to the characters to begin with. Don’t get me wrong, you can have character-driven work with plots that progress, but they have to be integrated. They must work together, or you get situations wherein you can skip most of it and be just fine.
Here's a theory: everyone complaining about pacing is a retard baby who can't handle delayed gratification.
It's what, 9 episodes? If you came in at the end you'd just watch them all in an afternoon and have nothing to whine about.
It's like people have never watched/read an ongoing series before. You can't judge that shit until it's over. Plenty of (actually good; jury's out on this one) things are fucking torturous slogs if you're waiting on them weekly/monthly/whatever but perfectly fine if you're able to binge them. That's normal. It's really boring to read over and over when you know there's a coinflip chance everyone will have a completely different opinion in a couple of months.
It's like Stockholm Syndrome with people, but instead of kidnappers they start relating and consooming the crap of depraved people who undeservably took over the media with a severe lack of talent compared to their predecessors.
Holy shit, Gooseworx spent so much time trying to pwn the lore theorists I started wondering if we’d ever get real answers about the circus. Episode 7 really only existed for GLITCH to shovel merch at the retards (I should know, I’m one of the retards who bought it) and laugh at semi-intelligent fans begging for pay-off after the past 2 years. Episode 8 is miles better than what we got 3 months ago… BUT I still have some gripes.
I’m probably the contrarian here but I actually dislike the villain/AM Caine direction. He was more compelling to me as an antagonist who never intended to hurt anyone, but can’t help himself. He’s built to follow a directive to entertain humans (I suppose that’s somewhat non-canon now though) without living human experiences. He’s fundamentally unequipped to do the only thing he’s designed to do even though he’s desperate to please. So he overcompensates. All of that made him likeable despite his ignorance to the harm he was causing. I knew Episode 7 was implying he had some skeletons in his closet, but his current villainy is so extreme it feels like straight-up character assassination to me.
Some of the episode also felt a bit too convenient. Caine has all-seeing eyes, but that ability is basically ignored here, even though it mattered in earlier episodes. Shouldn’t he be able to notice the humans planning against him? The pilot showed he isn’t always paying attention, but in a situation where he’s actively spiraling and trying to control them, it’s weird that he wouldn’t use that ability to keep tabs on everyone. The same thing happens with Kinger later on. Caine notices he’s missing, but doesn’t just teleport him back like he’s done plenty of times before. That’s especially odd considering Kinger is the only person Caine sees as an actual threat to his/the circus’ existence.
Before he unexpectedly died, the plan seemed to just be that Caine needs to be “fixed,” even after he spent several days actively torturing them. None of the humans even really liked him that much to begin with so I was surprised they even wanted him back at all. If they did fix him, nothing would stop him from snapping again, and they’ve already seen what he’s capable of. Now instead of wondering IF Caine will do something if they do something he dislikes, it’s a matter of WHEN and HOW.
So like, do they “fix” him to avoid endless stagnation with adventures, even knowing they’d be walking on eggshells with him 24/7 and he can snap again at any time? Or do they delete him and risk eventually going insane in an unchanging existence? Because if the theme is really about finding meaning in a stagnant life, then that decision should carry a lot more weight than the show is currently giving it.
What makes this more frustrating is that the groundwork for this conflict is already there, it’s just not mentioned. Zooble openly resents Caine and his adventures and constantly begs him to get a clue or fuck off. Pomni outright says it feels like he wants her to suffer during her little possession plot. The show has already established these two characters view him as their tormentor, and they hate his adventures. Meanwhile, characters like Jax seem to need the adventures to cope with daily living there, so I think this debate is more interesting compared to Ep 7 with Abel’s very obviously fake button.
Anyways, Episode 8 wasn’t the best episode, but it’s moving the plot forward so that already elevates it above most. Unfortunately, the new merch for this episode is really ugly. It looks like they have Queenie set as the secret rare for their Animiniz set, which feels like a pretty big fuck you to those collectors. But hey, anything for the money.
I loved it. I disliked that Jax got off the hook for hitting the button, thought Gangle’s nightmare sequence was weak, and felt the “God” stuff was heavy-handed… but these are nitpicks. I was delighted by Caine’s meltdown in his office and each scene after that delivered. I yelled “yes” at the screen and excitedly yapped about it to an IRL friend who got me into the show. I was extremely satisfied and think this might be the best episode in the series.
It's funny, these types tend to be very uppity about what's "actual" autism or not, as if "autism" is some badge of honor. I remember seeing some "Fake autism vs. real autism" post, and the "fake" autism was shit that someone could only like if they were autistic (or schizophrenic), like adults playing Roblox or flapping their hands to pretty colors. And the "REAL" autism was math, Warhammer, and Agartha.
Oddly enough, the cope you’re describing matches Caine’s crash out in this episode. Autistics who feel bad about their disability may try to cope that “autism is [their] superpower”. There’s some truth to that, in the sense that autistics are able to achieve great things because of their differences. It’s like schizophrenics and recognizing government corruption or doing mathematics. Their brains work differently, and so there are tradeoffs. Unfortunately, some spergs are so bitter, unhappy, and resentful that they need to cope and sneed that normies are stupid NPCs.
In a similar vein, I’ve seen spergs get mad that someone cool or physically attractive shares their mental disorder. As in, I’ve literally met autistics who said someone else couldn’t be autistic (despite their diagnosis) because they were “too hot to be autistic”. It was like they had a mental picture of autistics as smart but ugly and seeing a smart sperg with a symmetrical face oblierated their self-esteem. It’s very much like how Caine has to cope and seethe about being better / stronger / more original / more moral than the “spoiled” humans. Instead of just accepting that some people are good at some things and not others, or that sentient life has worth even if it doesn’t produce tangible benefits… they just seethe.
It’s all just variations on the fox and the not-so-sour grapes story. “I have a hard time fitting in and this makes me sad, so people who fit in must actually be worthless NPCs”. “These humans keep shitting on my adventures so they must be freaks and I must be God”. Basically, Caine is an autistic lolcow (horrorcow?) and Kinger is a schizoposting chad with terminal jungle fever.
HE’S AI!
HE’S A BAD HOST!
HE SUCKS AT MAKING ADVENTURES!
HE’S GONE MAD WITH POWER!
HE’S A FAILURE!
[Zooble hits a triangle prestissimo]
I think what people need to understand is that, at risk of sounding gay as fuck, autism is spectrum. Furthermore, there is a lot of diversity amongst spergs themselves - for example, some spergs are completely retarded and others are extremely intelligent. They’re both spergs in the sense they both have repetitive behaviours, compulsive obsessions, bad social skills, sensory sensitivity, and hyperfixations. However, one is going to hyperfixate on, I don’t know, children’s cartoons from the ‘80s and the other will become a computer science professor at a major university.
There are core similarities that make both spergs, but the differences in other areas of life cause the spergery to manifest differently. Someone else in the thread remarked upon “feminine” and “masculine” autism, and that’s a good example of how other characteristics change the nature of the disorder - male and female spergs do often behave differently. I think some spergs get angry at what they perceive to be “lesser” hyperfixations and then conclude that the other sperg responsible for said hyperfixation is actually a big fat phony. It’s the sort of black-and-white thinking that’s actually typical of spergs, as annoying as normie comments about “spectrums” may be.
I loved it. I disliked that Jax got off the hook for hitting the button, thought Gangle’s nightmare sequence was weak, and felt the “God” stuff was heavy-handed… but these are nitpicks. I was delighted by Caine’s meltdown in his office and each scene after that delivered. I yelled “yes” at the screen and excitedly yapped about it to an IRL friend who got me into the show. I was extremely satisfied and think this might be the best episode in the series.
Oddly enough, the cope you’re describing matches Caine’s crash out in this episode. Autistics who feel bad about their disability may try to cope that “autism is [their] superpower”. There’s some truth to that, in the sense that autistics are able to achieve great things because of their differences. It’s like schizophrenics and recognizing government corruption or mathematics. Their brains work differently, and so there are tradeoffs. Unfortunately, some spergs are so bitter, unhappy, and resentful that they need to cope and sneed that normies are stupid NPCs.
In a similar vein, I’ve seen spergs get mad that someone cool or physically attractive shares their mental disorder. As in, I’ve literally met autistics who said someone else couldn’t be autistic (despite their diagnosis) because they were “too hot to be autistic”. It was like they had a mental picture of autistics as smart but ugly and seeing a smart sperg with a symmetrical face oblierated their self-esteem. It’s very much like how Caine has to cope and seethe about being better / stronger / more original / more moral than the “spoiled” humans. Instead of just accepting that some people are good at some things and not others, or that sentient life has worth even if it doesn’t produce tangible benefits… they just seethe.
It’s all just variations on the fox and the not-so-sour grapes story. “I have a hard time fitting in and this makes me sad, so people who fit in must actually be worthless NPCs”. “These humans keep shitting on my adventures so they must be freaks and I must be God”. Basically, Caine is a lolcow.
Jax's breakdown because 'oh god this is all real" in what people assume is "I'm not a cartoon character and I've been treating other people like complete shit to the point of abstraction" would be a shitty twist. I'm not going to accept anything short of him killing his whole family in a car crash where he was driving because all his circus friends immediately forgave him for trapping them there forever. So what if it's real, you have zero fucking consequences for the things that you do.
Here's a theory: everyone complaining about pacing is a retard baby who can't handle delayed gratification.
It's what, 9 episodes? If you came in at the end you'd just watch them all in an afternoon and have nothing to whine about.
It's like people have never watched/read an ongoing series before. You can't judge that shit until it's over. Plenty of (actually good; jury's out on this one) things are fucking torturous slogs if you're waiting on them weekly/monthly/whatever but perfectly fine if you're able to binge them. That's normal. It's really boring to read over and over when you know there's a coinflip chance everyone will have a completely different opinion in a couple of months.
Lol, anyone before 2010. Know what kind of shit you wanna spin, bucko, and it ain't gonna work. The tranny faggot animators of today do not deserve the spot they have, that's an objective fact. No arguing and "source?" autism is going to change that.
The criticism was so very mild, someone was irritated that the show presented itself as an ensemble cast then spent the majority of the time with Jax and Pomni, even in episodes Goose said would focus on other characters more. Ragatha was just the biggest example. Goose went to a fan space and saw this one post with one valid criticism, which was worded SO carefully to avoid offending anyone, then immediately lost his mind and deleted his reddit account and had a tantrum everywhere else. There was no harassment or death threats or even a "kys," it was just Goose being a crybaby bitch who can't handle other people not sucking his gock for five minutes.
Lol, anyone before 2010. Know what kind of shit you wanna spin, bucko, and it ain't gonna work. The tranny faggot animators of today do not deserve the spot they have, that's an objective fact. No arguing and "source?" autism is going to change that.
More I was honestly asking a question, but let's follow that thread of "anyone before 2010". Then who should be making media after 2010 and as the years continue on after that?
No trannies, no fag hags, no faggots in creative spaces.
Edit: you are a tard who wants me to derail the thread by nitpick questioning. Said nitpicking questioning is irrelevant and you ask this only to defend your faggot creators like Goose. If you really want to talk about this, dm me or whatever.
>host os looks vaguely windows98-y
>uses cmd, the windows command line
>lots of custom scripts and tooling involved
>kinger runs systemctl, a systemd (linux init) command
>uses grep to find "ai-location" and it actually works geg
>caine and bubble are written in common lisp
>user files and graphical(?) paraphernalia engine are generic .dat files
>kinger tries to use gdb (GNU General Debugger) on the Common Lisp Interpreter via "/usr/bin/gdb /usr/local/bin/clisp 1337"
>kinger tries to chmod 000 to purge all user permissions from caine-core.lisp
>then tries to delete the environment/graphics/rendering(?) engine
>prints an error indicating that manual "torment injection" is not possible, and has to be "100% accidental"
>kinger writes a daemon to do it instead
>fails
>tries to initiate a rollback
>system "interprets" this as initiating deletion of faulty current AI
>kinger tries to do torment_injection again by running a script called ./Switcheroo_reality(?)
>accidentally says Y to "Do you want to delete caine?" prompt
>runs ./abort rollback --depth=1 --force --protocol G WVJ
>then ^C to cancel
>fails
Love seeing vaguely somewhat kinda sorta accurate Lin/dows in media. Also GG to Goose for managing to sneak in computer vore this time around, into the first minute of the episode, no less. Well played.
It actually used to be really common to ssh or otherwise invoke a Unix system on a 95/98 system, especially for work. The client/server mainframe-centric model hasn't completely dissolved in the 90's, so it was completely normal to log into a mainframe running Unix with its Unix programs from a Windows machine. That's what X.Org's main advantage was (and still is), that it can easily project windows onto other systems. This isn't it, but it's close. He could've been using cmd to ssh into a Unix terminal, but then the rest is confused. systemctl is an absolute anachronism and shouldn't have been present even if it were purely dream-like hallucination. Neither would merely deleting a file stop it from running as, unlike in Windows, on Unix programs are allowed to keep their own file pointers for as long as they are running, but that one's a fine narrative shorthand.
Although I like the latter half of the episode because shit actually happened, this is still a case of "took 6 episodes to rub two braincells together and have a thought". The third episode established Kinger's whole thing, and it took this long to act on it? The series pacing is nonexistent, and most of the episodes didn't even establish any real character. You could easily watch episode 1, 3, 8 and (maybe) 9 to not only get the entire plot, but also all the characterization. Even this episode had more of the therapy bullshit that made the previous episodes such a pain, except now it was extra forced, and I'm not sure it was intentional. Is it like some kind of "WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER" mantra that has to be repeated in every episode or the rest of the episode can't happen? Does Goose think that's character development? All the mandatory therapy time is a massive detriment to the series, to the point where none of the torture scenes hit as much as they should, especially because they exhibit how unvaried the characters really are – most of the torture subjects are "I fear ostracization" despite the first part of the episode being said "WE'VE GOT EACHOTHER" chanting, though shoutouts to Zooble's tranny torture being forced to look at yourself and Pomni wanting to bang the alligator.
Next episode will probably have the whole "bubble isn't a complete retard and was the other AI all along" reveal despite not doing anything or being anything but a throwaway side-character for 7 episodes until, suddenly, the Goose-voiced character now has agency? The entire plot got suspended for multiple episodes purely because the characters have the pattern recognition of mayflies.
It would have been funnier if after deleting caine the circus imploded in on itself and everyone died and there was no 9th episode (that's what I was expecting)
I feel like this is a decent proof that Caine is not THE circus as was believed before. Sure, he was probably deeply connected to it, but if removing him doesn't make the entire thing deconstruct completely, then something else must still hold it in place. Really hope that Caine = Abel doesn't turn out to be true
How many of those had a 3-month gap between episodes?
There were far more series that didn't trust the audience to retain information for a whole season, right up until The Wire or whatever. Maybe they were more right than we thought since this "the pacing is bad" shit obviously translates to "I'm angry that I have to wait for plot developments in my tranny clown cartoon".
The actual equivalent is probably season cliffhangers, which genuinely did often piss people off at the time, but which you never notice when you watch back the shows today.
But I understand why people got invested in Star Trek; why people are able to get buttmad about zoomer fotm youtube shit is beyond me.
How many of those had a 3-month gap between episodes?
There were far more series that didn't trust the audience to retain information for a whole season, right up until The Wire or whatever. Maybe they were more right than we thought since this "the pacing is bad" shit obviously translates to "I'm angry that I have to wait for plot developments in my tranny clown cartoon".
The actual equivalent is probably season cliffhangers, which genuinely did often piss people off at the time, but which you never notice when you watch back the shows today.
But I understand why people got invested in Star Trek; why people are able to get buttmad about zoomer fotm youtube shit is beyond me.
The 3-month gap makes weak pacing worse, not better. If an episode wastes time, if a series wastes time, people are going to notice and talk about it. Don’t shoot the messenger, and stop projecting.
I'm not defending goose, I'm sincerely asking the thread a question; when does having characters talk cross the line into therapy? I've seen a handful of shows be accused of having therapy shit, and while I generally agree with the accusations, I just want to "raise my consciousness" on it a little. There has to be a way to have characters communicate and have growth as people without it being labeled "therapy" (unless it's just a thought-terminating mantra and all we want are shonen action shows, which okay, but if that's the case I'd like to know.)
I'm not defending goose, I'm sincerely asking the thread a question; when does having characters talk cross the line into therapy? I've seen a handful of shows be accused of having therapy shit, and while I generally agree with the accusations, I just want to "raise my consciousness" on it a little. There has to be a way to have characters communicate and have growth as people without it being labeled "therapy" (unless it's just a thought-terminating mantra and all we want are shonen action shows, which okay, but if that's the case I'd like to know.)
When they all sit down and start going shot-reverse-shot over their feelings.
The only episodes without therapy framing are the pilot and 7. The literal Couch appears at least 3 times. A good example of non-therapy character communication is in 6 with Jax trying to make Pomni blow his brains out. Unlike the therapy shots, it isn't two friends getting to know eachother's feelings, it's a domestic screaming match.
