Law Migrant Caravan sues the US - Alleges violation of constitutional rights

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A dozen migrants traveling by foot from Honduras to the U.S. to seek asylum filed a class-action lawsuit Thursday against President Trump, the Department of Homeland Security and others, claiming a violation of their due process under the Fifth Amendment.

The Fifth Amendment states that, "no person… shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

A recent PBS report cited former Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, who ruled in 1993 case that "it is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law in a deportation proceeding."

Twelve Honduran nationals, including six children, are listed as plaintiffs in the lawsuit. The suit, which was filed Thursday in the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., said it is widely known that Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador are “undergoing a well-documented human rights crisis.” The lawsuit also claims that the plaintiffs’ right to the Administrative Procedures Act and the Declaratory Judgement Act were being infringed upon.

The Central American migrant caravan now numbers approximately 4,000 people, down from a high of 7,200.

The lawsuit points to Trump's claim that he will prevent the caravan from entering the U.S. It claims that the president cannot stop asylum-seekers by employing the military -- when they have a fair claim. The suit criticized the president's alleged attempt at stoking "fear and hysteria" by claiming that criminals and gang members have joined the caravan.

The suit cited a Trump interview with Fox News’ Laura Ingraham, where the president laid out plans to build tent cities to house migrants. The suit questioned the functionality of such a project, and asked if these living quarters would qualify under the Flores Agreement of 1997. The agreement protects asylum-seekers’ rights and limits how long minors can be held.

Earlier this summer, a federal judge in California rejected a request by the administration to modify Flores to allow for longer family detention. Administration officials say they have the authority to terminate the agreement, but that is likely to be tested in court.

The White House, Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security -- which were all named as defendants -- did not immediately respond to Fox News' request for comment.

Trump announced in a lengthy speech at the White House on Thursday afternoon that in response to what he called the "crisis at our southern border" and a surge of fraudulent asylum claims in recent years, his administration will soon require asylum-seekers to "lawfully present themselves" at a port of entry.

Asylum claims made by migrants caught crossing the border illegally would seemingly be summarily denied under Trump's proposal.

The asylum clause of the Immigration and Nationality Act says that anyone who arrives to the U.S. may apply for asylum based on a well-founded fear of persecution, and Trump's decision was expected to prompt immediate federal court challenges.

Nexus Services Inc. is funding the lawsuits through a civil rights law firm called Nexus Derechos Humanos (Human Rights) Attorneys Inc.

"Federal law enables migrants to apply for asylum in the United States. President Trump and his administration have used ‘increased enforcement,’ like separating families and lengthening detention to violate migrant rights," Mike Donovan, president of Nexus Services, said in the release.

There is another legal issue at stake, according to the lawsuit. The U.S. cannot send troops into Mexico to cut off the caravan from crossing the border, it said. Even with the National Guard at the border, once an immigrant indicates an intention to apply for asylum, the suit maintained the process has begun.

Immigrants who are seeking asylum must be referred for a “credible fear interview,” for which an asylum officer would determine if the immigrant has a “credible fear of persecution,” the lawsuit said. If the officer makes that determination, then there is a significant chance for the asylum-seeker to be granted asylum, according to the suit.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mi...ment-claim-violation-of-constitutional-rights

Although this is an obvious PR tactic / delay stunt, I'm not sure how this will pass scrutiny at all- I don't see how (((migrants))) who are not in the country but who are actively attempting to enter without permission possibly have standing to sue on fifth amendment grounds. While I would disagree with the principle (but not the process) if they were already here, I don't see the logic in filing this until then.

The article itself is not bad. Some interesting points-

1) the caravan is down from 7200 to 4000. The cynic in me says they found a way here already, but who knows.

2) one of the points of their argument is that Trump's "tent cities" are inhumane. It references the Flores agreement of 1997, which lays out migrant rights and lengths of detention.

3) they argue the military cannot enter Mexico to stop the caravan and once in the US the migrants will be immediately applying for asylum.

While compared to total numbers coming across the border the "caravan" might be a drop in the bucket, there sure is a lot of money behind making a big show out of this thing.
 
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Someone's probably said it but no standing.

They don't have the right to a hearing before deportation because they're in no danger of deportation unless they do something like illegally entering the country, which they also have no right to do.

Having no right that has been violated, they lack standing to challenge the denial of a right they don't even have and won't unless they break the law first.

Their remedy is to present themselves at a border checkpoint and lawfully request whatever the fuck it is they think they're entitled to. Only upon that being denied and appealed through the administrative process would they have any judicially cognizable rights whatsoever.

In short, they can fuck right off back to where they came from.
I don’t think the issue is deportation but their ability to apply for asylum which Trump says he will prevent (and their attempts to enter illegally).

Has this been kicked out of the courts yet?
 
I don’t think the issue is deportation but their ability to apply for asylum which Trump says he will prevent (and their attempts to enter illegally).

Has this been kicked out of the courts yet?

It doesn't even get to the courts until they exhaust any administrative remedies they may have.
 
Sorry but what conflict?

We have a similar thing in the UK. Basically asylum seekers should never be able to get here because where is the war in France? Even the cucked BBC refers to the people flocking from Africa and the middle East as 'migrants' because this truth is undeniable.

I know Mexico is a shithole but there's clearly no war going on there.
 
We have a similar thing in the UK. Basically asylum seekers should never be able to get here because where is the war in France? Even the cucked BBC refers to the people flocking from Africa and the middle East as 'migrants' because this truth is undeniable.

I know Mexico is a shithole but there's clearly no war going on there.
They’re not coming from Mexico, they’re coming from farther south such as Honduras and Guatemala. There’s no war there, just shitty governments and drug gangs which aren’t justifications for asylum.
 
They’re not coming from Mexico, they’re coming from farther south such as Honduras and Guatemala. There’s no war there, just shitty governments and drug gangs which aren’t justifications for asylum.

No I get that. In the same way Nigerians and Pakistanis aren't coming to the UK from France. They could apply for asylum in France but they'd rather live in the UK. Same deal with this caravan. My point is that they should never be referred to as asylum seekers once they've been offered asylum in a safe country and turned it down. Hopefully most Americans arent dumb enough to be fooled by this CNN rebranding.
 
Sorry but what conflict?



Oh so they’re just poor, want to leach off the wealthiest country in the world and have no claims for asylum...got it.

https://www.oxfamamerica.org/explor...s-about-the-mass-exodus-from-central-america/

Their lives suck. Their countries suck. I get that, and I genuinely do feel terrible for all the people trapped in shithole countries. But immigration is not and will never be a valid solution. We can’t just let billions of poor people migrate to wealthy countries; we don’t have the resources, infrastructure, etc to support them. It would be chaos and anarchy and lead to a lot of suffering. The best- and hardest- solution is to improve conditions in their home countries. That’s why I support development projects and such carried out by first world countries. We would certainly benefit from that more than we currently benefit from useless wars in the Middle East.
 
Imo take all the immigrants but move them to coastal rich white neighborhoods. Hollywood and tech giants love em's so much, so how about a few tent cities in their hoods? Win win.
 
Imo take all the immigrants but move them to coastal rich white neighborhoods. Hollywood and tech giants love em's so much, so how about a few tent cities in their hoods? Win win.

We can seize Beverly Hills and turn it into housing. If the people currently living in those houses don't like sharing their spaces, they can move out.
 
Imo take all the immigrants but move them to coastal rich white neighborhoods. Hollywood and tech giants love em's so much, so how about a few tent cities in their hoods? Win win.
What makes you think their staff isn’t composed of mostly illegal immigrants from South America? Why do you think they want more cheap house keepers, gardeners, and nannies?
 
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https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1062948347030499334 (http://archive.is/MS82J)

I'm confused by the phrasing that Fox News had zero coverage on election day. I watched the video and it said they hadn't covered the caravan since the election, but still showed a graphic that said "zero coverage on election day".

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Is MSNBC too dumb to understand English, or is this some sort of trick?
 
I wish Trump would tweet something to the effect of telling all these fuckers who want them in the country to house them in their fancy mansions. It'd be the perfect put up or shut up thing. Of course these fuckers need to wear an anklet bracelet and be fingerprinted and have DNA samples taken so they can be tracked and identified when they commit crimes that illegals are bound to commit.
 
Their lives suck. Their countries suck. I get that, and I genuinely do feel terrible for all the people trapped in shithole countries. But immigration is not and will never be a valid solution. We can’t just let billions of poor people migrate to wealthy countries; we don’t have the resources, infrastructure, etc to support them. It would be chaos and anarchy and lead to a lot of suffering. The best- and hardest- solution is to improve conditions in their home countries. That’s why I support development projects and such carried out by first world countries. We would certainly benefit from that more than we currently benefit from useless wars in the Middle East.
We should spend the money to make sure our own kids aren't starving because after decades of spending billions in shithole countries, they're still shitholes because they're populated by retarded shitheads. For every one who's willing to put in the work, how many members of their community swarm around to leech off of them? How many of the richest and brightest flee their home countries to the West? How many trillions are enough when we have our own problems?

The kikes can fight their own wars too for that matter.
 
We should spend the money to make sure our own kids aren't starving
This is the most aggravating part. These people call you a monster if you don't want to invite people from halfway around the planet for handouts, but at the same time they won't lift a finger to help homeless people who live on the same street.
 
This is the most aggravating part. These people call you a monster if you don't want to invite people from halfway around the planet for handouts, but at the same time they won't lift a finger to help homeless people who live on the same street.
It's what annoys me about large charities as well. The ones that get the most money are the ones who waste the most on slick marketing and scummy upper management who know how to win the PR game. Do they even spend money in your community? Find out whether you local foodbank/animal shelter/veterans program/whatever is full of shitheads or not and donate to them for fucks sake. Ten to one they need it.
 
Do they even spend money in your community? Find out whether you local foodbank/animal shelter/veterans program/whatever is full of shitheads or not and donate to them for fucks sake. Ten to one they need it.

You should also do this when it's a disaster somewhere else. Don't donate to these shitty carpetbagging charities that jump on every new disaster and don't do shit. Donate to locals who are already in the community. Food banks are always good.

Incidentally these migrant criminals rejected donations of food, calling it "pig food," and threw it at the locals. These people are fucking degenerates and need to go home.

I can't wait for the supreme court to rule that non-citizens have no rights over this.

It won't hit the Supreme Court because it's a no-brainer.
 
I never underestimate the 9th Circuit's ability to ignore the Constitution.

It's not in the 9th. It's in the D.C. Circuit, in the D.C. District. That's where the defendants are.
 
You should also do this when it's a disaster somewhere else. Don't donate to these shitty carpetbagging charities that jump on every new disaster and don't do shit. Donate to locals who are already in the community. Food banks are always good.

Food banks can be a double-edged sword. In my city, they built a massive food bank that partnered up with Fed Ex to distribute lots of free food very efficiently. The result? The "community organizers" who were before crying about "food insecurity", are now crying about "food deserts" because all of the grocery stores in the hoods are closing. Why are they closing? Turns out, in a capitalist system, it's very hard for a grocery store that charges money for food to compete with the free food that's being handed out by the food banks.
 
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