Law Migrant Caravan sues the US - Alleges violation of constitutional rights

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A dozen migrants traveling by foot from Honduras to the U.S. to seek asylum filed a class-action lawsuit Thursday against President Trump, the Department of Homeland Security and others, claiming a violation of their due process under the Fifth Amendment.

The Fifth Amendment states that, "no person… shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

A recent PBS report cited former Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, who ruled in 1993 case that "it is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law in a deportation proceeding."

Twelve Honduran nationals, including six children, are listed as plaintiffs in the lawsuit. The suit, which was filed Thursday in the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., said it is widely known that Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador are “undergoing a well-documented human rights crisis.” The lawsuit also claims that the plaintiffs’ right to the Administrative Procedures Act and the Declaratory Judgement Act were being infringed upon.

The Central American migrant caravan now numbers approximately 4,000 people, down from a high of 7,200.

The lawsuit points to Trump's claim that he will prevent the caravan from entering the U.S. It claims that the president cannot stop asylum-seekers by employing the military -- when they have a fair claim. The suit criticized the president's alleged attempt at stoking "fear and hysteria" by claiming that criminals and gang members have joined the caravan.

The suit cited a Trump interview with Fox News’ Laura Ingraham, where the president laid out plans to build tent cities to house migrants. The suit questioned the functionality of such a project, and asked if these living quarters would qualify under the Flores Agreement of 1997. The agreement protects asylum-seekers’ rights and limits how long minors can be held.

Earlier this summer, a federal judge in California rejected a request by the administration to modify Flores to allow for longer family detention. Administration officials say they have the authority to terminate the agreement, but that is likely to be tested in court.

The White House, Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security -- which were all named as defendants -- did not immediately respond to Fox News' request for comment.

Trump announced in a lengthy speech at the White House on Thursday afternoon that in response to what he called the "crisis at our southern border" and a surge of fraudulent asylum claims in recent years, his administration will soon require asylum-seekers to "lawfully present themselves" at a port of entry.

Asylum claims made by migrants caught crossing the border illegally would seemingly be summarily denied under Trump's proposal.

The asylum clause of the Immigration and Nationality Act says that anyone who arrives to the U.S. may apply for asylum based on a well-founded fear of persecution, and Trump's decision was expected to prompt immediate federal court challenges.

Nexus Services Inc. is funding the lawsuits through a civil rights law firm called Nexus Derechos Humanos (Human Rights) Attorneys Inc.

"Federal law enables migrants to apply for asylum in the United States. President Trump and his administration have used ‘increased enforcement,’ like separating families and lengthening detention to violate migrant rights," Mike Donovan, president of Nexus Services, said in the release.

There is another legal issue at stake, according to the lawsuit. The U.S. cannot send troops into Mexico to cut off the caravan from crossing the border, it said. Even with the National Guard at the border, once an immigrant indicates an intention to apply for asylum, the suit maintained the process has begun.

Immigrants who are seeking asylum must be referred for a “credible fear interview,” for which an asylum officer would determine if the immigrant has a “credible fear of persecution,” the lawsuit said. If the officer makes that determination, then there is a significant chance for the asylum-seeker to be granted asylum, according to the suit.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mi...ment-claim-violation-of-constitutional-rights

Although this is an obvious PR tactic / delay stunt, I'm not sure how this will pass scrutiny at all- I don't see how (((migrants))) who are not in the country but who are actively attempting to enter without permission possibly have standing to sue on fifth amendment grounds. While I would disagree with the principle (but not the process) if they were already here, I don't see the logic in filing this until then.

The article itself is not bad. Some interesting points-

1) the caravan is down from 7200 to 4000. The cynic in me says they found a way here already, but who knows.

2) one of the points of their argument is that Trump's "tent cities" are inhumane. It references the Flores agreement of 1997, which lays out migrant rights and lengths of detention.

3) they argue the military cannot enter Mexico to stop the caravan and once in the US the migrants will be immediately applying for asylum.

While compared to total numbers coming across the border the "caravan" might be a drop in the bucket, there sure is a lot of money behind making a big show out of this thing.
 
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Mexico might be a bad place to live, but doesn't asylum imply you're fleeing from something that directly poses an immediate threat? I highly doubt everyone in this caravan is being actively attacked or is in immediate danger.
 
And there goes any shred of sympathy I had out the window. What a bunch of conceited, belligerent pricks; we don't owe you shit, go fix your own country.
 
And there goes any shred of sympathy I had out the window. What a bunch of conceited, belligerent pricks; we don't owe you shit, go fix your own country.
I never have sympathy for anyone who violates the laws of a country and expects all the benefits of said country. They should all be tagged and banned from America and booted to the middle of the jungle or whatever they have in their shithole country.
 
I doubt they have valid asylum claims. They won’t be able to prove a direct threat to their lives. They’re not being persecuted because of race, religion, or gender.
 
Who's idea was this? Because Americans are sick of lawsuits too....

Did they think this will get any sympathy? I don't think they even care anymore, they're so used to porous borders and weak politicians they seem to think encountering one of either that works as it should is illegal.....
 
Who's idea was this? Because Americans are sick of lawsuits too....

Did they think this will get any sympathy? I don't think they even care anymore, they're so used to porous borders and weak politicians they seem to think encountering one of either that works as it should is illegal.....
Maybe some heads on pikes might remind them that we're the only country to use nuclear weapons on not one but two civilian cities to end a war and to see what it would do to an intact city.
 
And there goes any shred of sympathy I had out the window. What a bunch of conceited, belligerent pricks; we don't owe you shit, go fix your own country.
It's the Honduras, their idea of fixing their own country is to literally riot when you lose an election and they were still rioting even into the next year.

Then again, it's South/Central America, there are plenty of less-shitty countries you could flee to if you're not a drain on society like Argentina for example.
 
"You're violating my rights by not allowing me to cross your border illegally"

Sounds legit
 
said it is widely known that Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador are “undergoing a well-documented human rights crisis.”

This is bullshit If you check out 3rd party governments advice for visiting those countries the only thing of note are Migrants, Crime, Protests, Zika and volcanoes. The ironic thing is if the governments of these countries did crack down on Crime and unscheduled protests they'd probably be attacked by foreign press and NGO's as violating human rights.

-www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/el-salvador
-www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/honduras
-www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/guatemala

*Also interesting to note that the UK government calls the caravan migrants not refugees.
 
"We're using your legal system to sue you!"
"Even though you're not citizens here, not entitled to any protection or even consideration under the law, and intend to storm across the border and reside here illegally."
"...

We're using your legal system to sue you!"
 
So formally suing the US government before the caravan even arrives at the border kinda puts a kibosh in the idea that this caravan isn't being funded by outside groups, does it not?
 
They were offered asylum in mexico, so any that continued by definition are not refugees. They're migrants. Specifically, illegal migrants.

It's like if I run into a building screaming that I'm being chased by a murderer, and they offer to let me hide out in a room while they call the cops, and I say "Well no thanks I'm gonna keep walking to the lunchroom, I bet there's good shit there. Also don't call the cops because I don't even know where the murderer is or if he's still chasing me. Or even if he exists at all."

Yeah... those people would be right to doubt that I was in fear for my life.
 
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