Law Migrant Caravan sues the US - Alleges violation of constitutional rights

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A dozen migrants traveling by foot from Honduras to the U.S. to seek asylum filed a class-action lawsuit Thursday against President Trump, the Department of Homeland Security and others, claiming a violation of their due process under the Fifth Amendment.

The Fifth Amendment states that, "no person… shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

A recent PBS report cited former Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, who ruled in 1993 case that "it is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law in a deportation proceeding."

Twelve Honduran nationals, including six children, are listed as plaintiffs in the lawsuit. The suit, which was filed Thursday in the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., said it is widely known that Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador are “undergoing a well-documented human rights crisis.” The lawsuit also claims that the plaintiffs’ right to the Administrative Procedures Act and the Declaratory Judgement Act were being infringed upon.

The Central American migrant caravan now numbers approximately 4,000 people, down from a high of 7,200.

The lawsuit points to Trump's claim that he will prevent the caravan from entering the U.S. It claims that the president cannot stop asylum-seekers by employing the military -- when they have a fair claim. The suit criticized the president's alleged attempt at stoking "fear and hysteria" by claiming that criminals and gang members have joined the caravan.

The suit cited a Trump interview with Fox News’ Laura Ingraham, where the president laid out plans to build tent cities to house migrants. The suit questioned the functionality of such a project, and asked if these living quarters would qualify under the Flores Agreement of 1997. The agreement protects asylum-seekers’ rights and limits how long minors can be held.

Earlier this summer, a federal judge in California rejected a request by the administration to modify Flores to allow for longer family detention. Administration officials say they have the authority to terminate the agreement, but that is likely to be tested in court.

The White House, Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security -- which were all named as defendants -- did not immediately respond to Fox News' request for comment.

Trump announced in a lengthy speech at the White House on Thursday afternoon that in response to what he called the "crisis at our southern border" and a surge of fraudulent asylum claims in recent years, his administration will soon require asylum-seekers to "lawfully present themselves" at a port of entry.

Asylum claims made by migrants caught crossing the border illegally would seemingly be summarily denied under Trump's proposal.

The asylum clause of the Immigration and Nationality Act says that anyone who arrives to the U.S. may apply for asylum based on a well-founded fear of persecution, and Trump's decision was expected to prompt immediate federal court challenges.

Nexus Services Inc. is funding the lawsuits through a civil rights law firm called Nexus Derechos Humanos (Human Rights) Attorneys Inc.

"Federal law enables migrants to apply for asylum in the United States. President Trump and his administration have used ‘increased enforcement,’ like separating families and lengthening detention to violate migrant rights," Mike Donovan, president of Nexus Services, said in the release.

There is another legal issue at stake, according to the lawsuit. The U.S. cannot send troops into Mexico to cut off the caravan from crossing the border, it said. Even with the National Guard at the border, once an immigrant indicates an intention to apply for asylum, the suit maintained the process has begun.

Immigrants who are seeking asylum must be referred for a “credible fear interview,” for which an asylum officer would determine if the immigrant has a “credible fear of persecution,” the lawsuit said. If the officer makes that determination, then there is a significant chance for the asylum-seeker to be granted asylum, according to the suit.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mi...ment-claim-violation-of-constitutional-rights

Although this is an obvious PR tactic / delay stunt, I'm not sure how this will pass scrutiny at all- I don't see how (((migrants))) who are not in the country but who are actively attempting to enter without permission possibly have standing to sue on fifth amendment grounds. While I would disagree with the principle (but not the process) if they were already here, I don't see the logic in filing this until then.

The article itself is not bad. Some interesting points-

1) the caravan is down from 7200 to 4000. The cynic in me says they found a way here already, but who knows.

2) one of the points of their argument is that Trump's "tent cities" are inhumane. It references the Flores agreement of 1997, which lays out migrant rights and lengths of detention.

3) they argue the military cannot enter Mexico to stop the caravan and once in the US the migrants will be immediately applying for asylum.

While compared to total numbers coming across the border the "caravan" might be a drop in the bucket, there sure is a lot of money behind making a big show out of this thing.
 
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I was under the impression that the Constitution didn't apply to non-citizens. What do they think this will accomplish anyway?
 
Couldn't the lawyers who are pushing for this just help the five migrants and six children to get citizenship or this question too optimistic?
 
We've got some footage of the first groups reaching the border, and the Border Patrol's reaction:

 
3) they argue the military cannot enter Mexico to stop the caravan

The US military can damn well enter Mexico any time they please, it isn't as if any force on this Earth could stop them.

Don't pretend as if the only thing restraining the military isn't an increasingly diminishing desire to maintain the illusion of Mexican sovereignty.
 
this is an opportunity for the administration to set a very clear precedent. hopefully they prevent the caravan from entering and send a clear message to others who would hope to illegally demand entry to the US
 
The US military can damn well enter Mexico any time they please, it isn't as if any force on this Earth could stop them.

Don't pretend as if the only thing restraining the military isn't an increasingly diminishing desire to maintain the illusion of Mexican sovereignty.

I also find it a specious argument, as the military is used for humanitarian outreach and other acts that are not overt declarations of war in times of need.

It would also sidestep all that posse comitatus hubbub, but would of course need the blessing of the Mexican government to do so in a suitable manner. I would think given that the Mexican government had already offered asylum to the refugees, it would not be a hard sell to coordinate a joint action by which the government of Mexico could utilize american military assistance to provide security for a "refugee" camp while they were processed.
 
And there goes any shred of sympathy I had out the window. What a bunch of conceited, belligerent pricks; we don't owe you shit, go fix your own country.
why would you have sympathy in the first place? the whole point of stunts like this is to push a narrative that 'poor, downtrodden' people are entitled to come into your nicer country in unlimited numbers.

large groups of thousands of people don't really register as a number in the human mind, it just registers as 'a lot.' they want to normalize the idea that 'a lot' of people coming in round the clock is acceptable, and more importantly, the 'moral' thing to do.

never mind that the same progressive morons who support this kind of thing will then turn around and cry about how wages are low, workers are being mistreated, and corporate profits are too high. excesses of low-skilled migration inflame all of those problems and primarily benefit corporations.

sorry for the sperg rant but honestly, fuck 'compassion.' i have compassion for actual citizens of my country who are in a bad way and should be helped before these leeches.
 
why would you have sympathy in the first place? the whole point of stunts like this is to push a narrative that 'poor, downtrodden' people are entitled to come into your nicer country in unlimited numbers.

large groups of thousands of people don't really register as a number in the human mind, it just registers as 'a lot.' they want to normalize the idea that 'a lot' of people coming in round the clock is acceptable, and more importantly, the 'moral' thing to do.

never mind that the same progressive morons who support this kind of thing will then turn around and cry about how wages are low, workers are being mistreated, and corporate profits are too high. excesses of low-skilled migration inflame all of those problems and primarily benefit corporations.

sorry for the sperg rant but honestly, fuck 'compassion.' i have compassion for actual citizens of my country who are in a bad way and should be helped before these leeches.
Eh, keep in mind they're just tools. Bullets is actually a good comparison; expendable resources for the leftist open borders shitstains. If you spend a few (and by spend, I mean a few die), but you get what you need, what difference does it make?

Of course, it's hard on the bullets since they're human beings, but concern for the individual has never been a strong suit for the left.
 
How the hell do they have enough money to sue the government but not enough to pay for the proper citizenship process???
 
They're not even here yet and they're already causing problems. Real good look.
 
The thing that gets me is this doesn’t win people over, quite the opposite. Americans don’t like being told what to think or do (unless they’re brainless leftists) and seeing a bunch of economic migrants (supported by leftist Americans) marching to our border and suing us before they arrive is going to further erode any support they may have had from moderates.

Their sob stories aren’t working on changing American opinion so now they’re going to sue before they even get here thanks to scheister lawyers.
 
When is it ever not? The 9th covers 40% of the US and 20% of the population.
I can't figure out how the Constitution applies to people who aren't in the US and currently have no legal right to get there.
 
They were offered asylum in mexico, so any that continued by definition are not refugees. They're migrants. Specifically, illegal migrants.

It's like if I run into a building screaming that I'm being chased by a murderer, and they offer to let me hide out in a room while they call the cops, and I say "Well no thanks I'm gonna keep walking to the lunchroom, I bet there's good shit there. Also don't call the cops because I don't even know where the murderer is or if he's still chasing me. Or even if he exists at all."

Yeah... those people would be right to doubt that I was in fear for my life.

I remember seeing a few stories as well of "refugees" stopping in Eastern European countries only to see that those countries won't give them gibs and try to move on over to the more welfare friendly countries like Germany and France or just getting pissy and going back to wherever it was they came from. At that point it's painfully obvious you're not seeking asylum, you want to live in a comfortable place. If you were in fear of your life and your families lives you'd be as happy to settle down in Poland as you would the UK and be thankful you were allowed to live there.
 
I remember seeing a few stories as well of "refugees" stopping in Eastern European countries only to see that those countries won't give them gibs and try to move on over to the more welfare friendly countries like Germany and France or just getting pissy and going back to wherever it was they came from. At that point it's painfully obvious you're not seeking asylum, you want to live in a comfortable place. If you were in fear of your life and your families lives you'd be as happy to settle down in Poland as you would the UK and be thankful you were allowed to live there.
Thankful? It's all theirs, they're just taking a tiny fraction of the entire world they deserve.
 
never mind that the same progressive morons who support this kind of thing will then turn around and cry about how wages are low, workers are being mistreated, and corporate profits are too high. excesses of low-skilled migration inflame all of those problems and primarily benefit corporations.
The same group that either lives in nice, gated communities with private guards to keep the peasants out or rich, pretending-to-be-poor hipster assholes that want to live in low rent areas because it's "cool" to do.
 
It's 5000+ people and footage of the caravan shows them carrying rifles and clubs. They're an invading paramilitary force trying to breach American sovereign borders.
 
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How the hell do they have enough money to sue the government but not enough to pay for the proper citizenship process???

They plaintiffs aren't paying for it.

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