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Quarterback Rex Grossman said:
I watched Ant Man 2 in the theater and two men at least in their late 20s went nuts during the post-credits scene and were kicking the seats and cheering. I've never seen anything gayer.
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These products are for the breed of faggot who applauds themselves for recognizing the thing. Disney should be charging them $200 per theater ticket's worth of slop, for the same reason their loyal theme park patrons will drop $200 on the slop served in their restaurants.
 
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I just got back from Deadpool and Wolverine. A movie in Japan actually opened the same time as the rest of the world.

It was enjoyable and not disappointing.

WOLVERINE PUTS ON THE MASK AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SHIT.
 
D&W was ok I guess...I preferred DP2 though, something just seemed off about this movie, like it was trying far too hard, and the Wolverine CGI on the big street fight vs the Deadpools was fucking terrible and I think the only reason they had Wolvy put on his mask.
Nice to see The Human Torch, Blade (Snipes looks like he has AIDS though) and Gambit
 
The first Deadpool, in my opinion, is one of the most entertaining and rewatchable comic book movies ever. It successfully does what SO many modern comic book movies fail to do:
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1. It didn't have an overblown budget, so the filmmakers were forced to get creative with the action scenes which paid off ten fold. That opening action sequence in particular is awesome.​
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2. It actually has a good villain that you enjoy rooting against.​
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3. The romance is surprisingly really well-done (it's a shockingly fantastic date movie-- I remember it coming out to theaters on Valentine's Day and I walked out of the movie shocked at how appropriate it was for the holiday haha)​
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4. The movie knows when to joke around and have fun, and it knows when it take itself seriously so that you actually get invested in the plot and care about what's happening on screen.​
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5. The movie is only 90-minutes long, so it doesn't overstay its welcome. None of the scenes are boring or feel unnecessary. There's literally nothing I would change about the film. It has the perfect runtime.​
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I always like to point to the first Deadpool movie as a reference on how to make a capeshit movie the right way.

While I enjoyed the second one, I have issues with it, and I've only watched it 2 or 3 times (and it's been several years since the last time I watched it), whereas I've lost count on how many times I've seen the first one.

My expectations for Deadpool and Wolverine are managed. Honestly, because it's an MCU movie, I'm expecting for the movie to feel like a theme park ride. It'll be a lot of fun while watching it, but it won't make a lasting impression. A part of me is still wishing that Logan had been Hugh Jackman's last ride as Wolverine ... Logan was literally the perfect sendoff. I don't want that sendoff to feel cheapened with this ...

Anyway, probably not going to see it on opening weekend. I'll probably wait until next weekend or something.
 
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Came back from watching it. It was ok, I still prefer the 1st film over it. It hovers between being above and below the 2nd film the more I think about it. There's a metric fuckton of cameos throughout the whole movie and a good chunk of it feels like "hey hey, member this?". In terms of character progression, it's honestly very minimal and any claims that it will have an effect on the MCU is a straight up lie. The whole thing is largely a love letter/goodbye to 20th Century Fox's Marvel films, especially with the mid-credits scene reminiscing about those films.
The Good
-Ryan Reynolds actually stops at one point to call out how drawn out and overdone the multiverse crap is
-No restraint on gore and cursing
-The DP and Wolverine banter and fights
-Wolverine's actual outfit
-Several character cameos are excusable as they are explicitly presented and stated to be final goodbyes to those characters and their actors' portrayal, basically giving the fans and actors what they wanted

The Bad
-The plot is incredibly basic (borderline nonexistent)
-The main antagonist's motivation just suddenly changes, causing the whole transition between the 2nd and 3rd act to be a mess
-The MacGuffin of the plot is incredibly stupid considering what has already been established with the TVA's abilities
-The entire motivation for Deadpool to take action in the film only happens because the secondary antagonist gives him a reason to intervene in his plan. It's a case of "if you didn't mention your entire evil plan in explicitly great detail unprompted to the protagonist within 5mins of meeting them, they wouldn't have stopped you."
-The mini-MacGuffin that's used to transition the story between the 2nd and 3rd act shouldn't be useable by that character and from what I remember from previous Marvel films, it shouldn't be able to jump between universes, only dimensions
-Nothing about the MCU's multiverse shitshow is actually changed
-Nothing about Deadpool's own universe changes aside from the fact that there's a Wolverine explicitly there now (there should be 2 Wolverines now actually)
-The entire plot point about the ending of Logan being the cause for this film's starting point is nonsensical considering the point in time when Logan ends and where Deadpool 2 ends/Deadpool 3 starts
-Deadpool's motivation regarding Vanessa is shit and their relationship is made worse

The Ugly
-CGI near the end
-Jumbled mess of visuals in group fights, making it hard to notice everything

The movie is enjoyable if you grew up with Fox's Marvel films however as someone that sees a lot of those films as a guilty pleasure, it was enjoyable to see those characters but it honestly leaves no real lasting impression on me. I'm probably going to forget about this film by the end of the weekend.
 
I liked the movie but the story was shit and flashbacks are annoying, i know that it's just a silly action comedy but they could've put more effort into the story and i know they did flashbacks in the other 2 movies but c'mon.
I feel like we needed to have a bit more wolverine and less Deadpool.
The multiverse fatigue speech reminded me of Rich Evans and I had a fat retard who laughed just like him sitting behind me, which enhanced the experience. 7/10
 
I loved it. probably won't work on me in subsequent viewings, but I loved it. felt like a movie aimed squarely at a dude my age. First time I've seen a comic book movie and thought huh that was made for me in years. a lot of the plot was stupid bullshit, but I was pleasantly surprised at the tone of it. I was shocked how much more serious it is tonally than the first two. it's still a comedy but they really tried to be a little more than that this time. it didn't totally work but I appreciated the effort. my only real complaints with this movie were some terrible CGI and that a lot of the jokes didn't land for me. it's not that they aren't funny they just aren't funny to me really outside of a few. it's almost entirely jokes about meta stuff.
that part where Wolverine is yelling at Deadpool directly before the honda odyssey fight (my favorite part lol) I think might be Jackman's single best delivery of a line as Wolverine, it's him basically telling him how much he hates him but he's obviously talking about himself and it was like really really good I was like damn. my woman didn't like it at all, she likes the first two but when we left she was like yeah that movie was way more targeted towards you specifically than the other ones and I think the more serious tone of it was why. she likes ryan reynolds and ryan reynolds movies, this was a wolverine movie after the first act.

I really liked it but it's not GREAT but it could have been a hell of a lot worse we probably got the best movie this movie could be under the circumstances. funnily enough I have wanted Wolverine's mask in live action my whole life and now that we got it I don't think it really worked. barring that though the suit was awesome.
 
I really liked it.

It really is just a goodbye to all the non-MCU, non-Sony Marvel movies.

However, bit of a bait and switch, the idea that Deadpool was gonna end up in the MCU. He's still in his world, and while I'm sure we'll see him and this Logan and probably Laura in whatever the fuck Secret War ends up being, it seems he'll never be integrated into the MCU as was expected.

That said, this integration may be the endgame of the Multiverse saga. Just fucking get it over with.
 
Plot was threadbare, being little more than an excuse for a multiverse romp, but I liked it. I was surprised at how much Disney allowed the writers to shit on Multiverse crap and pretty much the last 5 years worth of movies. Also, something tells me the director or one of the main writers wasn't a big fan of the movie Logan, which was fine by me.
 
This movie redefines goyslop. Loki was dogshit and the TVA is an attrociously awful piece of worldbuilding that should have never made it past spitballing, much less the focus of a full blown series and movie hijaking 2 other much better characters and ruining them in turn.

90% of this movie is "MEMBER THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT" and 4th wall break moments held toogether by a paper thin plot, not held toogether by anything because this movie has no plot, the humour is just deadpool swearing and breaking the 4th wall, namedropping disney and the MCU like 50 times.

This is barely even a movie. Its literally just a collection of references and cameos one after the reason with no rhyme or reason.

The CGI is ps3 era, the movie legit looks like the 2013 deadpool game.

At one point when they are in the void and they see the shitty mad max cars coming deadpool goes "its like a bad max max ripoff" calling attention to the fact that you're a bad mad max ripoff does not suddently make it good. It only draws attention to the fact that you are bad.

I've seen people say that this movie is a parody/satire of multiverse stuff, motherfucker, its not a parody if you literally DO the thing played completely straight. "Satire/parody" is not winking at the audience once every 30 minutes while playing the concept completely straight.

The only way you can enjoy this movie is your brain has completely disintegrated from marvel movies and if I had to pin a movie as the true fall of cinema this would be it.
 
Agreed on all counts, except for one:

Oilspill Battery said:
"Satire/parody" is not winking at the audience once every 30 minutes
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It seemed like it was done every three seconds. The film is what a moron thinks genre deconstruction is when they believe there's nothing wrong with the genre; with all self-referential criticisms conveyed in the condescending tone of "this is an example of what critics have had to say about the tropes we rely on to make the movie happen", rather than actually owning one's faults.

The "meta" commentary is blatantly for the sake of insulating the studio and broader industry from direct criticism which might hurt their feelings more than a light ribbing (I expect loyal fans will hyperbolically claim that the film "ROASTS" Hollywood). If the film was going to insist on being a self-referential quip fest, then it could have easily benefitted from characters acknowledging that the plot is a series of thin contrivances, with an absence of actual stakes or consequence inherent in the formula of The Good Guys Win at the End. Instead, literally every character, down to the cameos, shares the same false motivation of acting like something important is at stake in their two hundred million dollar "we don't take ourselves too seriously" vanity project. It isn't a "turn your brain off popcorn movie" if the film is constantly vacillating between telling the audience to care and then not care in order to assert itself as being higher-concept than it actually is.

Disclaimer: Didn't pay or otherwise support the product.
 
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Marc said:
Agreed on all counts, except for one:



It seemed like it was done every three seconds. The film is what a moron thinks genre deconstruction is when they believe there's nothing wrong with the genre; with all self-referential criticisms conveyed in the condescending tone of "this is an example of what critics have had to say about the tropes we rely on to make the movie happen", rather than actually owning one's faults.

The "meta" commentary is blatantly for the sake of insulating the studio and broader industry from direct criticism which might hurt their feelings more than a light ribbing (I expect loyal fans will hyperbolically claim that the film "ROASTS" Hollywood). If the film was going to insist on being a self-referential quip fest, then it could have easily benefitted from characters acknowledging that the plot is a series of thin contrivances, with an absence of actual stakes or consequence inherent in the formula of The Good Guys Win at the End. Instead, literally every character, down to the cameos, shares the same false motivation of acting like something important is at stake in their two hundred million dollar "we don't take ourselves too seriously" vanity project. It isn't a "turn your brain off popcorn movie" if the film is constantly vacillating between telling the audience to care and then not care in order to assert itself as being higher-concept than it actually is.

Disclaimer: Didn't pay or otherwise support the product.
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E;R's videos are extremely good at explaining why deadpool isn't a parody or subversion at all and why the meta commentary on the genre it attempts to make falls extremely falls flat. The videos are on the first movie, but what they say applies in triplicate to the third movie.





Deadpool movies all go through the same motions as every single other capeshit film with the only difference between that deadpool swears a lot and occasionally winks at the camera. Its the same thing as any ultra formulaic capeshit film except with a coat of polkadot paint, except in this case it works against it because they have this grandiose plot we're supposed to care about "oh no wade's universe will die", but also not care about "haha disney sucks amirite, none of this is real loki is a tv show".

So deadpool suffers from marvel writing dragging it down enough already, and then you have deadpool as a character himself dragging the writing further down because he wants to be incompatible with conventional superhero films due to his 4th wall breaks and self refential humor, but is still stuck in a substandard marvel film.

Deadpool is supposed to be a character that breaks whatever setting he's in, which is why you need to actually design a proper story and setting for him to break to work, you cannot just drop him coldturkey on throwaway marvel movie #98127 and expect him to work magic.

Its like Saitama, he also breaks whatever setting he's in, which is why the setting he's in is meticulously crafted for him to break in a specific way. You can't take saitama and drop him in marvel and expect it to work as well as it does in OPM.

At the end of the day, deadpool is an agressively childish thing agressively marketed at adults and the first movie while not a subversion, a parody, or satire, works, because at least it brought something new and unique to the table at the time it came out, and this is all it will more or less be remembered for, being an R rated supehero film, i.e. the first movie is a novelty.

The other two movies are not.

You can make smart insightful and witty superhero media. One punch man and watchmen are both excellent satires of superoes that stand on their own two feet, but deadpool isn't it.
 
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