Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines: 2 - I want to believe, but...

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mr.moon1488 said:
I would say they'd be better off at this point just putting the pillow over the face of the game and acting as if nothing has happened, but nowadays, you can force out absolutely shit games and still make a profit.
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Honestly, I still want it to come out, but that’s largely due to me wanting to see what kind of dumpster fire this fucking thing is.

Also has anyone heard of anyone taking the bait regarding Paradox opening up the IP for people to make their own “official games”?
 
Leaf Wage Slave said:
Honestly, I still want it to come out, but that’s largely due to me wanting to see what kind of dumpster fire this fucking thing is.

Also has anyone heard of anyone taking the bait regarding Paradox opening up the IP for people to make their own “official games”?
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For what it's worth, the game "Heartless Lullaby" was made by a small dev team during the vtm game jam and is pretty okay for what I played. I'd be excited to see what they could do with more than a month's development time.
 
Leaf Wage Slave said:
Also has anyone heard of anyone taking the bait regarding Paradox opening up the IP for people to make their own “official games”?
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Anyone with the brains to make anything that isn't a steaming pile of fecal matter is going to take one look at the terms and decide to do literally anything else with their time.
 
You know the funny part is v5 was apparantly designed with Bloodlines in mind as some of dumb multi media blitz.

Probably doesn't help that v5 was 'controversial' (shit) and sparked an international incident. Because the lead designer is a borderline lolcow and paradox didn't pay attention to what he was doing.

Probably a lesson in there for game designers in both rpg and vidya about relying on what the other guy is doing
 
Desu Mountain said:
Say what now?
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Per a quick check of the old Google - I’ve stuck with my V20, so I missed this particular fun - well I’ll let the first blurb from a 2018 Polygon article do all the talking
Heads are rolling at White Wolf, the company behind the classic Vampire: The Masquerade tabletop role-playing setting. Leadership changes are underway, after the studio used the imprisonment, torture, and murder of Chechnya’s LGBTQ community as the backdrop for a major plot point in that game.
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Needless to say, Chechnya wasn’t exactly happy about this. At all. Paradox has been a lot tighter on White Wolf’s leash since
 
Desu Mountain said:
From the article it sounds more like the SJWs are whose complaints they cared about rather than the Chechs'. I'd be shocked to hear a company caring about what Chechnya thinks of anything.
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They got buried from all sides.

-sjws and woke twat media hates it because it trivialised the persecution of the gays.

-grognards hating it for being preachy woke shit.

- everyone else hated it for being pure cringe.

-normies hated it for doing more harm than good.

-it did nothing to stop Chechnya's antics
 
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The fact they're still pushing the V5 setting and not letting anyone use the V20 setting or that of the earlier editions for their game program is what puts me off of the whole thing.

All of Paradox's White Wolf stuff is just god-awful.
 
Syaoran Li said:
The fact they're still pushing the V5 setting and not letting anyone use the V20 setting or that of the earlier editions for their game program is what puts me off of the whole thing.

All of Paradox's White Wolf stuff is just god-awful.
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In fairness, most of White Wolf's stuff has been awful for a while now. The culture around the games are dogshit, the writers are dogshit, the whole thing is nosediving in terms of quality.
 
It's why I recommend Onyx Path's Chronicles of Darkness. Its quality varies, but again, far superior to 5e.

As for why HtV 2e is flawed? From what I remember it's because they aimed at the wrong element to cull; something about fucking up either the compacts or conspiracies when they did it. IMO you just kind of do what you did with Requiem 2e; you ignore the fluff and just use the crunch.
 
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