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Nayolfa said:
A child ruled successfully somewhere in history and it sort of stuck that kids in this world can keep society together better than adults.
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Well it still doesn't add up, leaving tons of questions. How can a child possibly comprehend politics or other things that you can only understand when your brain is developed enough.
 
Nayolfa said:
Basically the parents raise their children until they reach a certain level of understanding to run society. When they reach a certain age (13-16) they have to give up authority and learn to be an adult. Adults give birth to children and the cycle repeat.
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Nayolfa, let's be real here. Growing Around isn't going to take off; you and MrEnter need to realize that before the fall is that much more devastating. Even if by some miracle it gets picked up, it'll be panned critically. Nothing about Growing Around is unique, it's just another "twist" on a very bland (unlikable) cast of characters.

The reason certain cartoons are flourishing right now is that they attempt to be different. The scripts previewed for Growing Around almost feel like Where's Waldo when it comes to stolen scenarios and jokes, except Waldo's fucking everywhere. Even if you're not intending to be dishonest with the content that inspired the show, the plot is so played-out that you'll be hard-pressed to not step on those landmines.

There's little attempt to be original, there's little attempt to tread new waters, and there's little attempt to take risks from what's been presented. I maybe had a small bit of hope held for the dynamics between adults and children; but after reading your explanation, it's really not any different from throwing in a super genius or a talking dog into a family of four when it comes to stock plots.
 
Dilbertmann said:
Alright. I'm just throwing my two cents. But the pony...be careful. Don't overuse it and make it the star of the show, y'know.
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Oh god no. That would kill the show. Props if they don't do it, because even successful shows have killed themselves doing that. My suggestion: make the thing a background character. Occasionally give it an episode, but don't overdo it.
 
Dilbertmann said:
Alright. I'm just throwing my two cents. But the pony...be careful. Don't overuse it and make it the star of the show, y'know.
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The pony still needs to get an episode to show her role in the show. But that probably won't happen, if it starts heading that way, I'll stop it before it happens.
 
KFC said:
Oh god no. That would kill the show. Props if they don't do it, because even successful shows have killed themselves doing that. My suggestion: make the thing a background character. Occasionally give it an episode, but don't overdo it.
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That's exactly my point. Using that dang pony is going to spell death for the show.

Nayolfa said:
The pony still needs to get an episode to show her role in the show. But that probably won't happen, if it starts heading that way, I'll stop it before it happens.
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Good. Keep her as a background character or a cameo. No main character stuff, ya know?
 
Nayolfa said:
A child ruled successfully somewhere in history and it sort of stuck that kids in this world can keep society together better than adults.
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If you want my personal opinion -- and I speak as someone who intends to be a writer of some kind -- that's kind of a shit excuse for why kids run the world. Children are pretty universally gullible, naive, and do not fully comprehend how the world works; thus, the idea that just one -- ONE -- successful child ruler has managed to convince the world is pretty high up on the scale of silly and illogical things.

But that's just me.
 
@Nayolfa Got to give you credit to answering these questions, and at least maturely. I can't say that for most of the people we discuss on this site.
 
NZDROW said:
If you want my personal opinion -- and I speak as someone who intends to be a writer of some kind -- that's kind of a shit excuse for why kids run the world. Children are pretty universally gullible, naive, and do not fully comprehend how the world works; thus, the idea that just one -- ONE -- successful child ruler has managed to convince the world is pretty high up on the scale of silly and illogical things.

But that's just me.
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That's exactly what I think.
 
NZDROW said:
And I mean, it wouldn't really be a problem if the series were non-serious or intended to be comedic or something like that, but from what I'm seeing here, this is a completely serious work and it's intended to be taken seriously.
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If only Enter was here himself.
 
Nayolfa said:
@Optimus Prime - I did not say that, we already have all the information about what the character aspire to do, their characteristic, etc. That is what we finished first, the scripts and art were made so we could figure out how to expand the ideas.
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Then why didn't you just bother finishing the show bible instead? You just said you had a significant portion of what goes into the bible already finished, what sense is there in leaving it unfinished and just going over to do something else which you actually need the finished show bible for?

Making the pilot is what we are learning from. And if not finalizing every single tiny detail was a mistake then sorry, mistakes will be made. The pilot is essentially learning how to produce a full episode of a cartoon.
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No, it's not the finalized details, it's having a foundation of how the world works on every fundamental level. You're trying to build something without its complete blueprints basically!
And horses/ponies are awesome. Pretty smart creatures, more so than most dogs or cows I'd say. I actually suggested it to MrEnter after visiting my friends who owned a horse.
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So...the horse is not in fact truly MrEnter's idea, it was yours?

Like, do you even understand how impossible it would be for a family to raise a horse in modern day suburbia? Horses are large and costly to support. They weigh about a ton on average, if not more, and "eat like a horse" is a cliche reference to large appetites for a very good reason. And they need to run.

Nayolfa said:
Basically the parents raise their children until they reach a certain level of understanding to run society. When they reach a certain age (13-16) they have to give up authority and learn to be an adult. Adults give birth to children and the cycle repeat.
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...Are you telling me that this is essentially Codename: Kids Next Door now?

Nayolfa said:
A child ruled successfully somewhere in history and it sort of stuck that kids in this world can keep society together better than adults.
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If you're talking about Henry VIII's son, the fact is he wasn't so much a leader as he was a figurehead for...I forget who, but the end result of Henry going to absurd lengths simply to have a male heir was not a hardy fellow and his reign was both short and for the most part insignificant, since Bloody Mary eagerly got to work on solving lots of problems by killing lots of people.
 
NZDROW said:
If you want my personal opinion -- and I speak as someone who intends to be a writer of some kind -- that's kind of a shit excuse for why kids run the world. Children are pretty universally gullible, naive, and do not fully comprehend how the world works; thus, the idea that just one -- ONE -- successful child ruler has managed to convince the world is pretty high up on the scale of silly and illogical things.

But that's just me.
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Thats just an idea for now. Like I said, most of this will be revised and improved while the pilot is being worked on. Which again, has all the essentials already made for it. It's a simple story to introduce the characters and the concept.

Anyways, MrEnter is online, and I'm going to use the helpful information I got today to develop the concepts further.

And please stop bitching about the scripts. They are ideas, not actual scripts at this point. As we develop the series taking out the flaws and what not, we will rewrite the best scripts we have.

And with I'll take my leave, and probably come back here some other time. I have to attend to college work, a job, commissions, my family/friends, and this cartoon.
 
Nayolfa said:
Thats just an idea for now. Like I said, most of this will be revised and improved while the pilot is being worked on. Which again, has all the essentials already made for it. It's a simple story to introduce the characters and the concept.
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Before you part, here is my honest advice in regards to your ideas regarding how children came to run the world: Scrap all of them. And perhaps consider just leaving it unexplained, and have people develop their own theories about it or something if you can't find a good way to justify it.
 
Nayolfa said:
Anyways, I'm not trying to make excuses. We had all the information we needed to write the pilot, and begun the production process while working out other details. If some things need improvement, we will add it where we can, it's not worth it to scrap the months of progress we made to start again.
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To be honest? You didn't have the information to write your pilot because you're "learning as you go". And to the last thing, yes. I'm sorry. As the cartoon stands right now, it's near unsalvagable. This is all stuff you should have considered before writing a show.

You are mostly into storyboarding the pilot for a cartoon with almost no original ideas, boring jokes, stale plots, and a world that doesn't make any sense. The characters are irritating and inconsistent. Your only source of feedback has been the eternal hugbox known as DeviantArt, where people will kiss your ass for miles if you draw inflated animals. And from how you described the process, it's very clear no one has any idea what you're doing. MrEnter spends more time writing dozens of these worthless scripts than helping with the show, it seems. You have no completed series bible and as such no clear reference for how the world or characters work. And from what you've said here, not even the staff knows the history or lore of this world. AND YOU'RE STARTING THE STORYBOARDS.

I understand that you probably have had a lot of your time and effort poured into this show. I can respect that. But what you're getting here isn't an attack. You're getting an honest outsider's view, away from dA where people will just tell you what you want to hear. We're not here to troll you.

Nayolfa said:
And please stop bitching about the scripts. They are ideas, not actual scripts at this point. As we develop the series taking out the flaws and what not, we will rewrite the best scripts we have.
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The biggest problem with the scripts is more about MrEnter himself than with their actual content. By themselves, they're bland. But they also contain many examples of pretty much everything MrEnter picks on in his Animated Atrocities. He's approaching his very own series with a big dose of hypocrisy right out the gate, and that's bad news for everyone involved.

Nayolfa said:
And with I'll take my leave, and probably come back here some other time. I have to attend to college work, a job, commissions, my family/friends, and this cartoon.
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This isn't a good attitude to leave here on. We already figured you have a life. No one accused you of being a loser. But that doesn't make your show any better. Your team want to impress us with their cartoon? Take effort to finally take some advice for once instead of only accepting the opinions of dA buttpatters.
 
KFC said:
There goes maturity. Do you have any idea what an opinion is?
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I'm sure he does, I'm just not sure that he's capable of accepting them if they go against him or his ideas which, honestly, make no sense.
 
This show might actually have a chance if you ditch Enter. He can't really write worth a damn and he can't see past his own ego to let his work improve.
Cut off the infected limb and you might survive.
 
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