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I don't remember any of this drama. I used the site around 2010 so maybe I just missed it? SB was just autists arguing about biggatons and technobabble for me. There was some fanfiction that might have got close to being well written but it was drowned out by badly made HFY bullshit. The Mass Effect/anything crossovers were the worst imo. They really seemed to hate Mass Effect.
 
Weirdly apologetic of pedophiles. They had a thread where a sizable chunk of their forum, and all moderators and/or staff, defended Cuties to the death. A few claiming they watched it, and said it was family friendly (lmfao, really).

One of their moderators was a convicted pedophile too. No surprise there. You would figure that after this debacle? They would crack down on any degeneracy. They doubled down instead.

 
Election poem.

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There’s a thread in Whitehall right now called ‘Is there a silvering lining?’. It is full of doomers thinking that this is the end for the United States. Fascism has won and America will forever be a despotic realm for the rich and powerful to murder minorities and establish a Christian theocracy where everyone speaks Russian.

I can guarantee that in four years, these same people will be fearmongering that the Republican nominee in 2028 will be the one who will implement fascism in the United States without a hint of self-awareness.
 
Imperial Citizen said:
There’s a thread in Whitehall right now called ‘Is there a silvering lining?’
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That they called it Whitehall remains funny. No doubt back in the day they were "Britain is so much better than America." Then after they soured on the UK it was probably Canada/Sweden and as those places accelerate into the dirt they are probably wary about talking about anywhere else.

It's a shame really, they used to have a degree of rationality and during the Smollett stuff there were some small number of posters who could point out the holes. They were a minority but it was permitted. Think the thread got nuked later.

Then came 2020, BLM and all that and nuance is now as dead there as on Sufficient Velocity.
 
Over on SV, they are having the expected reaction.

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Longstanding, well respected member: "Everyone stay calm, don't spaz out or do dumb shit, don't shoot your mouth off with stuff you'll regret, focus on ways you can actually make a positive difference for yourself and the country."

Mod: No we just to spaz out stop telling us that the sky isn't falling and that we should try being reasonable!
 
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Wow! SV actually agreeing on something and stating that it's better to focus on the things that can change and work on political unity when Trump is in office? That sounds incredible! I can't wait to see how they're going to...
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Mod: No we just to spaz out stop telling us that the sky isn't falling and that we should try being reasonable!
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...oh.
 
Repostan Zor's retardation for the viewing pleasure of non-registered onlookers.

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This is a thread about the political stance of a large body of works of fiction, so I feel that Whitehall is the place for this thread rather than Spacebattles Main.

One thing that I can say with reasonable certainty is that over the two centuries or so of it's existence Science Fiction has far more often come from a left leaning source or has adopted a position that was left leaning (at least by the standards of the time). Let's look at a sampling of Science Fiction Works and Authors that most people would consider significant and were financially successful.

  • Frankenstein: written by proto-Feminist Mary Shelly.
  • Jules Verne: wrote works critical of Imperialism (Captain Nemo, an Indian who'd lost his family to British Imperialism and who hates the strong who oppress the weak).
  • HG Wells: Socialist with a lot of Socialist Ideals manifesting themselves in his work (The Time Machine is the big obvious one, but also the Invisible Man and The Sleeper Awakes) and was critical of British Imperialism (The War of the Worlds).
  • Issac Asimov: Prolific SF writer, atheist, feminist, die hard new dealer, supporter of LGBT rights when it was unpopular.
  • Superman*: Lead Character is an Immigrant, was used against the KKK.
  • Captain America*: A comic created in 1940 designed to embody everything American who's villain were Nazis. Unpopular run as a Anti-Communist figure got retconned into being an imposter. Often pitted against US Nationalists.
  • Twilight Zone: a lot of episodes were highly critical of society, usually from a left wing perspective.
  • Star Trek: has as an idealized future a techno-socialist society which a vast number of peoples have set aside their differences and strive together in which in which diplomacy and science are positive traits.
  • XMEN: Allegory against Racism and Prejudice in General.
  • Ursula K. Le Guin: Acclaimed SF writer from a Feminist and Environmentalist Perspective.
  • Star Wars: A dictatorship arises due to militarization and strong man politics and it and it's runaway military/industrial complex needs to be resisted by a rag tag group of teenagers. The basics of this came out just after the Vietnam War.
  • Alien Franchise: Has women in traditionally male roles as well as a corporation willing to send people to their deaths to gain control of the xenomorphs.
  • Mobile Suit Gundam: Highly popular and influential anime which has a distinct anti-war message as a core theme.
  • Terminator: US military builds a superintelligent AI which proceeds to start a nuclear holocaust and plans on exterminating all of mankind on top of feminist themes.
  • The Matrix: Made by a pair of Transgender Women with Transgender Themes woven into it.
  • Avatar: Ferngully in Space.
This is not a comprehensive list, of course.

This is not to say that these works are all the products of Perfect Leftists (especially given the argument you'd get in trying to define what constitutes a "Perfect Leftist") or are 100% Left Leaning even considering that the world they came from. Nor are we saying that Conservative Science Fiction does not exist, but it is a lot less common and a lot less influential. The most Right Leaning form of science fiction out there would probably be military Sci-Fi, but even that is not a hard and fast rule. Leaving aside the occasional reactionary like Kratman most military Sci-Fi for a long time has been onboard with a feminist idea of women serving alongside men in the Space Navy or as Space Troopers which was something many IRL conservatives oppose. A lot of military SF has roots in Robert H. Heinlein's Starship Troopers and Heinlein and while Heinlein at that point did have a lot to say about military service as a positive thing and all that he was also not a conventional conservative by any means. Some of the Post Apocalyptic stuff has a Right Wing bias to it, but post-apocalyptia is a more contested field since the cause of said apocalypse is usually something such as climate change or nuclear war brought about by militarism. Not to say there are not exceptions elsewhere, but those exceptions are less common and more marginal.

As for why this is the case, I can't say for certain. One possible factor is is that science fiction had been a more niche product for much of the twentieth century which was other than the norm, either current or historical. In "The 50-Year Mission: The Complete, Uncensored, Unauthorized Oral History of Star Trek: The First 25 Years" there are some comment about how a writer in the 1960s should quit that weird childish new Trek show and write some Western, though this is more of a historic reason. Maybe it's because people on the left tend to think more about where society is going in a more proactive way where things might be good (UFP, The Culture) or bad (Polluted Cyberpunk Dystopia**) but either way they'll be different from the status quo while conservatives think about an idealized present or romanticized and often mythological view of the past. But I would posit that there is some reason for this either in the subject manner or the culture which is prone to consuming it which leans left.

Would you agree with this or not?

*While there is a whole lot of fantastic elements in both their worlds, Superman is an Alien and Captain America is the product of advanced drugging/genetic modification/something vaguely on that line that would qualify as SF beings. Wonder Woman for that matter has always been a Feminist character, but she's a fantasy being.
**Insert "that's today!" Joke Here.

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Agares said:
SB's politics forum got so insufferable after 2015 and watching them seethe this hard is cathartic.
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I have said it before and I'll say it again: 2016, for liberals, was the year that broke everything. 2020, for liberals, was the year that everything not broken fell apart. 2024, for liberals, is just a re-run of 2016.
 
deepFriedBaka said:
I have said it before and I'll say it again: 2016, for liberals, was the year that broke everything. 2020, for liberals, was the year that everything not broken fell apart. 2024, for liberals, is just a re-run of 2016.
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This happens to every group when they get too cocky.

CURRENT YEAR (2015) was when they started thinking their victory was inevitable. Trudeau had won in Canada, the refugees were being let in by the millions and Hillary was on track to be the next president. The right side of history would win and usher in a thousand year progressive utopia.

Then Brexit happened, which shocked them but they could explain it away as bitter old people out voting the young progressives. Then Trump won and that was the real start of their mental breakdown. Sure they could cope by shouting about Russian propaganda and muh popular vote but elections have consequences. While Trump's first term wasn't the 4th reich they feared, this was the point where the backlash against progressivism went mainstream. They fought back, and they fought back hard. The deplatforming and cancel culture was brutal in the late 10's, but it wasn't enough to silence the opposition. It's been a snowball ever since. 2020 was just the Empire striking back and Peak Woke, and even then if it weren't for the pandemic Trump would have won a second consecutive term.

Now they're starting to realize their ideology isn't as popular as they thought, and it's beautiful. Now they know how we felt in the mid 10's.
 
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This was posted on a fanfic about modern day US in the Fallout universe, due to a Stargate type of meme in the Fallout universe from pre-War USA coming online and causing a portal to open between the US Army Base in the Fallout world and the real life one. (Old Glory Once Again)

This was a pretty popular fic, started in April and nearing 300 pages with loads of chapters and good interaction. It is now locked and dead for the forseeable future.

This is exactly what I am talking about when I shit on the likes of AH.com and SB moderation and their extreme political bias. The mere mention of IRL figures and politicians means that the entire thread will become a minefield, and the ban hammer is guaranteed to fall. It is hard to tell what the author actually means, if his ideas and positions are that he wants to put Trump on the fic or someone else. I checked and Biden is never mentioned by name despite the fact he is obviously the president due to the whole IRL thing.

The mere mention of the real life, apolitical fact that the administration of the country featured in the story has changed has made the content "political" and has given the author cold feet. Just like how mentioning that ISOTs taking modern day progressives to the past would NOT result in imediate gay luxury space communism, or that people in the past are not just gonna shrug off and accept massive societal changes on a whim.
 
Let's see what little shilling the usual suspects were able to say about the Deposer before Neoliberal mods decided that this was an unsalvageable situation.

The bootlicking starts with t99_2020 being scared for the lives of more corporate officers.
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Baladar picks up his uncashed reality check and pushes it back into his face.
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For a tangent, let's look at a take that was too naive even for this website
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PsuedoSim attempts, far too late, to salvage his hateful comment using left wing language. Alas, those are the exact politics that pinged their radar.
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t99_2020 comes out of the petit-bougie closet.
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Um, did CuriousStranger just do a hecking stochastic terorism?
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It's a break time from being funny. I need to ask. What is LukeTheDuke trying to say in his signature?
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The first mod is completely transparent about his political motives.
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t99_2020 stays the traumatized soyjak that he is.
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This causes Tempeljaeger to raise a hand to his shoulder, bemoaning the hateful attitude of chess players.
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Even this late into the thread, there are the bigots like Dartz who dogwhistle for a celebration, and reap the updoots big time for stating the obvious.
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Seidmadr sees that this situation calls for the favorite boogeyman of neolibs everywhere. That's right, we're playing the Russian hacker card!
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Evaunit02mark1 catches the ball for him to massive applause. We may be seeing the birth of a narrative!
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Dfinc gives his sarcastic response to the schizophrenia about.
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Hahaha, he just fucking 'folx'-ed inside a mod post. Bwahaha.
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I'm just bringing Voran here for context besides the one after the next:
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A two-for-one streak of cuckoldry by qOwOp and Blood Raven!
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Ahhh... and who else but t99_2020 to make it a triple. Take out the weasel words, we all know who's traumatized! You're more emotionally invested in this than the celebrants!
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Todeswind discusses the likelihood of a jury nullification.
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Out of the loud minority, Lord of Chromius says it too clearly...
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His natural response would cause the moderators to delete his updoot count for 'trolling', in a classic show of spacebattler debate tactics.
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Firehawk242 was too bored to lie at the moderators.
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Todeswind concurs, these opening shots are a call to make the revolution impossible.
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Guys guys guys, I think that t99_2020 is trying to tell me that this is the start of scary times! Scary times!
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While he figured out how to farm stickers from expressing his fears that mass murders are leading to single murders, others like xela 63 haven't.
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After the leftists give their appropriate responses, his response is so rotten by German politics that Terranalias mercifully loses the power to engage with this mindfuck.
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He continues to simp for the health and safety of the most disgusting participants in the most infamous healthcare system.
The privilege of posting that Hillary Clinton meme will be reserved for another Kiwi, however, you've seen it, and he is embodying it right now.
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My angle of response to this fedpost by Terranalias? I'll go with, taking this as proof that Erinyes was only infracting people for his own political agenda, separate from the moderator consensus, and he wasn't managing reports for this round.
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After the years of coping with great replacement and its consequences, he is completely dazed by the beliefs of his American counterparts that mass murder is somehow worse when it isn't illegal. He would personally help his people repeat the Holocaust if the EU condoned it. I mean will and when.
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Kieron becomes confused that Americans haven't made this a strict class war, and Firehawk242 endorses by-omission the only system that has room for his 'existence', the same one of course, that started all this.
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Falzyker gets bobbed for looking on the bright side.
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Aaaand it took me so long to compile this that someone else can be clipping this thread live!
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Cnidarian said:
Aaaand it took me so long to compile this that someone else can be clipping this thread live!
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And this shit is why I'm glad they have a thread. They've cultivated an environment where any behaviour is acceptable if the target is one they are permitted to hate but when a surprise occurs (this thing, the Smollett stuff, I suspect the Israel/Palestine conflict) there is no room for nuance and the mods tend to panic.

Hilarity.
 
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