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Maybe tinfoil, but I wonder if part of the reason the IBLP movement is so hellbent on not teaching kids about sex until their wedding night is because it's harder for kids to report sexual abuse when they have no idea what is happening and why. Since Gothard, the founder, is a convicted kiddy diddler it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. The cult is so insidious because it hides behind this guise of being "wholesome" and "morally pure" when it's actually anything but. Its very structure enables abuse to go unreported and unpunished, with the man being considered Jesus's representative in the home and thus unquestionable.
At the very least it's a feature to them, not a bug, just like how the fact that the shit they push for women tends to trap them in abusive relationships is a feature and not a bug for fundies.

Since Gothard himself is a confirmed pedo I don't think it's tinfoil at all to assume him advocating kids not be given even basic sex ed is to make them easier to abuse. He's a pedo leading a cult that seems to attract other pedos like flies to dog shit.
 
One of the reasons child sex abuse is so rampant in religious circles is not just the shielding children from sex so that they don't know what it is, but also that they teach it to be inherently shameful and sinful when they do know what it is. Pedos know to use this to their advantage. You had a penis in you, everyone in church will know you're a slut. Your dick got hard when I touched it, everyone will know you're gay. It's just another layer of the manipulation and scare tactics to get the kids to stay quiet.
 
I agree. Are pedophiles born or made? I think being born with a certain proclivity for it is necessary, and I think you can be made into one if you have that.

Josh was born with a potential attraction to children, and then kept sheltered from sexuality so severely that I think he basically got super excited by any sneaky peep of something wrong, and then just got more and more interested in worse and worse and more "off-limits" content: touching his sisters, porn of increasing extremes, cheating on his wife and raping a porn star prostitute, cheese pizza, and then violent cheese pizza (DD).

What's the next progression in that timeline of degeneracy? Personally raping a child.
According to our resident pedo expert, they're born. At least as far as I can remember. @Secret Asshole
 
His oldest daughter is 11 and his second youngest is 5. The sisters he molested were also in that age range, as were the kids being raped in the cp he watched. He also had a cousin of Anna's Michelle's living with them earlier this year as a mother's helper. I think she was around 11-12. No word of her after the arrest but she was probably quietly sent packing.

I really, really, really hope I'm wrong, but I think it would be a miracle if he hasn't done horrible things to them.
Hey now, the judge just thought that EVEN IF Josh were to escalate and molest children as studies time and time again show pedos are wont to do, especially after they reach a stage where they’re watching violent CP, that STILL doesn’t mean he’d molest his OWN KIDS while on house arrest! They’re HIS kids! Your garden variety pedo wouldn’t do that, it would be incest! And Josh is the very last person who would resort to- oh wait.
 
One of the reasons child sex abuse is so rampant in religious circles is not just the shielding children from sex so that they don't know what it is, but also that they teach it to be inherently shameful and sinful when they do know what it is. Pedos know to use this to their advantage. You had a penis in you, everyone in church will know you're a slut. Your dick got hard when I touched it, everyone will know you're gay. It's just another layer of the manipulation and scare tactics to get the kids to stay quiet.
It's not just an empty threat though, it's actually true. Members of their community look down on the molested sisters far more than they do Josh. They 100% see Josh as the victim who was tempted by his sisters and unable to resist, instead of as a predator taking advantage of younger, vulnerable family members. Even now I'm sure they have excuses for why he's still the victim. If not the ridiculous story about the big, black pedo boogeyman, then it's how the mere existence of this porn tempted him. Some shit like that.
 
It's not just an empty threat though, it's actually true. Members of their community look down on the molested sisters far more than they do Josh. They 100% see Josh as the victim who was tempted by his sisters and unable to resist, instead of as a predator taking advantage of younger, vulnerable family members. Even now I'm sure they have excuses for why he's still the victim. If not the ridiculous story about the big, black pedo boogeyman, then it's how the mere existence of this porn tempted him. Some shit like that.
I am reminded of Elizabeth Smart's memoir, after she is first assaulted by her kidnapper, her first thoughts were about how her church and abstinence based sex-ed had repeatedly told her that sexual contact before marriage, even done to you against your will, meant you were damaged goods and would never be worth anything to anyone. And that being assaulted was always your fault, that you did something to entice the pedo or didn't fight back hard enough, etc.

I guess with all the pedos that exist in religious institutions and have their behavior covered up and excused, all the victim blaming makes sense though.
 
I am reminded of Elizabeth Smart's memoir, after she is first assaulted by her kidnapper, her first thoughts were about how her church and abstinence based sex-ed had repeatedly told her that sexual contact before marriage, even done to you against your will, meant you were damaged goods and would never be worth anything to anyone. And that being assaulted was always your fault, that you did something to entice the pedo or didn't fight back hard enough, etc.

I guess with all the pedos that exist in religious institutions and have their behavior covered up and excused, all the victim blaming makes sense though.
Like a piece of gum. No one wants ABC gum. Disgusting, the way abstinece only sex-ed works in the home or school.
 
Like a piece of gum. No one wants ABC gum. Disgusting, the way abstinece only sex-ed works in the home or school.
Even public schools in conservative areas sometimes include kids being told gross metaphors like that as part of abstinence only BS. People wonder why so many girls are trooning out now when even in public schools they get told stupid shit like women who have any kind of sexual contact before marriage are trash.

I think a lot of people underestimate how much power fundies still have in more conservative areas. Thunderdome hates when I point that out but it's true, the more rural and red you get, the more power fundies have over local government.

Doesn't Jim Bob still have tons of buddies in Arkansas government? I feel like the main reason Josh was even arrested in the first place was because it was the feds that busted him, not anyone local.
 
Even public schools in conservative areas sometimes include kids being told gross metaphors like that as part of abstinence only BS. People wonder why so many girls are trooning out now when even in public schools they get told stupid shit like women who have any kind of sexual contact before marriage are trash.

I think a lot of people underestimate how much power fundies still have in more conservative areas. Thunderdome hates when I point that out but it's true, the more rural and red you get, the more power fundies have over local government.

Doesn't Jim Bob still have tons of buddies in Arkansas government? I feel like the main reason Josh was even arrested in the first place was because it was the feds that busted him, not anyone local.
In Appalachia there are still churches that pass around venomous snakes. If the snake bites you and you die, it was god's will. West Virginia is the only state where snake handling in church is still legal.
 
This is 100% metal and preferable to anything the IFB does.
That said, I feel sorry for the poor snakes getting stressed out and exposed to god knows what diseases. Venomous snakes have it hard enough as it is without getting harassed and manhandled by insane, loud fundies.

Fun fact: north american venomous snake species tend not to be aggressive and usually only bite is repeatedly harassed or in immediate danger. So the assholes that got bit were probably being particularly rough with the snakes or handling snakes that had already been handled way too much.

Still, I guess it's better than the fundies that just kill snakes because they think the bible said they're evil (yes this is a thing people actually do).
 
Even public schools in conservative areas sometimes include kids being told gross metaphors like that as part of abstinence only BS.
Grew up attending a public school in a conservative area. Here's some things I remember them teaching us in sex-ed:

-Masturbation will make you go blind.
-Females cannot orgasm or experience any form of pleasure from sex, and never feel arousal.
-Males can only have a set number of orgasms during their lifetimes, and once they've used them all up, they can never cum again.
-It is very common to get pregnant from swimming pools (Not from banging in a swimming pool, but apparently guys ejaculate constantly in the water and if a girl gets into the pool the sperm will swim up in her and her eggs will do a pregante.)
-A woman can get pregnant from giving or receiving oral sex.
-Condoms do not protect against STDs at all and rarely prevent pregnancy.
-It is impossible to get an STD as long as you are married to the person you are having sex with.
-Homosexual intercourse is physically impossible.
-No one is gay, it's just a phase you go through when you are angry with your dad.
-If a woman gets pregnant before marriage, the likelihood of the baby having birth defects increases dramatically.
-If you get an abortion, they will remove all your reproductive organs and you will never be able to have a baby in the future.
-Birth control does not prevent pregnancy or help with menstrual pain, it will just give you Cancer.

ETA: Oh, and the clitoris doesn't exist, either.
 
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Grew up attending a public school in a conservative area. Here's some things I remember them teaching us in sex-ed:

-Masturbation will make you go blind.
-Females cannot orgasm or experience any form of pleasure from sex, and never feel arousal.
-Males can only have a set number of orgasms during their lifetimes, and once they've used them all up, they can never cum again.
-It is very common to get pregnant from swimming pools (Not from banging in a swimming pool, but apparently guys ejaculate constantly in the water and if a girl gets into the pool the sperm will swim up in her and her eggs will do a pregante.)
-A woman can get pregnant from giving or receiving oral sex.
-Condoms do not protect against STDs at all and rarely prevent pregnancy.
-It is impossible to get an STD as long as you are married to the person you are having sex with.
-Homosexual intercourse is physically impossible.
-No one is gay, it's just a phase you go through when you are angry with your dad.
-If a woman gets pregnant before marriage, the likelihood of the baby having birth defects increases dramatically.
-If you get an abortion, they will remove all your reproductive organs and you will never be able to have a baby in the future.
-Birth control does not prevent pregnancy or help with menstrual pain, it will just give you Cancer.

ETA: Oh, and the clitoris doesn't exist, either.
Damn, now I feel lucky. The worst I got was that condoms don't protect against HIV (or anything but they really emphasized them doing nothing against HIV), that women have no sex drive and have sex only to bond emotionally with their partners, and no mention of the clitoris or and discussion of birth control pills beyond exaggerated failure rates. Also, they straight up weren't allowed to talk about homosexuality, abortion, or masturbation beyond providing a definition.

We did have the "evolution is a theory not a fact" stickers in the science textbooks tho.

My sister said one of her teachers told them if you have too much buttsex you'll have to wear diapers, fun times. That might not be true, but I know it is true that popping out too many babies can end with you in diapers. Lord only the flood that happens whenever Meech laughs or sneezes :heart-empty:
 
Damn, now I feel lucky. The worst I got was that condoms don't protect against HIV (or anything but they really emphasized them doing nothing against HIV), that women have no sex drive and have sex only to bond emotionally with their partners, and no mention of the clitoris or and discussion of birth control pills beyond exaggerated failure rates. Also, they straight up weren't allowed to talk about homosexuality, abortion, or masturbation beyond providing a definition.

We did have the "evolution is a theory not a fact" stickers in the science textbooks tho.

My sister said one of her teachers told them if you have too much buttsex you'll have to wear diapers, fun times. That might not be true, but I know it is true that popping out too many babies can end with you in diapers. Lord only the flood that happens whenever Meech laughs or sneezes :heart-empty:
Mine was similar to yours. Even the evolution textbooks. We also had something called the "Starburst game" where if you got a certain color Starburst, then you got such and such disease from not being abstinent. Red Starburst was AIDS, orange was regret, can't remember pink and yellow short that one was other STDs. The other thing I remember was this tale about a girl with a tongue piercing getting scabies in her mouth from oral sex. Incidentally, I found out what a clit was through fanfiction because it was not mentioned period. I don't think it was even on our diagrams of female anatomy.

No wonder so many kids go to porn or the internet in general for sex ed if they have this shit for their "education." I was lucky that I was given a book on female puberty at a young age (one that didn't do that "people with vagina shit" because this was over 20 years ago) before my "proper" sex ed classes.
 
Mine was similar to yours. Even the evolution textbooks. We also had something called the "Starburst game" where if you got a certain color Starburst, then you got such and such disease from not being abstinent. Red Starburst was AIDS, orange was regret, can't remember pink and yellow short that one was other STDs. The other thing I remember was this tale about a girl with a tongue piercing getting scabies in her mouth from oral sex. Incidentally, I found out what a clit was through fanfiction because it was not mentioned period. I don't think it was even on our diagrams of female anatomy.

No wonder so many kids go to porn or the internet in general for sex ed if they have this shit for their "education." I was lucky that I was given a book on female puberty at a young age (one that didn't do that "people with vagina shit" because this was over 20 years ago) before my "proper" sex ed classes.
Yeah I don't remember the clit being on any of the anatomy diagrams we got either. They went over the uterus, ovaries, etc but I think I also first learned about the clit from fanfiction. Wonder why they left it out in sex ed🤔

We did get told about period though, which is more than some kids with really extreme fundie parents get at least. I've heard horror stories about girls being told nothing and then freaking out and then treated badly because of bodily functions they have zero control over.

I wonder what, if anything, the Duggar kids get? I'd imagine anything they're told is wrapped in a heavy emphasis that if they do anything sexual before marriage they'll burn in hell forever and everyone will hate them (unless they're a dude who raped his sisters).
 
This is 100% metal and preferable to anything the IFB does.
I’ve always thought snake handing churches deserved some credit. Church is boring af. Deciding to dance around with poisonous snakes until someone fucking dies certainly is a way to make Sunday mornings interesting. Way better than listening to some old man drone on for an hour about Jesus.

If they played Black Sabbath or Motörhead during that snake handling sessions those churches would be packed. Trailer park meth heads would be scalping tickets for that shit on Sunday.
 
I’ve always thought snake handing churches deserved some credit. Church is boring af. Deciding to dance around with poisonous snakes until someone fucking dies certainly is a way to make Sunday mornings interesting. Way better than listening to some old man drone on for an hour about Jesus.

If they played Black Sabbath or Motörhead during that snake handling sessions those churches would be packed. Trailer park meth heads would be scalping tickets for that shit on Sunday.
I would definitely be a regular attendee.
 
Sex ed in my school was just, "Don't have sex before marriage. Doing so makes you suicidal and heartbroken. Wanna learn about syphilis, kids?!" Learned more about sex just browsing Wikipedia after school. Even DARE was more educational.

The teacher walked around the class with a paper heart, pleading that we don't have sex before marriage. It was hilarious.
 
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