Science Psilocybin temporarily dissolves brain networks - Cool, ego death!

  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
Source: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/psilocybin-brain-networks
Archive: https://archive.is/frdMF

Psilocybin temporarily dissolves brain networks​

Normal synchronous behavior returns a day later
By Laura Sanders

Inside your skull, your brain hums along with its own unique pattern of activity, a neural fingerprint that’s yours and yours alone. A heavy dose of psilocybin temporarily wipes the prints clean.
The psychedelic drug psilocybin dramatically changes how collections of nerve cells work in the brain, eliminating normal communication between brain regions, a new brain scanning study published July 17 in Nature shows. These brain images, taken before, during and after a high dose of psilocybin, expand the understanding of the drug’s effects, which is being studied for its promise in treating mental health disorders such as depression.

The brain scanning protocol researchers used was intense. “We had a small number of people, just seven participants in the whole study, but an enormous amount of data on each one,” says Joshua Siegel, a neuroscientist and psychiatrist at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. Each person underwent about 18 functional MRI brain scans, one roughly every other day, over the course of the study.

That repeated scanning gives “an unprecedented view on how brain connectivity evolves after a dose of psilocybin,” says Alex Kwan, a neuroscientist at Cornell University who wasn’t involved in the study.

In the first part of the experiment, Siegel and colleagues recorded each person’s baseline brain activity, the unique patterns that emerge much like a fingerprint’s whorls, loops and arches when a person simply rests.

Later in the study, researchers gave participants 25 milligrams of psilocybin, a key ingredient in some hallucinogenic mushrooms, and watched what happened in the scanner. On a different day, for comparison, each participant also got a dose of methylphenidate, the generic form of Ritalin, a stimulant that affects the brain.

The effects of psilocybin were obvious, and big. “Psilocybin had humongous acute effects on the human brain,” says Nico Dosenbach, a neuroscientist also at Washington University School of Medicine. “Way, way, way bigger than the active control,” the methylphenidate.

Some of the biggest changes were in a brain system known as the default mode network, or DMN. This coordinated group of brain regions is active when nothing particular is happening. Scientists think that the DMN has a role in creating our sense of self (SN: 7/3/09). “It’s multiple parts of the brain across both hemispheres, but they’re all activating and deactivating in a very organized, synchronous way,” Siegel says. “And with psilocybin, it essentially becomes chaos.”

1721683495515.png

Dosenbach can attest that the drug causes a loss of sense of self. Along with being a researcher on the study, he was one of the seven study participants, giving him an unusual perspective on psilocybin’s effects on the brain. “You read about it, and you think about it and then you experience it, and you’re like, ‘Wow, that’s even more real.’”

Signs of those experiences showed up in the MRI scans. The team saw that psilocybin seemed to wipe clean the participants’ neural fingerprints. Dosenbach has an analogy to explain the brain changes in the scans: “You’d be like, ‘That is my face, and that is your face.’ And then you took a medicine, and we both had a puppy face — very similar, but very different from our normal faces.”

A day after taking the drug, most of psilocybin’s brain changes were gone, Siegel says. But one change persisted for three weeks. There was diminished coordination between the DMN and a part of the hippocampus, a structure involved in memory. Researchers don’t yet know how long this change might last, how it affects the brain overall or if it could hint at psilocybin’s therapeutic effects. It was not present in data from four of the participants who came in for scans six to 12 months later, but the study didn’t have enough data to say with certainty that it was gone.

The findings add to earlier work that sought to understand how psychedelic drugs change brains and show that the effects are far from simple. “Psilocybin is not simply tuning brain activity up or down,” Kwan says. “The results paint a more complex and nuanced picture for how psychedelics change neural activity dynamics than previously thought.”

Recent studies point to the promise of psychedelic drugs as therapies for depression, post-traumatic stress disorder, addiction and more (SN: 12/3/21). Understanding how these drugs affect the brain in the hours, days and months after taking it may lead to better treatments for some of these disorders.
 
Interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience. I am prone to similar thought patterns and have been struggling a lot with them recently. I've thought about mushrooms before, but I'm afraid of permanently screwing up my mind as others have mentioned. I think I might look more into it again after reading this.
You're probably not going to screw up your brain. The only people I know who have fucked their brain from hallucinogens are people who did shit like take them every day for years. I'm not even sure how they could handle that to be honest. I know one guy who completely fucked himself up taking DMT every day. He's literally nuts now and lives in a made up delusional world.
 
I wouldn't touch these myself, but I'm a sober guy, been all my life. Only prescribed small dose Lexapro a year ago for anxiety (doing the job there, I can tell if I forget to take it after a while).

My mom told me she had a relative who turned outright dangerous after a bad time experimenting with drugs, think short fused temper, but extra violent. He had to be institutionalized. I don't know what drug per se, how much, what the environment was, but whatever it was made his brain make bad connections after. I'm not sure when this happened, but I'm guessing 60's or 70's (decades my mom grew up in). I wonder what drug it would have been.
 
EDIT: Thinking about it a bit more I think I realize what I was sorta thinking. Could this be used to try and enhance/facilitate Brain-Machine Interfaces by "dissolving" the networks, putting the electrodes and connectors and then letting the high wear off so when the networks "reform" they try and connect with the new access points? Does this make any sense whatsoever or am I tripping? Academics please respond.
look up glial encapsulation. The brain rejects foreign bodies pretty quickly.
 
Why is losing a sense of self supposed to be a good thing, anyway? "Ooh, muh jungle savage ego death" --Joe Rogan

Honor is a respect for what is due to others, and especially to oneself. You literally cannot be a good person without knowing who you are.

The loss of sense of self can allow some people to view themselves, as a gestalt, objectively, and it can change the way they view themselves. I think a major question is whether this "change" is the result of an alternation is neuroprocessing and circuit level interaction/activity, or does it indeed require it to be experienced on a conscious, mental level, for it to happen?

I'd be interested in studies where a sedation is used that won't interfere with the process that shrooms induce in the brain, and see if the people still experience the same effect. If they do, then it proves its strictly a neurophysiological process that is occurring, and the "trip" itself is not part of the therapeutic effect. However, if there is absolutely no response to it under non-interfering sedation, that would prove that the experience of the trip, and the processing of that experience as a conscious mind, is required for it to work. Something along these lines is an hot area of current research. They are working on coming up with analogues that appear to work the same as traditional hallucinogenic, by modulating neural activity, without the trip, to see if it is possible. However, it may be that the modulatory activity that has a therapeutic potential necessarily induces a trip as a result of the way it modulates the activity, so the "trip" may not be something that can be avoided due to the inherent nature of the neuromodulation. They're working on the same with with ketamine derivatives, but so far, they haven't had any luck.
 
I wouldn't touch these myself, but I'm a sober guy, been all my life. Only prescribed small dose Lexapro a year ago for anxiety (doing the job there, I can tell if I forget to take it after a while).

My mom told me she had a relative who turned outright dangerous after a bad time experimenting with drugs, think short fused temper, but extra violent. He had to be institutionalized. I don't know what drug per se, how much, what the environment was, but whatever it was made his brain make bad connections after. I'm not sure when this happened, but I'm guessing 60's or 70's (decades my mom grew up in). I wonder what drug it would have been.
Could have been PCP. That stuff is notorious for making people crazy.
 
I knew a white woman who was into astrology, crystals, and hippie shit but was otherwise normal. Her hippie bf convinced her to go to some spiritual retreat where they did ayahuasca.

It gave her a bad case of permanent crazy. She had some REAL weird beliefs after and started regularly hallucinating “spirits”. Her boyfriend literally, LITERALLY sobbed as he realized his hippie gf was a bit too gone.

Lol. Lmao even.

Hang around enough rehabs or with enough psychonauts, and you’ll encounter those who have gone tripping and never fully came back.

This is why I am a strong proponent of ketanserin being investigated to see if for people like this, it can break the impact it is having on their neurophysiological system. There needs to be research into an "antidote" for situations like this.

Hallucinogenics contribute to dementia.

Feel free to link to relevant studies that demonstrate such. I'd be interested in reading them.
 
Back
Top Bottom