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Source: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/psilocybin-brain-networks
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Psilocybin temporarily dissolves brain networks​

Normal synchronous behavior returns a day later
By Laura Sanders

Inside your skull, your brain hums along with its own unique pattern of activity, a neural fingerprint that’s yours and yours alone. A heavy dose of psilocybin temporarily wipes the prints clean.
The psychedelic drug psilocybin dramatically changes how collections of nerve cells work in the brain, eliminating normal communication between brain regions, a new brain scanning study published July 17 in Nature shows. These brain images, taken before, during and after a high dose of psilocybin, expand the understanding of the drug’s effects, which is being studied for its promise in treating mental health disorders such as depression.

The brain scanning protocol researchers used was intense. “We had a small number of people, just seven participants in the whole study, but an enormous amount of data on each one,” says Joshua Siegel, a neuroscientist and psychiatrist at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. Each person underwent about 18 functional MRI brain scans, one roughly every other day, over the course of the study.

That repeated scanning gives “an unprecedented view on how brain connectivity evolves after a dose of psilocybin,” says Alex Kwan, a neuroscientist at Cornell University who wasn’t involved in the study.

In the first part of the experiment, Siegel and colleagues recorded each person’s baseline brain activity, the unique patterns that emerge much like a fingerprint’s whorls, loops and arches when a person simply rests.

Later in the study, researchers gave participants 25 milligrams of psilocybin, a key ingredient in some hallucinogenic mushrooms, and watched what happened in the scanner. On a different day, for comparison, each participant also got a dose of methylphenidate, the generic form of Ritalin, a stimulant that affects the brain.

The effects of psilocybin were obvious, and big. “Psilocybin had humongous acute effects on the human brain,” says Nico Dosenbach, a neuroscientist also at Washington University School of Medicine. “Way, way, way bigger than the active control,” the methylphenidate.

Some of the biggest changes were in a brain system known as the default mode network, or DMN. This coordinated group of brain regions is active when nothing particular is happening. Scientists think that the DMN has a role in creating our sense of self (SN: 7/3/09). “It’s multiple parts of the brain across both hemispheres, but they’re all activating and deactivating in a very organized, synchronous way,” Siegel says. “And with psilocybin, it essentially becomes chaos.”

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Dosenbach can attest that the drug causes a loss of sense of self. Along with being a researcher on the study, he was one of the seven study participants, giving him an unusual perspective on psilocybin’s effects on the brain. “You read about it, and you think about it and then you experience it, and you’re like, ‘Wow, that’s even more real.’”

Signs of those experiences showed up in the MRI scans. The team saw that psilocybin seemed to wipe clean the participants’ neural fingerprints. Dosenbach has an analogy to explain the brain changes in the scans: “You’d be like, ‘That is my face, and that is your face.’ And then you took a medicine, and we both had a puppy face — very similar, but very different from our normal faces.”

A day after taking the drug, most of psilocybin’s brain changes were gone, Siegel says. But one change persisted for three weeks. There was diminished coordination between the DMN and a part of the hippocampus, a structure involved in memory. Researchers don’t yet know how long this change might last, how it affects the brain overall or if it could hint at psilocybin’s therapeutic effects. It was not present in data from four of the participants who came in for scans six to 12 months later, but the study didn’t have enough data to say with certainty that it was gone.

The findings add to earlier work that sought to understand how psychedelic drugs change brains and show that the effects are far from simple. “Psilocybin is not simply tuning brain activity up or down,” Kwan says. “The results paint a more complex and nuanced picture for how psychedelics change neural activity dynamics than previously thought.”

Recent studies point to the promise of psychedelic drugs as therapies for depression, post-traumatic stress disorder, addiction and more (SN: 12/3/21). Understanding how these drugs affect the brain in the hours, days and months after taking it may lead to better treatments for some of these disorders.
 
I wish it was less common for people to need drugs in order to think such thoughts.

Depression is fucked.
It wasn't so much depression as a pattern of thinking and behaviour I'd gotten into. Mushrooms are good for that because it breaks that pattern. It's not like it's impossible to change your mindset without them, it just speeds up the process and helps you be aware of the pattern to begin with.
 
It wasn't so much depression as a pattern of thinking and behaviour I'd gotten into. Mushrooms are good for that because it breaks that pattern. It's not like it's impossible to change your mindset without them, it just speeds up the process and helps you be aware of the pattern to begin with.
I'm not against anyone doing whatever drugs they have to, prescribed or not, in order to have a normal, healthy outlook on life.

I'm here to shit on people who think using makes them brilliant and special, not people who seek and gain medicinal benefit from gross mushrooms or what have you.
 
Oh so this is up there with Kinsey jerking off to child porn?
It’s not as demonic as that, Kinsey should have been hanged .
So not bad per se as in morally bad but ‘uh yeah like the really pure stuff dude and yeah I’ll be subject four’ doesn’t exactly say scientific impartiality and rigour.
Fun fact: you can buy absolutely pure heroin and almost anything else you want out of the Sigma chemical catalogue, as long as you’ve got the right licence.
 
Then give Joe Biden a megadose of shrooms.

Absolutely nothing to lose and so many possibilities.
Dude Joe Biden's probably high as a fucking kite and people just take it as him being demented. He's an old fuck and president of the USA they just assume that shit of people in that combo position. Too many mushrooms.
 
This is perhaps why indigenous tribes that use psychedelics administer them through a shaman. The shaman is supposed to be the tether to reality while the patient going through the ritual trips balls and is having their mind melted.
 
This is perhaps why indigenous tribes that use psychedelics administer them through a shaman. The shaman is supposed to be the tether to reality while the patient going through the ritual trips balls and is having their mind melted.
It's less a "perhaps" why and more a 100% why. That and the religion/rite of passage angle. People living like that aren't always living that way due to retardation, unlike what urban bugmen like to push it as while framing people who see them as noble or brave whatever as the actual racists.
 
As an experiment, I've always wanted to know what it's like to trip balls and what I would be like as a person afterwards...
its mostly self described cures. done both. while micodosing does feel better. i'd say it works about as well as drinking a couple beers or smoking a joint. like the reason it migh help depression or anxiety is that it can "take the edge off" but i wouldn't say you're a changed person even if you took 6g+. its like saying you're a changed person after an amazing orgasm, not really but it will certainly feel that way for the rest of the day.
s, along with "microdosing" amounts that would likely cause threshold effects in some people,
it should really tell you how bullshit "microdosing" is when even the "its a medicine bro!" true believers say even taking 250mg every other day is too much of their magical brain curing medicine. to put it in perspective, imagine if you heard someone was "microdosing" alcohol and then found out by that he meant having a shot of light beer about once a week.
The idea that something can just soak in and fundamentally change your person is horrific to me.
if you have a low sense of self like an NPC it probably works fine. like that person said, mushrooms giving enough of a push to let someone obviously in a bad situation realize they can fix it while good, could have also been done if he talked to someone or drank some booze or took any other drug or even just stayed away from friends and family for awhile. I know a straight edge person that still argues thats 99% of why people who get 5150'd feel better and that its not the drugs, which makes sense because whatever might trigger someone into taking their own life isnt going to be there once they're inside a safe controlled environment.
 
Oh no, I was right again. You faggots who thinks taking poisonous mushrooms every day is perfectly safe are retarded. Gotta microdose though! Gotta fend off depressing thoughts and min/max productivity! Who cares if it burns my neural networks to fucking mush.

If you need drugs to function, you are a retarded faggot. Stop buying this pharmaceutical grift already. But hey! If you want to know where the big lie is, it's here:

Normal synchronous behavior returns a day later
 
More motivated with important things, less motivated with unimportant things. More willing to do things I wanted to do but wouldn't because of reasons.

No. It was more of a 'life is good, things aren't so bad, being alive is great, I love my family and wife and things may not be perfect but I'm alive and I should keep working hard to make life better.'

It also helped with worrying about shit. I would worry constantly about things out of my control or things I couldn't change. I was constantly stressed about all kinds of shit I shouldn't have been. It pretty much stopped that and it never really came back.

It wasn't so much depression as a pattern of thinking and behaviour I'd gotten into. Mushrooms are good for that because it breaks that pattern. It's not like it's impossible to change your mindset without them, it just speeds up the process and helps you be aware of the pattern to begin with.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience. I am prone to similar thought patterns and have been struggling a lot with them recently. I've thought about mushrooms before, but I'm afraid of permanently screwing up my mind as others have mentioned. I think I might look more into it again after reading this.
 
Oh no, I was right again. You faggots who thinks taking poisonous mushrooms every day is perfectly safe are retarded. Gotta microdose though! Gotta fend off depressing thoughts and min/max productivity! Who cares if it burns my neural networks to fucking mush.

If you need drugs to function, you are a retarded faggot. Stop buying this pharmaceutical grift already. But hey! If you want to know where the big lie is, it's here:
Don't be a spastic.

Taking magic mushroom isn't like getting pissed up on a weekend or sniffing coke at work everyday. This is a therapy/medication, like taking antibiotics to cure an infection. The psilocybin removes the fog so that people can see clearly that they are depressed/anxious/have PTSD so that they can start working on it.

The first stage of grief and trauma is denial. If chewing mushrooms or sipping microdosed shroom tea can help people overcome the first, and hardest, hurdle, then I'm all for it.

PL: I'm a veteran, retired a good few years back. The vast majority of front-line squaddies turn to drugs and alcohol when they leave the forces, most do it because of trauma or PTSD from what they've been through. If those who served their country can be given one hit of mushrooms or a weeks' worth of tea to drink and it helps them, how the fuck can anyone be against that?
 
If those who served their country can be given one hit of mushrooms or a weeks' worth of tea to drink and it helps them, how the fuck can anyone be against that?
If you want to gamble old age dementia by repeatedly burning the neural networks in your brain, by all means, be my guest. I'm not going to allow you to sell this lie to others though under the guise that it's safe. And something tells me that I know far more about the human brain than you do.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience. I am prone to similar thought patterns and have been struggling a lot with them recently. I've thought about mushrooms before, but I'm afraid of permanently screwing up my mind as others have mentioned. I think I might look more into it again after reading this.
You should be and you will. The real danger of psychedelics is that they fuck with your brain in ways you don't realize. You won't notice anything wrong in your behavior until someone points out your change in attitude.

The reality is every time you take a brain altering substance, even in a microdose you're changing the chemical make-up in your brain. Fucking with the brain is never a positive. We've known this for decades, it's only recently being pushed because it's a great industry to milk retards for money and take advantage of young people's retarded min/max lifestyles. Maybe you'll feel some benefit for it. But you won't understand what you're sacrificing until years, possibly decades later. Bottom line is, don't fuck with hallucinogenics.
 
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I think psilocybin mushrooms reorganize your brain to make you think they're amazing so that you go and get other people to try them, who then think they're amazing, as a survival strategy to ensure their survival as a companion species.

I don't trust fungus.
 
If you want to gamble old age dementia by repeatedly burning the neural networks in your brain, by all means, be my guest.
Nigger, lern 2 reed. I just said PTSD, Trauma, Depression and anxiety. Dementia has nothing to do with it.

I'm not going to allow you to sell this lie to others though under the guise that it's safe.
lol, lmao even. There are a lot of studies that show not only is this safe, but it's successfully being used to cure ailments.

And something tells me that I know far more about the human brain than you do.
Well done, you win brain knowing. You sound like a shyster 'therapist' who is worried that his mental little pay-piggies who you use for easy cash, will take shrooms and cure themselves without 'professional' help.

Not that it matters. Any fag on the internet who throws claims of knowing more about X than a stranger are almost always niggerfaggots.
 
I knew a white woman who was into astrology, crystals, and hippie shit but was otherwise normal. Her hippie bf convinced her to go to some spiritual retreat where they did ayahuasca.

It gave her a bad case of permanent crazy. She had some REAL weird beliefs after and started regularly hallucinating “spirits”. Her boyfriend literally, LITERALLY sobbed as he realized his hippie gf was a bit too gone.

Lol. Lmao even.

Hang around enough rehabs or with enough psychonauts, and you’ll encounter those who have gone tripping and never fully came back.
 
I think psilocybin mushrooms reorganize your brain to make you think they're amazing so that you go and get other people to try them, who then think they're amazing, as a survival strategy to ensure their survival as a companion species.

I don't trust fungus.
You shouldn't. Hell, alcohol does the exact same thing.

Nigger, lern 2 reed. I just said PTSD, Trauma, Depression and anxiety. Dementia has nothing to do with it.
Hallucinogenics contribute to dementia.

lol, lmao even. There are a lot of studies that show not only is this safe, but it's successfully being used to cure ailments.
And there's hundred of older studies proving it's not.
 
I mean, I kind of knew something like this was happening each time I would do "heroic" doses of shrooms four times a year. I integrated it into meditation and reflection, specifically, reflecting on qualities that I disliked and qualities that I liked about myself in a metaphysical self. "I'm too angry, I'm too defeatist, etc." or even goals like changing my physical appearance. The most recent trip I spent with my ex and started to see "auras" but none around them. When I touched I felt cold and I asked them if they cheated, they said yes, I laughed and continued into lala land. There's been a lot of just supernatural coincidences while tripping but I can't tell if it is just because my brain is firing faster than when I'm sober or paranormal. It is that inability to discern the difference that, IMO, could become a problem.

Not to mention shrooms builds tolerance very quickly which could lead to folks who do it recreationally to leap to other drugs. That's the part that worries me about legalized shrooms, it is a ritual drug not a party drug.
 
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