Science Psilocybin temporarily dissolves brain networks - Cool, ego death!

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Source: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/psilocybin-brain-networks
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Psilocybin temporarily dissolves brain networks​

Normal synchronous behavior returns a day later
By Laura Sanders

Inside your skull, your brain hums along with its own unique pattern of activity, a neural fingerprint that’s yours and yours alone. A heavy dose of psilocybin temporarily wipes the prints clean.
The psychedelic drug psilocybin dramatically changes how collections of nerve cells work in the brain, eliminating normal communication between brain regions, a new brain scanning study published July 17 in Nature shows. These brain images, taken before, during and after a high dose of psilocybin, expand the understanding of the drug’s effects, which is being studied for its promise in treating mental health disorders such as depression.

The brain scanning protocol researchers used was intense. “We had a small number of people, just seven participants in the whole study, but an enormous amount of data on each one,” says Joshua Siegel, a neuroscientist and psychiatrist at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. Each person underwent about 18 functional MRI brain scans, one roughly every other day, over the course of the study.

That repeated scanning gives “an unprecedented view on how brain connectivity evolves after a dose of psilocybin,” says Alex Kwan, a neuroscientist at Cornell University who wasn’t involved in the study.

In the first part of the experiment, Siegel and colleagues recorded each person’s baseline brain activity, the unique patterns that emerge much like a fingerprint’s whorls, loops and arches when a person simply rests.

Later in the study, researchers gave participants 25 milligrams of psilocybin, a key ingredient in some hallucinogenic mushrooms, and watched what happened in the scanner. On a different day, for comparison, each participant also got a dose of methylphenidate, the generic form of Ritalin, a stimulant that affects the brain.

The effects of psilocybin were obvious, and big. “Psilocybin had humongous acute effects on the human brain,” says Nico Dosenbach, a neuroscientist also at Washington University School of Medicine. “Way, way, way bigger than the active control,” the methylphenidate.

Some of the biggest changes were in a brain system known as the default mode network, or DMN. This coordinated group of brain regions is active when nothing particular is happening. Scientists think that the DMN has a role in creating our sense of self (SN: 7/3/09). “It’s multiple parts of the brain across both hemispheres, but they’re all activating and deactivating in a very organized, synchronous way,” Siegel says. “And with psilocybin, it essentially becomes chaos.”

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Dosenbach can attest that the drug causes a loss of sense of self. Along with being a researcher on the study, he was one of the seven study participants, giving him an unusual perspective on psilocybin’s effects on the brain. “You read about it, and you think about it and then you experience it, and you’re like, ‘Wow, that’s even more real.’”

Signs of those experiences showed up in the MRI scans. The team saw that psilocybin seemed to wipe clean the participants’ neural fingerprints. Dosenbach has an analogy to explain the brain changes in the scans: “You’d be like, ‘That is my face, and that is your face.’ And then you took a medicine, and we both had a puppy face — very similar, but very different from our normal faces.”

A day after taking the drug, most of psilocybin’s brain changes were gone, Siegel says. But one change persisted for three weeks. There was diminished coordination between the DMN and a part of the hippocampus, a structure involved in memory. Researchers don’t yet know how long this change might last, how it affects the brain overall or if it could hint at psilocybin’s therapeutic effects. It was not present in data from four of the participants who came in for scans six to 12 months later, but the study didn’t have enough data to say with certainty that it was gone.

The findings add to earlier work that sought to understand how psychedelic drugs change brains and show that the effects are far from simple. “Psilocybin is not simply tuning brain activity up or down,” Kwan says. “The results paint a more complex and nuanced picture for how psychedelics change neural activity dynamics than previously thought.”

Recent studies point to the promise of psychedelic drugs as therapies for depression, post-traumatic stress disorder, addiction and more (SN: 12/3/21). Understanding how these drugs affect the brain in the hours, days and months after taking it may lead to better treatments for some of these disorders.
 
All this reminds me of something I've heard from a couple hippies and other spiritual types; namely, that consciousness isn't really a thing. It's a phenomenon. So if you fully stop consciousness, then a new process starts.
One lady explained it as the original soul leaving the body and another one coming in.
A different guy explained it like a computer turning off and restarting.
Another one said our bodies are like radios and we pick up "signals" from somewhere else.
That's sort of sounding like a phenomenological concept that's been known about for thousands of years; I think it's called possession.
 
I once experienced ego death after a mega dose of salvia divinorum extract. It was not fun. 15 minutes turned into an eternity of what seemed to be my entire self dissolving into nothingness while still remaining conscious. Do you know what it's like still inhabiting a body and experiencing sensation without identity, memory or preconceived perception? Utterly fucking terrifying is what. I'm glad my meditative training kicked in and I just focused on breathing and letting go of everything, otherwise I probably would have thrown myself out the window or attacked my mirror or something in fight or flight animal impulse.

Shit ain't something to play around with.
 
I don't understand people that do these drugs and I've done them probably every other year for a decade. I've never once had these life altering experiences. Ram Dass' guru took psychedelics and basically said yeah, that's far out, man but you'll never reach a true enlightened consciousness using them. It could be a tool that teaches the less spiritually inclined a path towards enlightenment, but it will never give you the answers. It's almost like a placebo - anyone who has not actually done the work will never benefit from taking shrooms longer than the trip which will become a faded memory of something "far out, man". Or you continue to microdose everyday chasing this dragon pretty much exactly how anyone on SSRIs would.

I also dislike when people ascribe meaning to their psychosis induced hallucinations rather than understand how powerful your brain could truly be outside of the scope of this trip. It's always "and then their face turned into a dog and it was sooo trippy" but it's never how this drug created the environment for your brain to experience psychosis and what that means. That's the work very few of these types of people never do as they leave it up to the scientists to figure it out and tell them. But no one needs to tell you when you're shown it, it's up to you to define it and if you define it as merely "feeling happy" then that's all it will ever be.

There's a reason why traditionally psychedelics were used by shaman and spiritual types - they weren't prescribing some drug to feel better, they acted as therapists by having a greater understanding of the human condition. They developed that through years of inner work, not taking the most amount of drugs. But they knew most would never attain what they understood and that these drugs opened the path a bit quicker towards that enlightenment.

The original grandfather's of this movement in the west - if they didn't stop taking the drugs, they ended up basically dieing alone. Those who stopped generally died surrounded by people who admired them.
 
I once experienced ego death after a mega dose of salvia divinorum extract. It was not fun. 15 minutes turned into an eternity of what seemed to be my entire self dissolving into nothingness while still remaining conscious. Do you know what it's like still inhabiting a body and experiencing sensation without identity, memory or preconceived perception? Utterly fucking terrifying is what. I'm glad my meditative training kicked in and I just focused on breathing and letting go of everything, otherwise I probably would have thrown myself out the window or attacked my mirror or something in fight or flight animal impulse.

Shit ain't something to play around with.
One of my favorite pastimes is watching bad salvia trips on youtube it is highly entertaining. I was offered it once before I was even a teenager and really thankful it never came to fruition.

Also drugs are gay and putting drugs near your person is like putting a penis to your lips.
 
I don't understand people that do these drugs and I've done them probably every other year for a decade.
I am not going to PL too much but I have done a lot of hallucinogens and never had experiences like those that are described in these articles.

I honestly think a lot of it is getting vulnerable people to start taking shit that is far more potent than is studied.

You see it with pot. The potency of pot and especially the potency of edibles is so far above what was studied that it is absurd that it is going unchecked.

They want that for shrooms because it has the ability to cripple people mentally. They want people addicted. Why else allow fent into everything? Kill some hook everyone else. I am shocked it is not showing up in Big Macs.
 
The idea that something can just soak in and fundamentally change your person is horrific to me. That people celebrate it shows just how lost some people are.
 
Also, based on what I see online, all psychedelics do is make you think you're much smarter and wiser than you actually are, and alcohol already does that with less dangerous and permanent side effects.
Bruh like. People should be nice to one another! We're all interconnected!

What do you mean "basic bitch platitudes" I'm at the forefront of philosophy here!
 
Why is losing a sense of self supposed to be a good thing, anyway? "Ooh, muh jungle savage ego death" --Joe Rogan

Honor is a respect for what is due to others, and especially to oneself. You literally cannot be a good person without knowing who you are.
 
It's terrifying while it's happening but afterwards was probably the most calm and content with just being alive I've ever been as a person. The feeling lasted for months too.
How did that feeling affect general motivation? Were you more motivated? Less? Was it a "I'm going to quit my job and everything will be fine" type of calm contentedness or was it more beneficial?
 
Same deal with weed.
The idea that it's totally safe for everyone with no downsides for anyone ever is very misleading.
Fuck you straight edge! I smoke it every day and it hasn't killed me yet!

Seriously though, people often don't realize how dangerous this stuff can actually get. Some of those THC products have many times more potency than the joints that the hippies of the 60s smoked.

As for me, I've had opportunities to try psychedelics like LSD or psilocybin mushrooms or whatever but I never took up the offer. I've seen a guy turn into a total spacecase because of shrooms.
 
Was it a "I'm going to quit my job and everything will be fine" type of calm contentedness or was it more beneficial?
In my experience it was beneficial. I didn't make me inclined to blow off responsibilities, even in the moment, but it helped me to realize that I don't have to get stressed or unhappy because of them.

Some problems are real and need to be dealt with (health, physical, and financial security), but they don't need to affect your inner self. Some problems are imaginary but still need to be dealt with (work type shit); no need to be stressed, pissed, or resentful while you do them and the outcome really doesn't matter in the long run. Some problems are just a self-inflicted waste of time and you can just let those go (grudges, mundane stressors, etc.).
 
How did that feeling affect general motivation? Were you more motivated? Less?
More motivated with important things, less motivated with unimportant things. More willing to do things I wanted to do but wouldn't because of reasons.
Was it a "I'm going to quit my job and everything will be fine" type of calm contentedness or was it more beneficial?
No. It was more of a 'life is good, things aren't so bad, being alive is great, I love my family and wife and things may not be perfect but I'm alive and I should keep working hard to make life better.'

It also helped with worrying about shit. I would worry constantly about things out of my control or things I couldn't change. I was constantly stressed about all kinds of shit I shouldn't have been. It pretty much stopped that and it never really came back.
 
No, Alzheimer's isn't an electrical or conductive aberration. It's a structural deterioration and then death of the gray matter by beta amyloid plaques. You can't rewire what just isn't there anymore.
The amyloid plaque thing was disproven like a year ago. It literally was a huge thing. They photoshopped a Western blot, trillions of dollars for nothing.
 
No. It was more of a 'life is good, things aren't so bad, being alive is great, I love my family and wife and things may not be perfect but I'm alive and I should keep working hard to make life better.'
I wish it was less common for people to need drugs in order to think such thoughts.

Depression is fucked.
 
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