Nolan's The Odyssey - Potentially could be epic or an epic flop.

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Sinner's Sandwich said:
Yes, the armor isn't historically correct. But did anyone expect this to be the case for a HOLLYWOOD FANTASY movie? You have to keep the audience in mind. They have to believe that the movie is set in ancient Greece and the audience's knowledge about ancient history let alone armor and fashion is fairly limited. The costumes have to be designed to be believable, not historically accurate. Sadly that also means that the costumes look shitty.
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I think that we could have something that's accurate while also being adapted (hence, the adaptation part) to be more tolerable for the audience to watch. If I'm watching the Odyssey, I want to be immersed in that era. Make the designs as described, but in a way that don't feel too alien to us. That's the point of costume or set designers. Here, they're going for the easy and cheap.

With that being said, all of these "but muh accuracy" people are just petulant. They don't care about the real historical accuracy, but about people referencing them as "the expert".
 
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Bernthal being on the same set as Holland perhaps makes me think he's gonna be one or the leader of the suitors.
 
Sinner's Sandwich said:
Yes, the armor isn't historically correct. But did anyone expect this to be the case for a HOLLYWOOD FANTASY movie? You have to keep the audience in mind. They have to believe that the movie is set in ancient Greece and the audience's knowledge about ancient history let alone armor and fashion is fairly limited. The costumes have to be designed to be believable, not historically accurate. Sadly that also means that the costumes look shitty.
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I don't expect everything to be perfectly researched down to the last minute detail but I do expect their armor to actually be bronze in the famous bronze age story. And if you are going to go with the fucking Corinthian helm so troglodytes know it's Ancient Greece you could at least make it not look incredibly cheap.
 
HeyYou said:
I don't expect everything to be perfectly researched down to the last minute detail but I do expect their armor to actually be bronze in the famous bronze age story. And if you are going to go with the fucking Corinthian helm so troglodytes know it's Ancient Greece you could at least make it not look incredibly cheap.
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I agree with you, but I am very sure that average viewer have no idea the Odyssey is bronze age.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
I agree with you, but I am very sure that average viewer have no idea the Odyssey is bronze age.
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That's why I said that even IF you're going to go for the classic Corinthian helmet from the late Archaic and Classical periods, and that's a fine interpretation if you truly stick with it since the Iliad and Odyssey were likely finalized in the late Archaic and include references from that time that would be anachronistic to the bronze age, your Corinthian helmets and breastplates can at least look good. The stuff I've seen so far looks genuinely cheap and awful. Using a northern European longship instead of a trireme while going with a classical Greek aesthetic is equally baffling.
 
HeyYou said:
That's why I said that even IF you're going to go for the classic Corinthian helmet from the late Archaic and Classical periods, and that's a fine interpretation if you truly stick with it since the Iliad and Odyssey were likely finalized in the late Archaic and include references from that time that would be anachronistic to the bronze age, your Corinthian helmets and breastplates can at least look good. The stuff I've seen so far looks genuinely cheap and awful. Using a northern European longship instead of a trireme while going with a classical Greek aesthetic is equally baffling.
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That's something Hallmark's Odyssey managed to do right. I haven't watched that movie in a long time, but it felt Greek.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
That's something Hallmark's Odyssey managed to do right. I haven't watched that movie in a long time, but it felt Greek.
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Even the Troy movie did it well. It was completely inaccurate to actual bronze age armor (and the movie in general was a pretty bad interpretation of the Iliad, even if the Achilles and Hector fight was really good) but at least it had a consistent design language that made it seem Greek (and super ancient Greek on top of that), and the armor just generally looked really good.
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I can only hope it looks better in motion and all the really cheap armor that we've seen in the set photos is way in the back where no one can see it. I'm also really hoping this movie isn't super gray like most Nolan films, the last thing any Greek movie based on mythology should be is dark and gloomy looking.
 
HeyYou said:
I'm also really hoping this movie isn't super gray like most Nolan films
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Nolan is literally color blind and cant see a couple colors so I'm expecting gray. I imagine this movie will look a lot like Dunkirk did. Very grey/dull/dreary/rainy/mucky. Kind of like of England looks.

I don't expect or need movies to be 100% historically accurate but what I don't really get is things like using an actual old viking ship when the story isn't about vikings, like I don't see the point, not all old boats look the same and viking ships have a very specific look. Seems like a needless expense to use this antique boat just to get something that is completely anachronistic and doesn't fit the era or culture.

I am curious how Nolan, uh, nolanizes the narrative. Good or bad he likes to structure movies like a puzzle, to try and make it feel like everything is clicking together in the final moments. I am curious how he tries to do that with this story that everyone already knows.

Troy was a cool movie, underrated imo.
 
I'm not even a full Zendaya hater, she can be fine in very specific roles, but her playing Athena might be even more miscast than her as Chani. The Greek gods can obviously appear as any age they want but who is remotely going to take her seriously going up against Odysseus in the cave scene when he returns to Ithaca? She is consistently described as stately and wise looking and I don't think anyone looks at Zendaya and thinks those things. The most common epithet in the Odyssey after "cunning" Odysseus is "bright eyed" or "gray eyed" Athena as well so now I'm wondering if they're going to do contacts or just abandon the most recognizable aspect of Athena. I thought for the sure she was going to be Nausicaa, which is probably the role she'd work best in.
 
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It doesn't look that bad.

Tom Holland doesn't convince me as Telemachus. Is Bernthal one of the suitors?
 
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