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Thunderbolt Ross is Betty's father, right? I.e. dad of the girl Bruce Banner is in love with? And Biden thinks his son's dating habits are a political headache.

So this is the third casting of the character? He was different in Civil War and he was different again in The Incredible Hulk if that counts as MCU. (Different again if we count Ang Lee's Hulk but I think people exclude that one). And didn't he have some cameo at the end of one of the Iron Man movies?
Yes, Ross is Betty's father. The Ed Norton Hulk is considered the first MCU movie. He was Secretary of State Thunderbolt in Civil War but still played by William Hurt. Tony approached him at a bar in the credit scene of The Incredible Hulk.
 
i have not see falcon and the wenter solder, so is sam wilson a super soldier or just a normal guy?
Does the super soldier serum even matter? All it seems to do is just get you jacked up to peak human levels in an instant. It was revolutionary back in WW2 since you can turn a bunch of skinny chudjak looking guys (thanks to that Great Depression era diet) into a horde of muscled-up gigachads.

But since the super soldier serum is pretty much only used for a handful of guys it sorta seems like having an intensive exercise and training regiment does the same job. You also still have to have proper training anyways to be considered stronger than cannon fodder and plot armor.

It's a fictional world so 'peak human' in the MCU just means you can do Matrix backflips and punch through concrete casually.
 
Does the super soldier serum even matter? All it seems to do is just get you jacked up to peak human levels in an instant. It was revolutionary back in WW2 since you can turn a bunch of skinny chudjak looking guys (thanks to that Great Depression era diet) into a horde of muscled-up gigachads.

But since the super soldier serum is pretty much only used for a handful of guys it sorta seems like having an intensive exercise and training regiment does the same job. You also still have to have proper training anyways to be considered stronger than cannon fodder and plot armor.

It's a fictional world so 'peak human' in the MCU just means you can do Matrix backflips and punch through concrete casually.
It should matter and was depicted as mattering. Sam Wilson is presumably in great physical shape and yet in Winter Soldier we see Cap repeatedly lapping him around the park "on your left" and we see him pull off slightly beyond human stuff like unfeasibly high ocean dives or holding back a helicopter. Not Hulk or Thor level stuff, but really pushing the envelope for what a human could do. He seems to be around the 170% human level. With like Thor being the 2000% human and say Black Widow or Hawkeye being the max peak human sort of level, i.e. 100%. (1)

It should matter and has mattered so far. But it's been crumbling more recently and something like Brave New World is probably going to drive a further nail into the coffin. I guess we'll see. Well, you guys will, I'm unlikely to go see it unless I hear some very good things. :)

(1) I would call Captain Marvel pique human, fwiw.
 
I'm six months late but this pisses me off. The X-Men have always been symbols for inclusion and diversity, and that's exactly why making them literally gay/black/jewish is fucking retarded. Mutants are already stand-ins for all of those things, and any other marginalizing trait a reader might project onto them. The entire premise is an allegory for the experience of being discriminated against, without any of the real-world baggage and prejudice associated with blackness or gayness specifically. It's effective, and inclusive, specifically because the demographic experiencing discrimination isn't fucking real, and that allows you to both 1) sympathize with them without bias, and 2) project your own experiences onto them, regardless of whether that's about race or sex or orientation or religion or disability or ideology or nationality or culture or whatever. It was already a story about being black or gay or retarded; making the conflict about being literally black or gay or retarded defeats the purpose, undermines the allegory, brings in real-world biases, excludes every other marginalized group besides the specific one you picked, it's clumsy, it's retarded, you're retarded, go fuck yourself.
 
Normal guy. They tried to make it a bad thing when the *real* replacement Captain America took the super soldier formula, even though the ginger bitch villain and her gang had already taken it.
That's a really stupid decision, then. In the trailer, we see him ram a fucking jet and fly at supersonic speeds without somehow dying or getting severely mangled, which doesn't make any sense if he's supposed to be a normal human.
 
Does the super soldier serum even matter?
it absolutely matters. all movies needs to be grounding in the rules established by the fictional universe. otherwise the your brain will not except the illusion of the movie. the mcu established the super soldier serum for enhanced abilities. and humans in the mcu are not physically different than humans in the real world.

the super solider serum can enable you to outrun a speeding car and physically stop a helicopter from flying off with your bare hands (see ca: civil war). no amount of exercising and training can get the human body to do that.

imo, if they just give sam wilson the super soldier serum, it solves all the problems with him being captain america. falcon is captain america's version of robin. so sam replacing steve rogers makes sense, because the other robin, bucky, is considered a terrorist in the mcu.
 
Rate me incredibly optimistic but does anyone think they will do even more reshoots of Brave New World or the recent The Boys episodes due to the assassination attempt? I mean think of all the media censored after 9/11 and the BLM shit.
Actually The Boys will probably just run with a staged assassination on Homelander out of undying spite.
 
So this is the third casting of the character?
Yes. Sam Elliot played him in the Ang Lee version and William Hurt played him from The Incredible Hulk up until his passing in 2022. Ford's a great actor, but he's been in increasingly shittier movies as he nears the end of his career and is older (82) than both Sam Elliot (79) and William Hurt (77). Despite of his recent output though, I guarantee Ford has been laughing his way to the bank with the money he's making at Disney's expense.
 
I wish Ford would just retire and live out the rest of his golden years doing what he loves, smoking weed and crashing planes.
 
I feel like the future of the MCU is a mid-2000s Disney channel original style teen show set 200 years in the future, following a bunch of original superheroes who are all kind of shitty, with the locales split between an orbital satellite battlestation and the ruined remains of Earth's post-apocalyptic city arcology. There's also a geriatric Tony Stark for some reason.

Source: it was revealed to me in a dream

On consideration, I wonder if Disney will ever do pastiches of the "Disney channel original" style of filmmaking, but using their purchased IPs. It could be charming if they didn't [current year] it, which of course they would.
 
The Russo brothers are apparently in talks to return to direct Avengers 5 & 6. Disney must really be panicking over the current state of the MCU.

I wonder how much of Kang Dynasty was filmed before they scrapped it, and how much the final film will have to do with the original plan.
 
It's unknown if they had filmed anything, they have been cagey about it but no doubt this will delay the apparent autumn/winter shoot. They have been very cagey on contracts too meaning they have shelled out a ton and paid a ton for NDAs too. Remember those actors who were due to film earlier would have clause's for damages for time not able to work. They would have at least principal stuff done but that will need to be redone now most likely. The Russo brothers won't save them from this shit heap, they problem is 95% of the talent are boring and the stories are shit, you aren't going to replicate infinity war, it was a very different time fuck even how people go to the cinema is different now. Covid changed a lot in terms of how consumers spend but also how they view the cinema. Marvel has changed entirely too, what was a somewhat centrist is now a tumblrites wet dream and normies view it as cringe.

I am looking forward to Deadpool 3 but even then I am apprehensive because part of the charm of Deadpool was that it operated outside and lampooned but it could jump the shark plus I feel Reynolds is going to have the script cucked by the execs.

People used to note that the audience grew with Marvel but now it's a case of the audience outgrowing Marvel.
 
Sorry if it's not directly related to this thread but I saw this vlog who mentioned Marvel cancelled the Jews.

Here's one comment dropped by a Youtuber who was worth to share about that.

@TheDigitalApple

Funny how Walt was accused of antisemitism (despite how much anti Nazi propaganda he made back in the day). Yet here’s his company many years later getting rid of a Jewish hero to cow toe to the pro Palestinian antisemites!
 
It's funny that they won't listen to the complaints of their fans and (former) paying customers by doing anything other than retarded nigger girlboss characters, but they'll kowtow to a few thousand rich protest LARPers who won't look at anything other than their phones.

I mean I'm glad they got rid of the Jew bitch because it costs them money to re-write, re-shoot, and re-edit. But it's funny who they do it for.
 
You could bring Kubrick back from the dead and it wouldn't matter. Everyone knows the reason it's going to be shit is not the director(s). I mean fair enough, you'd actually have someone competent to direct, so it'd probably go smoother, but it's still going to be 35 annoying girlbosses and a couple niggers no one likes.
 
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