Marvel Cinematic Universe

[mlanguishi]

I like a dark ending. If the story is over, it works. Like 1984 or Brave New World or things where just the world wins and you lose.

I also like bad endings where there's a bit of hope, like Empire Strikes Back. Even Logan's wasn't 'bad', they buried him and his followers went on in the end.

I even liked the end of X3, where Magneto is playing chess and X in the after credits. That was far and better beyond ultra woke MCU.

It seems they're going to multiverse this one, and they really need to retire that concept.

X-Men Apocalypse though was one of only 2 movies I ever flat out fell sleep in a theater during. I watched Deadpool 2 on video and nearly passed out too.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Ehhh I don't know man.. im not fond of depressingly dark endings. I like the idea of Deadpool fixing the timeline.

It helps that it's style of humor is better then everything else marvel related

Edit: although it seems like there's multiple wolverines and they explicitly confirmed everything with old man Logan happens before the movie. So they won't change the ending

The only way I'd give the new film a chance is if it kills the Mexican mutant kids that were in Logan

 

[Swine Schwein]

The only way I'd give the new film a chance is if it kills the Mexican mutant kids that were in Logan

Oh man, thanks for reminding me. Logan had an awful 3rd act. It fell hard. It was so fucking bad, it's like everyone involved just quit the production and a bunch of talentless idiots wandered into the studio and finished the rest of the movie.

 

[Wot Zit Too Yah0996]

The only way I'd give the new film a chance is if it kills the Mexican mutant kids that were in Logan

I thought the Mutant Test Tube Babies were a decent edition, actually, but I don't understand how Bobby, the electrokinetic/electromagnetic one, is black, seeing as his mum was supposed to Mexican, and presumably, Chris Bradley (presumably still Dominic Monaghan/Merry) from X-Men Origins: Wolverine, is his donor-dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know Afro-Mexicans exist.

I've thought of something: Transigen/Alkali Lake/Whoever collected Caliban's DNA after he pegged it, and Sabretooth killed Bradley in, what, 1979-1981? They must have some top quality storage, since they'd have have get his genetic material around the time he died-ish. I'm thinking too much, 'cos I'm wavering in and out of the early stages of drowsiness, I guess.

@mlanguishi They should have done that with Infinity War. But there's probably a related what-if type comic. I fell off reading comics in my mid/late teens, actually.

 

[el bandito loco]

Oh man, thanks for reminding me. Logan had an awful 3rd act. It fell hard. It was so fucking bad, it's like everyone involved just quit the production and a bunch of talentless idiots wandered into the studio and finished the rest of the movie.

Wolverine 2 was like that too. It wasn't as good as Logan for the first 2/3rds but was solid and then flatlined so hard I wanted to get up and go home. I didn't watch indiana jones dyke of destiny so maybe it has that too but manigold's other movies aren't like that so idk what the deal is.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

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[wtfNeedSignUp]

Oh man, thanks for reminding me. Logan had an awful 3rd act. It fell hard. It was so fucking bad, it's like everyone involved just quit the production and a bunch of talentless idiots wandered into the studio and finished the rest of the movie.

I didn't like it for being one of the more extreme cases of "we replaced the white cast with blacks and mexicans, but that's okay because a white guy kills himself to save them".

 

[Tor Lugosi]

I liked Logan up until after Prof X dies. After that it feels like it just stumbles around until it ends. Never really cared for it as the 'end' of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine given how far removed it is from the rest of the movies. I'm fine with him coming back.

 

[Calandrino]

Oh man, thanks for reminding me. Logan had an awful 3rd act. It fell hard. It was so fucking bad, it's like everyone involved just quit the production and a bunch of talentless idiots wandered into the studio and finished the rest of the movie.

Deadpool 2 did the same plot better, and honestly with more seriousness and gravity

Edit: although it seems like there's multiple wolverines and they explicitly confirmed everything with old man Logan happens before the movie. So they won't change the ending

The X-Men movies handled the "multiverse" the old-fashioned way, i.e. the movies contradicted each other and made no sense and trying to figure it out is for nerds

 

[Wot Zit Too Yah0996]

I liked Logan up until after Prof X dies. After that it feels like it just stumbles around until it ends. Never really cared for it as the 'end' of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine given how far removed it is from the rest of the movies. I'm fine with him coming back.

Shit, I was even sad when Caliban died. He spent decades being apathetic and greedy, then met his end through trying to do the right thing. He didn't have to help Logan look after Charles, but the film shows that he felt like a total bastard, and how sick the fuckers at Transigen were.

 

[Wot Zit Too Yah0996]

I didn't like it for being one of the more extreme cases of "we replaced the white cast with blacks and mexicans, but that's okay because a white guy kills himself to save them".

I raise you a reluctant like.

 

[Calandrino]

I didn't like it for being one of the more extreme cases of "we replaced the white cast with blacks and mexicans, but that's okay because a white guy kills himself to save them".

That too. Also: despite the entire rest of the universe being diverse, all the cannon fodder employees of EvilCorp are white men, so it's ok to kill them indiscriminately. Deadpool 2 at least weakly parodied the former, but played the latter completely straight.

 

[Wot Zit Too Yah0996]

That too. Also: despite the entire rest of the universe being diverse, all the cannon fodder employees of EvilCorp are white men, so it's ok to kill them indiscriminately. Deadpool 2 at least weakly parodied the former, but played the latter completely straight.

Eh... there was one Mexican at least. During the bit where the Reavers find X-23 the first time, one of them pipes up with, "You said dead or alive", to Donald Pierce, in that type of accent.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

So. Dunno where else to put this. I saw the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy during the Spider-Mondays thing they were doing.

The perfect filmed version of Peter's origin story. Also feels the most "comic-book" like of the three. Willem Dafoe as the Green Goblin is a highlight.

The best stand-alone Spider-Man story. Although I felt that MJ and John Jameson's relationship was one subplot too many. The daydream with Uncle Ben hit hard ("I'm Spider-Man no more.")

As good as the first two? Hell the fuck no. A fun movie in its own right? Hell the fuck yes. Emo Parker had the whole theater ROFLing, and the final battle between Peter/Harry and the Sandman/Venom was awesome.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

So. Dunno where else to put this. I saw the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy during the Spider-Mondays thing they were doing.
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The perfect filmed version of Peter's origin story. Also feels the most "comic-book" like of the three. Willem Dafoe as the Green Goblin is a highlight.
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The best stand-alone Spider-Man story. Although I felt that MJ and John Jameson's relationship was one subplot too many. The daydream with Uncle Ben hit hard ("I'm Spider-Man no more.")
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As good as the first two? Hell the fuck no. A fun movie in its own right? Hell the fuck yes. Emo Parker had the whole theater ROFLing, and the final battle between Peter/Harry and the Sandman/Venom was awesome.

Honestly the Raimi trilogy is near-perfect. The third one is fun, even if flawed due to Avi Arad forcing Venom in the movie.

I'd honestly recommend it as a good entry point for Spider-Man, especially the first movie being pretty good.

The Webb duology doesn't match up and feels like it was soulless outside of Peter's relationship with Gwen but that's more for the actors than the script, but its really mid otherwise. Though Amazing Spider-Man 2 is genuinely terrible garbage.

The MCU Spider-Man movies are fine. The first one is decent, the second is mainly carried by Mysterio, and the third one is a good celebration of the 21st century Spider-Man movies. However, they don't work stand-alone since it relies on the wider MCU to really get context for everything like why Iron Man is Peter's mentor.

Then the Sony Spider-man Universe without Spider-Man is irredeemable trash, Venom is okay, but every other movie is varying degrees of bad without any sign of getting better.

Lastly, there's the Spiderverse movies which are really fun, but are more amazing the more you know about Spider-Man.

So Raimi Trilogy wins by default.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

So Raimi Trilogy wins by default.

its the only one that was clearly made by a fan, plus it came out during the last possible time when it could feel timeless. If you told a zoomer it was released in the 70s they might believe you, plus it was the only one that understood Pete's a young adult (not a teenager) he spends the first hour of a trilogy in high school then move on, to the more interesting stuff about juggling responsibilities and hobbies and whatnot. Whereas it seems like the other films are all about him being a teen.

the Raimi Trilogy is easily a classic film trilogy.

due to Avi Arad forcing Venom in the movie

sort of hilarious that he's such a huge Venom fan, imaging being in your 40s and finally entering your edgy teen phase (shout out to nick rekiteta!)

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The MCU Spider-Man movies are fine. The first one is decent, the second is mainly carried by Mysterio, and the third one is a good celebration of the 21st century Spider-Man movies. However, they don't work stand-alone since it relies on the wider MCU to really get context for everything like why Iron Man is Peter's mentor.

The funniest thing about MCU spidey was when the first film came out everyone was like "wow they didn't do an origin story, how progressive". And then the final film retroactively makes the trilogy a far gayer origin story.

 

[Mac Monster]

The best stand-alone Spider-Man story. Although I felt that MJ and John Jameson's relationship was one subplot too many. The daydream with Uncle Ben hit hard ("I'm Spider-Man no more.")

Spiderman 2 still remains one of the best superhero films of all time. It really does make you feel bad for Peter by seeing how much of a burden being Spiderman has on his personal life.

Doc Ock is one of the highlights of the film. Badass and intimidating while still being somewhat sympathethic. The scene where his tentacles reactive is terrifying and clearly Raimi flexing his horror skills. No way would a scene like that ever appear in any of the milquetoast MCU films.

 

[starborn427614]

I'm glad that Spider-Man arguably has the largest amount of good to great films in regards to capeshit. Even when you have something like Spider-Man 3, its entertainment value at least makes up for its poor story.

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

So. Dunno where else to put this. I saw the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy during the Spider-Mondays thing they were doing.
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The perfect filmed version of Peter's origin story. Also feels the most "comic-book" like of the three. Willem Dafoe as the Green Goblin is a highlight.
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The best stand-alone Spider-Man story. Although I felt that MJ and John Jameson's relationship was one subplot too many. The daydream with Uncle Ben hit hard ("I'm Spider-Man no more.")
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As good as the first two? Hell the fuck no. A fun movie in its own right? Hell the fuck yes. Emo Parker had the whole theater ROFLing, and the final battle between Peter/Harry and the Sandman/Venom was awesome.

I will go to my grave saying Venom in SM3 should have been John Jameson instead of Eddie Brock. The dude playing John already has the GigaChad body to pull of Venom, plus him wanting revenge on Peter for “stealing” his fiancée would’ve been much more interesting than Eddie being upset Peter called out his photoshopped pics (which I know is more comic accurate). Just have John accidentally get infected my the symbiote on one of his outer space voyages, easy peasy!