Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Basic Blonde Boy]

It's not even correct. Captain America was low middle class, same with Spiderman. Thor is an alien god, Hawkeye is middle class and Antman is a criminal. You have Doctor Strange, who is a world class surgeon so rich but not much of a millionaire, and that Nigger hero who's ironically fits that title. So really it's a barb towards Tony Stark, who sacrificed himself for the survival of humanity. Great job Marvel at shitting on the emotional peak of your entire franchise.

Hasn’t Marvel been shitting on Tony since phase 2 though? Iron Man 3 makes him a wreck, and Avengers 2 and Civil War just seem to be there to call him an ass. I remember starting to dislike Marvel as Tony Stark progressively seemed to be shit on while other heroes can basically do no wrong.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Hasn’t Marvel been shitting on Tony since phase 2 though? Iron Man 3 makes him a wreck, and Avengers 2 and Civil War just seem to be there to call him an ass. I remember starting to dislike Marvel as Tony Stark progressively seemed to be shit on while other heroes can basically do no wrong.

Tony Stark was the only character in the MCU that had the ability to develop (just about anyone else had moral immunity or weren't successful enough to be a main player). So he was alone in the position to fuck up and told he fucked up, which was okay because he went along with the punches. Post death those joke feel spiteful and mean, in the real world he'll be the modern Jesus, rather than a drugged up, women threatening dead junkie.

 

[SmugAutist]

Good lord. The next installment in the MCWU. Any chance it will be watchable?

Ah, well, at least we'll have 87000 more YouTube videos from goony beard men autists screeching about how much better the comic in 1993 was or something.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gim2kprjL50

To be fair, a parody is exactly what the John Byrne interpretation of She-Hulk was (AKA, the version of the character that actually sold and people liked) . It was essentially Deadpool before Deadpool, with 4th wall breaking jokes in every issue. Hell, Byrne even lampshaded drawing She-Hulk to be far sexier than her original run as a flat out appeal for bigger sales.

Giving the series the benefit of the doubt, it did what no other Marvel Studios production has done with their female characters: portray their most successful version of the character on the big screen. Put it like this, you can either have the 4th wall breaking parody of Byrne, or the Mariko Tamaki abomination:

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

To be fair, a parody is exactly what the John Byrne interpretation of She-Hulk was (AKA, the version of the character that actually sold and people liked) . It was essentially Deadpool before Deadpool, with 4th wall breaking jokes in every issue. Hell, Byrne even lampshaded drawing She-Hulk to be far sexier than her original run as a flat out appeal for bigger sales.

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Giving the series the benefit of the doubt, it did what no other Marvel Studios production has done with their female characters: portray their most successful version of the character on the big screen. Put it like this, you can either have the 4th wall breaking parody of Byrne, or the Mariko Tamaki abomination:

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Yeah I genuinely don't understand the seethe, this is pretty much best case scenario (visuals aside) imo.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

i mean, there's a pretty big difference between "lol look at how goofy the Moleman is" and "Fear and anger are the baseline of female existence!"

 

[Articles and Nudes]

"That's the trick, Captain. I'm always on the rag."

 

[Uranus Pink]

Thing was Tony Stark is literally the MCU version of Charles Dickens' Ebenezer Scrooge and yet everybody especially Potts, been shitting on him after his transformation to be a better man. Yet before his life altering experience only people gave him any real grief was Roades and Stane.

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

Mariko Tamaki

I googled this one and this is as far as I got

and yet everybody especially Potts, been shitting on him after his transformation to be a better man.

It was quite annoying how they dropped his character development in the first movie to focus on "he's still an asshole because we the characters say so". The MCU is brilliant if you pretend it's just Iron Man and Spider-Man Homecoming. You know the ones with character development, consequences and great actors who never appeared again even though they should've. I'm very sick of Don Cheadle's 80-year-old face.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

I remember getting annoyed over the treatment of Tony early on. Civil War had that awful scene were the black woman came out to yell at him over how her son died while he tried to save people, something no other Avenger gets confronted with. Then there was the whole Scarlet Witch saying he is crazy in Age of Ultron which lead to Cap trying to fight him.

Iron Man is really the only character besides Spider-Man to face any consequences for anything. Maybe that makes him a more developed character, but in doing so, it makes him look like shit while everyone else is a moral guardian.

 

[The Great Chandler]

I remember getting annoyed over the treatment of Tony early on. Civil War had that awful scene were the black woman came out to yell at him over how her son died while he tried to save people, something no other Avenger gets confronted with. Then there was the whole Scarlet Witch saying he is crazy in Age of Ultron which lead to Cap trying to fight him.

Iron Man is really the only character besides Spider-Man to face any consequences for anything. Maybe that makes him a more developed character, but in doing so, it makes him look like shit while everyone else is a moral guardian.

He deserved to kick Cap's ass, ngl

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

He deserved to kick Cap's ass, ngl

I believe the films wanted to go into this cool ideological between Cap and Iron Man. Cap is all about freedom, while Iron man wants to hugbox the world with tech. This idea seemed apparent in Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron, and Civil War. The idea was good, but the execution was shit. They never gave Tony a win in the fight, an event where having a robot army would make things better, instead it is always Tony trampling on everyone else's rights for his own delusional security ideas then brave Cap kicking his ass because 'muh freedoms'. Tony was never really wrong. In a universe with alien invasions and crazy tech, building things to neutralize threats early on and prevent causalities is pretty damn justified, but no, it is always wrong according to these films.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

They wanted to carry over the dynamic from the Civil War comics, but didn't want to make Tony full on fascist. So he's always wrong even though he isn't doing any of the bad things. It doesn't make sense without Tony also putting everyone in prison and spying on everyone.

 

[Commander X]

The John Bryne run was parodic but it was handled with a mostly light touch, so that even the more brazen fourth-wall breaking moments were actually funny instead of annoying like the smirky, non-stop flow of psuedo-Whedonisms most parody comics from the Big Two have been for the past decade or so.

Early in the run, you had the issue where Howard the Duck's reality warping foe Dr. Bong had been altering the internal realities of television shows. His five Bong-clone children have become addicted to TV and he seeks to alter the content to what he feels would be more suitable. She-Hulk and a few other people are accidentally pulled into the TV world and it gets a little more fourth-wall breaking than usual. Tearing a hole open in the page, they escape to another part of the comic by running through a two-page mail-order ad in the middle of the comic that mocks every Marvel title mentioned, including the New Universe books, and so on.

Spoiler

Issue 9 starts off with She-Hulk upset that there's been a change in artist and writer -

Issue 50 features She-Hulk visiting Marvel's offices to discuss new creative teams for her book with editor Rene Witterstaetter in the wake of Bryne's death by tripping over a "dangling subplot", as she looks through samples that parody Dave Gibbons on Britishness overload, Frank Miller on hardboiled overload, Howard Chaykin, Terry Austin, Adam Hughes (which segment opens up depicting She-Hulk and Wasp going shopping for bikinis, of course), Walt Simonson, etc.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

the feeling I got with MCU Tony was a guy constantly wracked with guilt and feeling like he has to be the one to fix things because he’s smart enough and rich enough to be able to make a difference. And that guilt made it easier for people to take advantage of him, like with Ross getting him to agree with the accords and whatnot. He did get shot on a fair amount, but it also showed the good he did and how hard he tried to help people, so I felt like it balanced out more or less okay. It’s the shitting on a character after they’re gone that bothers me, because he can’t be there to justify or explain. So Captain America is bad for giving Sam the shield because “racism” and Tony is bad for not setting up funds for Avengers(fuck that idea, by the way), and so on and so forth.

But Captain Marvel gets a “superhero inspired by her show” and I’m willing to bet that if they ever try and bring that “I’m not being oppressed enough, how dare you!” character Riri, she’ll be motivated to “do what Iron Man failed to be” or some shit like that.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

the feeling I got with MCU Tony was a guy constantly wracked with guilt and feeling like he has to be the one to fix things because he’s smart enough and rich enough to be able to make a difference. And that guilt made it easier for people to take advantage of him, like with Ross getting him to agree with the accords and whatnot. He did get shot on a fair amount, but it also showed the good he did and how hard he tried to help people, so I felt like it balanced out more or less okay. It’s the shitting on a character after they’re gone that bothers me, because he can’t be there to justify or explain. So Captain America is bad for giving Sam the shield because “racism” and Tony is bad for not setting up funds for Avengers(fuck that idea, by the way), and so on and so forth.

But Captain Marvel gets a “superhero inspired by her show” and I’m willing to bet that if they ever try and bring that “I’m not being oppressed enough, how dare you!” character Riri, she’ll be motivated to “do what Iron Man failed to be” or some shit like that.

I think the issue with Tony was that there was no clear direction to take him past Avengers, so every subsequent movie with him past 3 felt like it was Star Wars sequel retconning the previous while still building off it. Iron Man 3 wasn’t liked, so we sweep it under the bridge and try to soft-restart with Age of Ultron. Wait, Age of Ultron was a mess, well, we better soft-restart in Civil War.

In Iron Man 3, Tony was a wreck that was building suits to avoid dealing with the trauma of nearly dying in Avengers. In Age of Ultron, Tony seems like he is burnt out and wants nothing more than to retire, create the system so that there isn’t a next battle. Then Civil War seems like the guilt Tony you mentioned. These things can connect, and somewhat they do, but nothing about how the movies handle the progression feels organic. It should go that Tony’s trauma starts getting resolved in 3, but this leads him to thinking about retirement as the solution to his mental health. This desire to create the retirement machine creates Ultron as he is careless and still a bit schizo from the 3 trauma. This then leads to the guilt over it all as he signs himself up with the government to create a fail safe to monitor his erratic behavior. It feels like the movies are doing this, but they seem to scared to mention the previous film and build as to create a more coherent plot. By the end, Iron Man just comes off like an sparatic mess where his character seems to change between films.

 

[marvlouslie]

Disney legit created a Latina character whose power is literally crossing borders illegally, and no one said anything during writing?

 

[The Valeyard]

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I googled this one and this is as far as I got

That's the creator of the worst episode of Rick and Morty which, due to "triggering the trolls" gets a career.
Expect She Hulk to have a self insert Asian psychologist who's super smart and kind and outright tells the audience what morals it should learn.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

She Hulk has CW level CGI and design.

She Hulk should at minimum look like a fitness model. This just looks like a tall lanky bitch who's green.

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Where's the muscle definition/tone? It's animation for the love of Christ, it's not like a woman actually had to put some effort in for the body

If there's a reason we can't get Natasha Aughrey for this, it better be a good & understandable reason like MCD playing a black Kingpin in 2003 Daredevil.

The John Bryne run was parodic but it was handled with a mostly light touch, so that even the more brazen fourth-wall breaking moments were actually funny instead of annoying like the smirky, non-stop flow of psuedo-Whedonisms most parody comics from the Big Two have been for the past decade or so.

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Early in the run, you had the issue where Howard the Duck's reality warping foe Dr. Bong had been altering the internal realities of television shows. His five Bong-clone children have become addicted to TV and he seeks to alter the content to what he feels would be more suitable. She-Hulk and a few other people are accidentally pulled into the TV world and it gets a little more fourth-wall breaking than usual. Tearing a hole open in the page, they escape to another part of the comic by running through a two-page mail-order ad in the middle of the comic that mocks every Marvel title mentioned, including the New Universe books, and so on.

Spoiler

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Issue 9 starts off with She-Hulk upset that there's been a change in artist and writer -

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Issue 50 features She-Hulk visiting Marvel's offices to discuss new creative teams for her book with editor Rene Witterstaetter in the wake of Bryne's death by tripping over a "dangling subplot", as she looks through samples that parody Dave Gibbons on Britishness overload, Frank Miller on hardboiled overload, Howard Chaykin, Terry Austin, Adam Hughes (which segment opens up depicting She-Hulk and Wasp going shopping for bikinis, of course), Walt Simonson, etc.

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I'm not much into comics nowadays, but this seems like a semi-fun read.

I googled this one and this is as far as I got
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It was quite annoying how they dropped his character development in the first movie to focus on "he's still an asshole because we the characters say so". The MCU is brilliant if you pretend it's just Iron Man and Spider-Man Homecoming. You know the ones with character development, consequences and great actors who never appeared again even though they should've. I'm very sick of Don Cheadle's 80-year-old face.

That's the creator of the worst episode of Rick and Morty which, due to "triggering the trolls" gets a career.
Expect She Hulk to have a self insert Asian psychologist who's super smart and kind and outright tells the audience what morals it should learn.

She's also the one behind I'm Not Starfire Comic btw.

 

[Quantum Diabetes]

I still contend that they just should’ve just hired Gina Carano and painted her green like Lou Ferrigno and only cgi’d action scenes.