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Bay Kemal said:
Godzilla and Marvel are having a crossover event altogether, not just with X-Men. Basically everyone is going at him. F4, Avengers, X-Men, Hulk, Spidey, Thor. Everyone is getting their dino fix alright. I knew this was coming the day Marvel's Godzilla omnibus was announced. Still epic though.
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I love those versus variant covers alot
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They ought to stop being pussies.

And do the real fight.

Godzilla versus Dr Doom Rex.
 
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Wasn't expecting this one to enter in the 90's.
 
I haven't paid attention to Rotten Tomatoes since Disney downplayed its authority and relevance while muscling the site into removing negative reviews of Captain Marvel at the same time they were buying tickets to their own movie to buoy their stock values during the acquisition of Fox. And now a high score on a fixed scoreboard is supposed to trick me into caring enough to pay to see some capeshit slog with a plot I'd need to watch a dozen failed streaming series and films released since 2019 to even be able to follow?

I don't ask this for the sake of disparaging anyone's favored IPs or characters - I just want to know if there are additional absurdities I'm missing in the promotion for this high budget film with a disclaimer asterisk in its title.
 
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alleged spoilers for thunderbolts via /co/.
>Val is under federal investigation for illegal supersoldier experiments, so she sends Yelena, Walker, Ghost and Taskmaster to take out her secret research labs all over the world.
>In-between missions, Yelena visits Red Guardian and talks about the growing “void” inside of her. He runs a limo rental service now.
>Val sends the four to a desert base so they will also kill each other and tie up all her loose ends. Red Guardian finds out while chauffeuring for Val, while her assistant Mel tips off Congressman Bucky.
>At the base, Ghost immediately headshots Taskmaster and loots her gear. The surviving three run into Bob, one of Val’s failed test subjects, and they all team up to survive when they realize Val wants them all dead. Yelena bonds with Bob.
>Val sends soldiers to the base, so Bob sacrifices himself to distract them while Red Guardian rescues the others. Turns out Bob actually has superpowers and survives, so Val orders him captured and delivered to the Avengers Tower, which she bought and rebranded “the Watchtower”.
>Bucky rescues the group from pursuing soldiers and recruits them to take out Val and rescue Bob. Red Guardian names them “the Thunderbolts”. Meanwhile, Val convinces Bob to become the Sentry by acting motherly and claiming she can make him the world’s most beloved superhero.
>The Thunderbolts attack the Watchtower, fight soldiers and confront Val, who sends the Sentry after them. He easily defeats the team, but refuses to kill them. When Val presses for him to do it and begins insulting him, the Sentry turns on her, so she triggers a kill switch she built into his suit.
>The Sentry survives, snaps and turns into his evil the Void, then creates a literal void over the Watchtower and begins pulling people in it, trapping them in suspended animation eternally reliving their worst memories to feed off their suffering.
>The Thunderbolts save a lot of people from the collateral damage of the Void’s rampage, then Yelena jumps into the void to save Bob, but gets trapped in her memories of the Red Room until the others jump in as well and break her out.
>The team helps each other conquer their fears (except for Bucky, who has already vanquished his demons) and reach Bob, trapped in memories of his abusive childhood and meth addiction. Yelena manages to get through to him, and he pulls the Void back inside himself, undoing the void above the Watchtower and freeing everyone trapped in it.
>The team goes after Val, but she has already called a press conference where she introduces them as the New Avengers and presents herself as their benefactor. They decide to play along, blackmailing Val into financing them and setting up a base of operations in the Watchtower.
>MID-CREDITS: Red Guardian at the supermarket spots a box of Wheaties featuring the team (he had earlier claimed being featured on a cereal box is one of the greatest honors a hero can receive) and badgers an old lady into buying it.
>POST-CREDITS: 14 months later, the team jokes about how Captain America/Sam Wilson is assembling his own Avengers and suing them for copyright infringement. They brainstorm some new names (Red Guardian pushes for “New Avengerz”) and discuss how Bob can’t use his powers so he doesn’t awaken the Void (he does the dishes, though). Yelena reports strange space activity and they see the Fantastic Four’s spaceship (with a huge “4” on the side) entering Earth’s atmosphere
I really hope that bit about Taskmaster is true because it would be really funny.
 
Idiotron said:
I feel like all the Justice League shit in Superman will be one 15 minute flashback scene where we get a quick introduction to all the main members for future movies.
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The reason the DCEU keeps failing over and over again is because DC wants to do all of the reaping with none of the sowing. Marvel released 5 movies pre-avengers to actually set it up. It required investment, patience and buildup to get TO avengers.

DC went "Fuck that, I WANT MONEY NOOOOOOOOOOW!" skipped the buildup and has been trying to do avengers over and over again.

Batman v Superman should be DC's endgame, not the second movie.

Justice league should not be the sequel to wonder woman.

Flash shouldn't introduce the fucking multiverse in his third fucking appeance.

They apparently learned absolutely fucking nothing from this and are trying to justice league as the first movie AGAIN. Even the friends I spoke to that are pretty huge marvel fans and like slop had the same thoughts "Why can't this movie just be about superman? I'm tired of this extended universe."

For the past nearly 20 years, DC has been consistently learning the wrong lessons from marvel. Its like you fed the MCU into an shitty LLM and then asked it how to make movies and it concluded that "teamup movies make money so just make as many teamup movies as you can with no setup."
 
Oilspill Battery said:
For the past nearly 20 years, DC has been consistently learning the wrong lessons from marvel. Its like you fed the MCU into an shitty LLM and then asked it how to make movies and it concluded that "teamup movies make money so just make as many teamup movies as you can with no setup."
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Then there are people saying they were too slow and should up their game if they wanted to catch up with MCU.

I don't think BvS approach was bad. Hype culture made money, especially at that time. It was just that the movie fucking sucked and it all went downhill from there. Instead of betting everything on it they should have listened to the feedback before making a JL movie.

They were almost done with the JL movie and they couldn't back down from that. They thought "capeshit but edgy" was the wrong approach so they tried to make it quirky with the reshoots but it made everything worse. Then I just stopped caring.

Another packed in universe might or might not work. Gunn made good money for both Marvel and DC. He is better at bringing D listers out of obscurity though. The new Superman movie has alot of them but still it will depend on how he will handle the OG.

The new solo Batman was a success. Maybe they should stop the whole shared universe crap but everyone knows they never will.
 
The MCU should've honestly ended after Endgame and explicitly had a disclaimer at the end credits saying "thanks for journeying with us but this is it." I can't imagine anybody being excited to see a 60+ RDJ playing Dr. Doom but now he quips and seeing Pedro Pascal and all the other losers replacing the cast who either died or left. Not to mention they're dredging up the old Xmen cast and without a doubt, fucking Tobey Maguire and Hugh Jackman for Secret Wars. In all honesty I hope they induce proper superhero fatigue and we go maybe a good century or so before anyone tries another stab at it. Or at least 50 years. Do some new fad like videogame or book movies, hell anything but a 700 million dollar tax write off where a CGI raccoon does a dance off while standing over the graves of millions of dead people.
 
BigBadBastich said:
Do some new fad like videogame or book movies, hell anything but a 700 million dollar tax write off where a CGI raccoon does a dance off while standing over the graves of millions of dead people.
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Listen man I think I'll take capeslop over Chicken Jockey, The Nether, First we Mine then we Craft let's Minecraft which is probably what the next trend will be considering that movie's success...
 
Oilspill Battery said:
There is no universe in which the movie does not suck as the second movie in a franchise that only exists because DC was trying to copy avengers.
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Snyder has been piggybacking on Watchmen and smelling his own farts. He forgot that he didn't write the original material. I think it would be doomed even if it was the 1000th movie with him in charge.
 
Oilspill Battery said:
"Why can't this movie just be about superman? I'm tired of this extended universe."
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This is something that i've said before.
The only real hits that DC had over the last decade are The Batman and Joker, 2 experimental capeshit movies that aren't like anything else in the genre and had zero connections to anything else.
You need zero homework, you don't need to care about 38 characters that are not even doing anything here but are just being set up for movies 3 years from now, 2 hours and then it ends.
Even their only DCEU hit, Aquaman, was almost completely removed from everything, it was a fantasy action adventure road trip movie with a crab army and a Kraken and an octopus that plays the drums n shiet.
It's honestly a fun movie if you don't care about any of this shit, that's why it made a billion.

Just make one off movies, stop with this cinematic universe shit.
It worked exactly once and even with the MCU, when you read the list of decisions they made and what almost happened, it was a miracle that they pulled off what they did.
It won't work again like Marvel did it, the quality would need to be higher in terms of storytelling, which would require to write 3 or so phases at once and then stick to what they wrote, which is impossible for Warner Bros.

Just adapt Superman: Red Son for $200 million, don't change anything and it will make a billion, easily.
 
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