Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Commander X]

From what I've seen, on that new hideous looking Spiderman cartoon, Peter Parker's friend but not his girlfriend, the gal with a dye-job discovers he's Spiderman and of course she gets upset about it. The only detail that makes this instance a novelty is that she's not his romantic interest. So tired of this cliche, which seems to be used in shows like Invincible and the Anime-Lite Superman show, and various comics by uncreative people who do it simply because That Was The Way It Has Been Done Before.

 

[dick brain]

The messed up thing is that the black test subject captain America story is in the comics and it's actually good. Like this was way before the woke shit and I remember enjoying the way the story was setup and framed with the dudes wife telling cap about his story.

At the end of it the cap black got retarded from the earliest form of the serum so Captain America respectfully salutes him and thanks him for his service. The storyline honestly could have worked in a pre woke time but they made the right call not doing it now.

Yeah, Red White & Black. I really liked Isaiah Bradley in the 2000s, because pre-OWS you could talk about shit like Tuskegee and have the point of the conversation be "never trust the government" instead of "white man bad".

Technically, Deadpool and Wolverine counts as an MCU success given that Disney owns Fox now. But we all know that movie's success happened solely because of what Fox built with their Marvel characters for the past 20-something years, and that nobody gave a shit about the MCU stuff that was in it.

Spider-Man: No Way Home doesn't count as an MCU success, as most of its profits went to Sony, lol. And I don't know a single person who saw No Way Home for Doctor Strange. Everyone saw that movie because of nostalgia for the previous, non-MCU Spider-Man movies.

That's a good point, it's telling enough that the three most enjoyable MCU movies out of the last twelve were essentially just Disney jingling keys in my face in the form of nostalgic characters/actors from twenty years ago while I drool and clap like a seal, but it didn't even really occur to me that that nostalgia is for the work of entirely different studios.

Predict the future of the MCU, I think this shit will end after Secret Wars at maximum.

I think they're going to try to pull up and return to form but it's too little too late. They're pivoting hard to Downey Doom but they literally don't have anybody compelling to fight him. I mean who's left? Cap got replaced by a POC. Stark got replaced by a POC. They tried to replace Thor and Hulk with female versions that flopped, Hemsworth and Ruffalo seem open to doing more but they're both reduced to jokes at this point. Hawkeye got replaced by Kate Bishop. Widow got replaced by Yelena. Ant-Man is probably about to get replaced by Stature. Tchalla got replaced by idk Suri probably I didn't watch that shit but he's dead. Spider-Man still exists but nobody remembers who he is. So that leaves what, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel, and a whole bunch of new characters nobody fucking likes or cares about. They're banking hard on FF and it's not looking good.

One theory I've heard is that they're going to lean heavily into the multiverse shit and bring back Reynolds and Jackman and Macguire, especially since it's Secret Wars and they'll probably have the Battleworld angle to work with as well, and... god I hope so, because the alternatives are a team comprised of Thor the loveable goof, Hulk the loveable goof, Star-Lord the loveable goof, Ant-Man the loveable goof, and Spider-Man the loveable goof all annoying the shit out of Stephen Strange, OR they go all in on the All New All Different Avengers dogshit they've been propping up for the last decade.

I know I'm a broken record at this point but it's one thing to look at the last 5-10 years of MCU DEI shit in a vacuum and wonder what the hell they were thinking, but it's an entirely different thing to look at the last 5-10 years of MCU DEI shit knowing that they're directly adapting the exact same terrible DEI shit they tried in the comics 10-15 years ago and wonder what the FUCK they were THINKING. Nobody wants to watch an adaptation of this


They had a lowbrow feel good money machine, and all they had to do was keep making the same thing. I still honestly don't know if they actually took a Blackrock check to make slopaganda or if they just tried to get out in front of the supposed bubble by fucking with the formula, but either way they fucked themselves over bigtime. They've had six years to develop any number of already beloved characters with half a century of material to adapt and they squandered it. Hey fuck it, give us an adaptation of the Spider-Woman run where she fights crime eight months pregnant, why not. Make Galacta the main antagonist of Fantastic Four, who fucking cares. Bring on Amy Schumer as Squirrel Girl and Hunter Schafer as Gwenpool. If you're gonna bet on NOW!/ANADM, might as well go all in.

 

[Powerhouse of the Cell]

Captain Marvel was the beginning of the downfall.

That scene in Endgame was a showcase of that.

It's amazing in a horrifying way how one film paved the way for years of disaster for an entire cinematic universe.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Captain Marvel was the beginning of the downfall.

That scene in Endgame was a showcase of that.

It's amazing in a horrifying way how one film paved the way for years of disaster for an entire cinematic universe.

I did not believe Geeks & Gamers and that whole crowd about that feminist scene in Endgame until I saw it for myself. It was super jarring to see Pepper Potts in the final battle too and I don't think they actually used those feminist-coded heroines in Phase 4 or 5 either, so just as a strict matter of character resource management, they were squandered too. And apparently Victoria Alonso or whoever is in charge of these phases never took Shop class because these movies have a measure once, cut twice kind of production budget and Cap 4 definitely suffered from that kind of doctrine the most.

 

[Mac Monster]

anywho, as typed on my phone after they happened, here are the highlights:

Sounds like you had a great time, but no thanks to the movie itself. It's just another boring and bland piece of shit to add to the pile. I almost wish it was exceptionally awful since it probably would have been more entertaining.

 

[el bandito loco]

One theory I've heard is that they're going to lean heavily into the multiverse shit and bring back Reynolds and Jackman and Macguire, especially since it's Secret Wars and they'll probably have the Battleworld angle to work

I've been saying this, probably even here since before Spider-Man No Way Home came out that Secret Wars is being made specifically to get guys like me back and Tobey and Jackman will be fighting back to back together on Battleworld and Macguire is probably going to sacrifice himself to save the MCU world a la Iron Man in Endgame. I also said like 4 years ago Secret Wars is essentially going to be Avengers vs X-Men using the Fox Men but also featuring Tobey and Andrew Spideys and maybe some other random guys like Eric Bana or Ben Affleck. Now I'm hearing AvX is the next big saga but I think that's bullshit and it's misdirection and I'm still right and the next saga will be full on reboot combining the MCU, XMen and FF.

Sounds like you had a great time, but no thanks to the movie itself. It's just another boring and bland piece of shit to add to the pile. I almost wish it was exceptionally awful since it probably would have been more entertaining.

Yeah actually my biggest problem with the movie itself is it's boring and not just flat out god awful. Felt too long and too short at the same time. It felt like nothing happened. There's also only 3 real action scenes, the beginning, the jets, and the end fight.Every other skirmish is like 5 seconds and then it's over. The plot feels like it's missing 75% of it so it's like there's not enough to make me care or latch onto, but what is happening feels like it moves at a snails pace even though it was probably under 2 hours. I still like Mackie as Sam and would have liked him to have at least an attempt at a good Falcon Cap movie but there was nothing there to like or even strongly dislike

 

[starborn427614]

I still like Mackie as Sam and would have liked him to have at least an attempt at a good Falcon Cap movie but there was nothing there to like or even strongly dislike

We needed an Avengers movie well before now, it's been way too long since Endgame. Everything since then feels like the wheels have spinning instead of, you know, getting the premier defense team for Earth back together.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

We needed an Avengers movie well before now, it's been way too long since Endgame. Everything since then feels like the wheels have spinning instead of, you know, getting the premier defense team for Earth back together.

What is the justification for an Avengers team forming? As far as I can tell, all the organization and infrastructure of the old team is gone. So the team would basically have to be reformed, but by whom? By Fury? SHIELD doesn't exist anymore. Doctor Strange? Maybe. He did lead the Defenders after all. Happy Hogan and Pepper Potts? How long can we beat a dead horse?

 

[starborn427614]

What is the justification for an Avengers team forming? As far as I can tell, all the organization and infrastructure of the old team is gone. So the team would basically have to be reformed, but by whom? By Fury? SHIELD doesn't exist anymore. Doctor Strange? Maybe. He did lead the Defenders after all. Happy Hogan and Pepper Potts? How long can we beat a dead horse?

I dunno, but Carol and Bruce seemed pretty on the ball at the end of Shang-Chi's film. Fury's also up in space working on SWORD so they could coordinate through that. Just a bit of forward motion in the overarching plot is all I'm asking for here, there's only so many new hero origin stories I can take.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I dunno, but Carol and Bruce seemed pretty on the ball at the end of Shang-Chi's film. Fury's also up in space working on SWORD so they could coordinate through that. Just a bit of forward motion in the overarching plot is all I'm asking for here, there's only so many new hero origin stories I can take.

Seriously I am so fucking sick to death of origin story movies. That Genndy Popeye was a fucking origin story movie!
What the fuck is the problem? Popeye goes on a Thimble Theater adventure, Tartakovski directs the fuck out of some action setpieces. There's your fucking movie

 

[That Chris Guy]

I'm not even mad that Sam got the shield over Bucky (though, admittedly, Bucky would have had a classic redemption arc storyline before taking the mantle; would have been a much more interesting story to tell given what we know now, but I digress).

Imagine Marvel not bothering with doing Falcon & Winter Soldier or this stupid new movie-- they just skip to the Avengers movies and just establish for five seconds that Sam has been Cap for a handful of years now. Audiences would have accepted that just fine. People probably would have preferred that because there's less "homework" to watch to understand what the hell is going on. lol. They wouldn't have ruined Sam Wilson's character in the process either.

Back when Endgame came out, I didn't hate Sam being given the shield. I felt he was worthy of it after seeing his quality of character in his first MCU appearance (The Winter Soldier). Dude showed compassion to other veterans and was loyal AF to Steve Rogers and his values with no questions. Plus, I was one of the people who said back in 2019 that logically speaking, Bucky being an unintentional murderer would make the public more hesitant to embrace him as the new Cap ... Well, that shit is out the window given that apparently Bucky can be a US Senator despite murdering a US President! LOL.

Marvel, wtf you doing?

As someone who's not much of a Marvel fan, I felt like Sam was fine as the new Cap after Endgame, since it was adequately set up. The problem is that FatWS immediately ruined it by Falcon going, "nah don't want it ackshually". Sure, throw away the duty to your country and ostensibly the world in the wake of an apocalyptic calamity that was narrowly averted - that's cool. Don't responsibly pass it down or choose a capable successor, just discard it like it's rubbish.

That's to say nothing of him getting assmad over John Walker, the real Captain America successor - Falcon gets upset that someone fills the shoes he didn't want because they didn't hold the door open for him indefinitely, shows no compassion for a guy who watched his best friend die in front of him (I guess he was The Wrong Kind of Black(TM)), and sympathises with terrorist assholes who feel entitled to property that was never theirs.

 

[modern horrors]

Speaking of John Walker, what are the odds of USAgent getting crippled in Thunderbolts?
-he's a third white male on the team
-make Sentry/Void do it to show how much of a threat he is

 

[Cat tit bingo]

-make Sentry/Void do it to show how much of a threat he is

People are thinking fem-taskmaster is the sacrificial stakes cow from her absence in some scenes of the trailer. If marvel was cool she would than be replaced by the true taskmaster, Greg Davies.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

Greg Davies should've been Sentry. Hell he should play every male role. With every female role played by Alex Horne in an ill-fitting wig.

 

[el bandito loco]

I dunno, but Carol and Bruce seemed pretty on the ball at the end of Shang-Chi's film. Fury's also up in space working on SWORD so they could coordinate through that. Just a bit of forward motion in the overarching plot is all I'm asking for here, there's only so many new hero origin stories I can take.

the problem is there has been no real forward momentum or ongoing plot to speak of.

 

[Michael Wade]

the problem is there has been no real forward momentum or ongoing plot to speak of.

They have had a Really bad problem of introducing new heros and powers. Like they were good up until endgame but the verse felt very sparse afterwards. A renewal of space borne powers and heros could have worked. Like the effects of the snap and revival could have woken up or stirred older powers.

I know they wanted to bring back ROM the space knight for a bit before rights issues, but he would have been perfect for doing something like this. Hell 200 million on the rights would have saved them a lot of hassle in the long term. Dude is a robot Terminator who saves people from alien demons and gets a lot of mileage with crossovers and actual impact on the comics before being one of the VERY few marvel characters to complete his character arc.

Hood niggas on the MCU has the potential to be the next Inside the Actors Studio or Between Two Ferns. You gotta do more of these man. I lost it at the part about Isaiah Bradley.

Reminds me of the good old days of midnight screenings. Seriously you guys could make a little podcast out of that.

as the MCU has gotten worse over the years since Endgame, they've become more entertaining to watch it with. It's also sometimes unpredictable to know what will land or not. I watch every superhero thing with these dudes and sometimes something like Aquaman 2 comes out and I expect them to clown on the whole thing but for whatever reason most of them just flat out like it. we were all meaning to get together to watch Kraven last month but all forgot it even came out and existed until my friend asked last night if he missed it and we went oh shit! no we never watched it. so idk maybe in a few weekends I'll have something to say about that. we're all excited for daredevil but going to wait until the season's wrapped or at least half over. but this year should be entertaining with that, thunderbolts, fantastic four and superman all coming out. I think that black iron girl show is coming out too and I wouldn't watch that on my own time but I will with them if any of them want to because I know that will be hilarious.

I dug Aquaman 2 as as well. I think it's a genuinely fun flick. Although I've always been a fan of the comic book character.

 

[el bandito loco]

I dug Aquaman 2 as as well. I think it's a genuinely fun flick. Although I've always been a fan of the comic book character.

I don't really remember 2 much (I was really stoned and drunk by the end of it) but I liked the first one a lot because even though Momoa isn't really Arthur Curry I really respected the fact they shoved like 70 years of actual Aquaman comic lore I NEVER expected to see into a movie and plated it straight.

There was a moment in the theater where somebody says something to Orm and they say "King Orm?" And he totally serious goes "No. Not Orm. I am OCEAN MASTER!" and I leaned to my friend and was like yo I think I fucking love this movie.

I think I just expected everyone to hate on AM2 because nobody seemed to like it, and it was a shit show behind the scenes. That said, dudes like this really just want action scenes and couldn't give a fuck less about the rest of it. That's why if you ask them what their all time favorite superhero movie is it's probably Man of Steel, Snyder Cut, Infinity War, a random animated DC movie, Logan or one of the Deadpools. For absolutely nothing outside of whether the hero did cool fighting or not. The MCU has been lacking majorly in that department for the last few years. Daredevil coming out is like the only thing keeping these guys afloat with it.

The funniest conversation I ever had with someone about something like this was a mutual friend of mine was asking me why I don't like the new Spiderman movies much around the time of the mysterio one because someone told him I hated it. I went on my usual schpiel about how Spider-Man needs to have a relatable shit life and he was like huh. ya I don't like that shit either but it's not that I'll show you why. Pulled up a fight scene from Spiderman 2 where Spider-Man is fighting Dr octopus on a wall and said "look at this shit. Tobey Mcguire don't play. He squares up with that nigga. Look at these punches" *Spiderman is punching and headbutting doc ock* " BOW BOW BOW BOW Tobey Mcguire Spider-Man will BEAT YOUR ASS. You don't see shit like that in the new ones. He don't do this. Remember Spiderman 1 he's fighting the green goblin? He punches through a fuckin brick. If that man didn't have goblin formula his head would come clean off. Spider-Man used to be a BEAST" and I'll always remember that and laugh. He's right though go back to those movies those fights are way more brutal than we've gotten since.

 

[UCT]

So do we have any idea how good/bad the film did in theaters yet? Can’t be bothered to see these movies anymore, but I won’t lie I get some joy out of knowing how badly things are going lol. Or was the Deadpool movie enough to bring the crowds back for at least one more movie?

 

[el bandito loco]

So do we have any idea how good/bad the film did in theaters yet? Can’t be bothered to see these movies anymore, but I won’t lie I get some joy out of knowing how badly things are going lol. Or was the Deadpool movie enough to bring the crowds back for at least one more movie?

it's done well but not great so far but I imagine next week it will have a HUUUGE drop from word of mouth. I think people were probably excited to see a character they at least vaguely liked again instead of Super Space Dykes, or Wakanda Dyke, Ant-Man, already Dead Spy, random Asian guy, huge group of aliens they'd never heard of, etc. but people seeing it and saying it sucks will likely kill it. worldwide it's around 200 mil rn but don't expect that number to keep climbing.

 

[UCT]

it's done well but not great so far but I imagine next week it will have a HUUUGE drop from word of mouth. I think people were probably excited to see a character they at least vaguely liked again instead of Super Space Dykes, or Wakanda Dyke, Ant-Man, already Dead Spy, random Asian guy, huge group of aliens they'd never heard of, etc. but people seeing it and saying it sucks will likely kill it. worldwide it's around 200 mil rn but don't expect that number to keep climbing.

Considering the amount of money wasted on reshoots and them marketing on top of the theater cuts. I don’t think 200 mill or even 500 million will be enough lol.