🐮 Lolcow Jeffrey Leibowitz / Not Dead Yet

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Even the people in the community who are seemingly mature and compotent end up exposing themselves as doing retarded shit. Viperkeeper lets his King Cobra and Gaboon Viper free roam his house. I often wonder if there's venomous keepers out there who actually do follow all the rules who absolutely despise these fools.
 
Bro I don't know or care what king snakes look like. If I see one fucking around in my yard it gets the shovel.
Damn it's super weird that you don't have some kind of Internet search feature that would let you know what you're killing. Best be safe and just kill all snakes. Perhaps they're native and beneficial, kill them all because theirs NO WAY OF KNOWING whether they're venomous or not.
 
That said these are really only a danger to the person who owns them unlike a pitbull and pitbulls are legal in more of the country than venomous snakes are.
Unless you live in the same apartment complex as Jeff, who keeps his hot snakes in unsecured tupperware and has a history of losing pets like his servil.
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kQYzNMlZXJY
Even the people in the community who are seemingly mature and compotent end up exposing themselves as doing retarded shit. Viperkeeper lets his King Cobra and Gaboon Viper free roam his house. I often wonder if there's venomous keepers out there who actually do follow all the rules who absolutely despise these fools.
Yeah maybe educators, zoos and research institutions. Frankly there are no intelligent people who keep snakes that have medically significant venom as pets just for the hell of it. Maybe an exception for native venomous stuff like rattlesnakes but most of those are an order of magnitude less dangerous than a taipan. And frankly aside from bigger cottonmouths and eastern rattlesnakes, not really that likely to kill a healthy adult male. If you look at snake deaths in the US it's mostly old people, kids, and the occasional retard keeping an exotic venomous snake.
 
Are there any other good entry level snakes? I feel like everything else is either fragile or rare or really fucking big.
I have a limited amount of room and have been thinking about getting a snake and am leaning towards a children's python or any of the small python species really. Milk snakes and rosy boas are also pretty popular on the smaller end. African egg eating snakes are cool but you IDEALLY need a source of preferably fertilized quail eggs which makes it rough for most. If I had more room I'd get an indigo snake but they get fairly large.
 
I have a limited amount of room and have been thinking about getting a snake and am leaning towards a children's python or any of the small python species really. Milk snakes and rosy boas are also pretty popular on the smaller end. African egg eating snakes are cool but you IDEALLY need a source of preferably fertilized quail eggs which makes it rough for most. If I had more room I'd get an indigo snake but they get fairly large.

I knew I was forgetting something, milk snakes look cool, fast like a corn snake and shorter. The egg eaters seem really appealing to people but yeah I heard you have to source small bird eggs for juveniles and even the adults just eat qual eggs... it's not like you can just roll them a chicken eggs while you are cooking Sunday breakfast. Children's are supposed to be the most handleable/practical snakes for Aussies IIRC, they are definitely slightly larger and more active than a Ball, Dumeril's Boas and super dwarfs retics are probably in there somewhere too if you are willing to go that large.

I want to do a terrarium project and kinda want a Rainbow because they are beautiful and the terrarium would be fun/exotic and natural. I looked into them though and the rep is worrisome. I can build a Raspberry Pi to manage the temp/humidity and set off water level alarms (and that makes the build even more fun and crazy) but I wonder if it is enough given their rep for fragility. Which leaves me with the Rosy, which would require the least space, offer a fun natural scape with the lowest maintenance and still be a handleable, hardy, reliable eater. Or going Ball for the handle-ability, but then the natural scape is basically a mound of grass and dirt, maybe I could do a lightbox for the back wall and program the lights to real time in Africa or some cool shit like that but the kids would want a pied or a banana or something anyway and I don't have any other snakes so I would be chucking thawed rats whenever it was feeling Ballish.
 
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Chandler and his council of fags ( idk who any of these ppl are xcept Chandler ) weigh in on the Jeff situation.
Haven't watched it yet but I'm sure it's very insightful.
I watched it. He repeats a bunch of unfounded rumours, says “I’m sure the guy cared about the animal he’s just struggling” (despite the fact most died in his care and were in shit physical health) and then spreads a complete and utter fabrication of a Kentucky anti-venom facility. His version is they basically said Jeff was reckless for free handling and deserved to die, denied him anti-venom, said it’s wrong to keep it for their staff because Jeff needs it now. His genius IQ buddies then denounce them, sayings it’s wrong to ”deny someone their father, their brother, son etc by killing him.” Chandler says this is an example of the malice in the so-called reptile community, that it’s old ego.

What actually happened is a few weeks ago, this place said they would be prioritising anti-venom for their staff and not giving it out to reckless people free-handling venomous snakes. Makes sense, is reasonable. Before this incident, they stated this. They were not even asked for antivenin for Jeff, and if they were, that’s not public. They certainly did not basically tell him to fuck off and die, as Chandler would have you think.

Chandler free-handles his venomous snakes sometimes. He has been bitten before, and needed a lot of antivenin doses, like 6. So it makes sense that he’s a such a selfish shit, the idea of anyone hoarding a couple measly vials of the stuff ($4K a pop, Australian antivenin, that takes months and months to restock) for their employees (who endanger themselves by creating antivenin for others) would force him to invent a scenario 100x more malicious so when Chandler gets bit again, people help him.

TLDR: Chandler is a dumb lying cunt, who could be dumber, because he could be like Jeff.
 
Yeah maybe educators, zoos and research institutions. Frankly there are no intelligent people who keep snakes that have medically significant venom as pets just for the hell of it. Maybe an exception for native venomous stuff like rattlesnakes but most of those are an order of magnitude less dangerous than a taipan. And frankly aside from bigger cottonmouths and eastern rattlesnakes, not really that likely to kill a healthy adult male. If you look at snake deaths in the US it's mostly old people, kids, and the occasional retard keeping an exotic venomous snake.
Do an image search for "rattlesnake bite." You will probably survive a bite, but it will involve horrific swelling, necrosis, and general unpleasantness. The only venomous American snake I'd even think about keeping is a Copperhead. That bite won't be pretty, but I'd have all my fingers when it was over.
 
I guess its sort of a long term daredevil challenge like walking between skyscrapers or climbing mountains without any safety equipment like Alex Honnald. I don't really get challenges where you sabotage yourself after making a mistake like not keeping a stock of Antivenom or encourage needlessly reckless and unsafe practices when there are much safer ways of being a cool dude who handles venomous snakes.
Free climbing is ultimately suicidal, but they don't hurt anyone but themselves really. This asshole was risking escaped snakes killing other people, much like a shit bull owner who lets his murder dog roam free.
The immune to snake venom guy is the goat though. Seriously, he turned an accidental bite that he survived because he already had resistance into a career of being bitten and hurt in order to help others. Even if it doesn't kill him, it's still unpleasant as fuck. Not many would do that if they had the chance, and I don't blame them, because it's still painful.
That guy is a fucking hero.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kQYzNMlZXJY
Even the people in the community who are seemingly mature and compotent end up exposing themselves as doing retarded shit. Viperkeeper lets his King Cobra and Gaboon Viper free roam his house. I often wonder if there's venomous keepers out there who actually do follow all the rules who absolutely despise these fools.
Why do these people hoard snakes to the point they're forced to keep them in racks in shit like Tupperware where the snake can't even stretch out to full length or explore an environment and is basically existing in sensory deprivation? They may often like to spend a lot of time curled up under something, but that doesn't mean they never want to stretch out or move around.

It's like keeping a dog in a tiny crate and never letting it out, then being amazed it bites when you open the cage just out of frustration at its shitty, deprived environment.

I'd feel a lot better about this kind of weirdo if they'd just have one of their precious venomous snakes and keep it in as large an environment as they could afford, instead of hoarding them.
Milk snakes and rosy boas are also pretty popular on the smaller end.
They'd also satisfy someone who wants a snake that looks venomous. The only snake I ever killed, and felt bad about, was a milk snake, because it looked venomous. It looks a lot like the actually deadly coral snake.
 
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unfortunately our medical system sees fit to save people who do something dumb enough to deserve death.
an aside but thats kinda why i dont like these arguments because if everyone else has to foot the bill its not really just your decision now is it? unless he had said "okay by my principles in this social contract i will simply die as ive made my choice" but thats never what happens and arguably case by case shouldnt even be what happens.

but thats beside the point i was more looking for does this benefit society in any way. maybe researchers finding some benefit for study or caring for a specimen at home to learn more or keep it in better shape or something or as a sort of aprecentiship to then go and work on something later that has more practical or enriching scientific impact. when you get into legal stuff theres always some bs i was just curious if we put up with it for more than just freedoms sake or some such other legal shit because i noticed the only thing the venom snake keeping community said when bemoaning the possible changes in laws was theyre bad because they are because they want venomous snakes for ... i guess to just have them.

edit i sound kinda condescending in the first part and maybe throughout im just sick of assholes who will tell you to shut your mouth and then be smug until it blows then try and hold you morally hostage to sometimes even ruin yourself to help them fix it and wont listen to any concern about having told them so for the future before and during the inevitable next time
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kQYzNMlZXJY
Even the people in the community who are seemingly mature and compotent end up exposing themselves as doing retarded shit. Viperkeeper lets his King Cobra and Gaboon Viper free roam his house. I often wonder if there's venomous keepers out there who actually do follow all the rules who absolutely despise these fools.
Anyone that keeps venomous animals as a hobby isn't right in the head. Gaboon vipers are cool as fuck and they look like living skeletons, but bringing this animal to a home is complete retardation and an accident waiting to happen. These vipers aren't known to be aggressive but guess what? Inland taipans aren't either. They can still bite ffs.
 
Or a caecilian.
It's very bold of you to assume that anyone knows what that is. I would recommend a worm lizard, though. Sheltopusik for the win!!!!!!
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How did this moron get his hands on an inland taipan, anyway? They're Australian, and they're the most venomous snake on the planet. You're not allowed to export any live native animal out of Australia to have as a pet, save for a few parrots (budgies, sulphur-crested cockatoos, cockatiels, etc.). I can't fathom how this would ever make it through customs.
Most snakes have a breeding population going back to the 60s/70s a king cobra can be had for $400.

snakes produce large amount of offspring and venomous snakes have a pretty small group of people that keep them.

I was going to get into keeping venomous snakes but for training I got a highly aggressive non-venomous snake that needed to be handled like a venomous snakes and learned quicky that you only have to have a slip of attention and you get tagged.

Because the snake was non-venomous I wanted walk away with a bloody hand instead of a trip to hospital.

It's been crazy to watch the growth in venomous snakes owners risking death to get views on Instagram. Takes 5 mins and you can find people pretending to be experts free handling snake that will give you a painful death
 
If you're trying to make money off of making content with animals in it then view count incentivizes trying to do extreme things or purposefully create situations you then have to fix to make for an interesting video. At least with something like a dog then that sort of stuff can be very natural. As there is always new tricks you can train them, toy unboxings, trying to make homemade treats, getting cool footage from hikes, etc. that are all things that are normal and good to do with a dog. Making content centered around a snake sort of requires you to get really fucked with it and also encourages amassing more and more animals to make content from setting up their enclosures and introducing them. The ability to get advertiser revenue and sponsorships has really been a net negative.
 
As painful as it is these retards basically necessitate government regulation. Keeping a venomous snake should require a permit, that includes as a requirement mandatory training. For the permit to be valid, the keeper needs to pass a basic test, show proof of medical insurance and keep in date Antivenin on hand at all times. Subject to inspection by the State Agriculture Department.
 
As painful as it is these retards basically necessitate government regulation. Keeping a venomous snake should require a permit, that includes as a requirement mandatory training. For the permit to be valid, the keeper needs to pass a basic test, show proof of medical insurance and keep in date Antivenin on hand at all times. Subject to inspection by the State Agriculture Department.
Also strict liability on owners who keep these snakes. And while that's already the case for civil liability, it should be criminal, too. If your murder dog or your murder snake kills someone, you should be charged as if you had done it yourself.

Not going to go into it but Google strict liability for inherently dangerous animals.
 
Who needs Henry Rollins shilling for the Lacey act when you have all of the retards in the hotkeeper community doing a dandy job. I forgot about this dipshit and his beef with another known retard and snake killer named Eric Pharr.
 
Humans tends to stack functional groupings of higher order process circuits horizontally, so you can think of it as a "wide" distribution. As a result of this, we generally always classified animal neural anatomy and intelligence according to how similar it was to our brain/the brains of other members of the great apes since this is the predominant neural structuring in mammals.

However, we have discovered this is not appropriate for how advanced birds structure their brains. It was discovered that the functional groupings of higher order process circuits for their brains are vertical, in column like structures, so a "tall" distribution. This actually allows them to pack much more circuitry in a much smaller space, so they get much more neural processing power out of their smaller neural volume compared to a comparable brain in a mamma
Can you make a example? It's a fascinating topic but I feel like I only 50% grasped it by reading this paragraph
 
This is the topic that gets me to finally stop lurking and make a damn account!

Couldn’t reply/quote to AnOnimous’ question regarding: “Why do people keep so many snakes in tupperware?” But for anyone else reading who is also wondering, it’s a contentious source of debate in the exotic community.

There are people that take the stance that, when animals like snakes have all their needs comfortably met, they’re “happier” (in reptiles, “happiness” is closer to “stress-free,” since they don’t have the same kind of structures in their brains that process emotion the way mammals and birds do) just being in a box where there’s limited stimuli. The snakes don’t have to go actively hunt or move to places where prey might roam, so being confined is supposedly a non-issue.

Then you get the winning combination of an adrenaline junkie + hoarder and wind up with guys like Jeff, Tiger King, and every other weirdo in states like Florida or the Dakotas who have a “private zoo” where you can take a picture with a depressed lion, hold a de-taloned eagle or have tea with an obese chimpanzee.

Liebowitz’s entire livelihood and sense of worth hinged on getting an “omg wow that’s so dangerous” reaction from people. When the cobra flaring its hood becomes pedestrian, you get a mamba. When the mamba starts looking a little slow, you get a Gaboon viper. When the Gaboon’s fangs are looking kind of small, you get the taipan.

If Jeff does pull through and make a recovery, he probably won’t change a damn thing about himself. Might even sue for all the snakes that were euthanized. He will certainly double down on his “What, me worry?” dipshit attitude.
 
I want to do a terrarium project and kinda want a Rainbow because they are beautiful and the terrarium would be fun/exotic and natural. I looked into them though and the rep is worrisome. I can build a Raspberry Pi to manage the temp/humidity and set off water level alarms (and that makes the build even more fun and crazy) but I wonder if it is enough given their rep for fragility. Which leaves me with the Rosy, which would require the least space, offer a fun natural scape with the lowest maintenance and still be a handleable, hardy, reliable eater. Or going Ball for the handle-ability, but then the natural scape is basically a mound of grass and dirt, maybe I could do a lightbox for the back wall and program the lights to real time in Africa or some cool shit like that but the kids would want a pied or a banana or something anyway and I don't have any other snakes so I would be chucking thawed rats whenever it was feeling Ballish.
I don't have a lot of snake specific advice but I've put together a few vivariums. My understanding is that snakes tend to be really rough on plants so you have to be plan around them being retarded and uprooting and smashing everything less firmly grounded then a rock half buried in the dirt. Also proper grass is really hard to get going in anything less than full natural sunlight although I know there are some "grass like" plants people use to get around that.
 
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