🐮 Lolcow Jeffrey Leibowitz / Not Dead Yet

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I don't think we should stop trying to domesticate other animals just because there are drooling masses that can't even handle raising sea monkeys.
I do, and why are you "domesticating" what role are the animals you are trying to "domesticate" will fulfill other than looking pretty and making you feel good?
Are they gonna be a food source? Produce some sort of renewable resource? Help people hunt wild mammoths?
Domestication is supposed to have a specific purpose for the species, not to make "company animals" or "pets".
People started breeding ferrets cause they helped catching rabbits, chickens because we could eat them and silk moths cause they squirt fabrics.
You want to "domesticate" because YOU think it's cool to keep those animals and you don't care about the implications of it.

The animals humanity domesticated always had a job in mind.
The only fucking animal I can think of that was domesticated cause it looked pretty was the peacock but even so people still ate the shit out of those birds back then, is just that they are less practical to keep as food, chickens are easier.
Are you completely fine with people having free reign to own cattle, dogs and cats?
Free reign? No, people are retarded.
Cats get declawed.
Dogs are the most abused animal on the planet + people get breeds they can't handle. (who remembers the fat people can't have dogs war that booggie started here on the farms lol)
Good luck keeping a pet cow.
So yeah I don't think the average young scholar should be able to get a shitbull, having a pet because YOU want a company animal, and you want to take everywhere and it's OK and no one can't say NO to you is how you get service-animal nutcases, people who share a lot of traits with exotic animal hobbits.
I wonder if it has ever overlapped? Someone putting a service animal vest on a burmese python is something so stupid I think it has been done.
There is very little separating the species we're okay with keeping even though humans are in general wildly irresponsible with the environment, and those that are considered wild.
There's hundreds to thousands of years of artificial selection.
we're heading into an era where the non-approved can't even raise chickens.
Slippery slope fearmongering based on retards who've ran into trouble by raising chickens in an extremely urban environment. If you're okay with a rooster waking you up at 4 AM that's nice, but don't think everyone else in your neighborhood or even apartment complex won't put a noise complaint.

I'll say it again.
I get that snakes, arachnids and shit like big cats are cool and we're all trads who want to pet animals that make us feel some type of way, feel a connection or something. But knowing the broad implications of shit like this from feeding/"saving" wildlife to where exotic animals really come from is blackpilling.
In the end you accept that admiring animals and nature should be done without owning it or that degree of direct contact, that the main feeling driving the hobby is not passion for those animals but rather selfishness.
 
I do, and why are you "domesticating" what role are the animals you are trying to "domesticate" will fulfill other than looking pretty and making you feel good?
Are they gonna be a food source? Produce some sort of renewable resource? Help people hunt wild mammoths?
Domestication is supposed to have a specific purpose for the species, not to make "company animals" or "pets".
People started breeding ferrets cause they helped catching rabbits, chickens because we could eat them and silk moths cause they squirt fabrics.
You want to "domesticate" because YOU think it's cool to keep those animals and you don't care about the implications of it.

The animals humanity domesticated always had a job in mind.
The only fucking animal I can think of that was domesticated cause it looked pretty was the peacock but even so people sill ate the shit out of those birds back then, is just that they are less practical to keep as food, chickens are easier.
Never said there wasn't a reason beyond an animal 'lookin cool' for domesticating it, but thanks for the insinuation. There are countless animals that could be useful to us, and I'm including insects in animals as is common, for countless reasons that aren't ancient, as I am sure you know, but it seems like you'd prefer to just ignore in the modern day to paint as selfish without a cause. I simply do not agree that we as a species should be blocked from this in the future, especially concerning getting off planet. Most current farm animals simply will not work for this.
Don't take this as me saying that we should be trying to do this with any species. I've already stated my distaste for reptile breeders that keep 'hots', and it's just outright generally pointless.
Free reign? No, people are retarded.
Cats get declawed
Dogs are the most abused animal on the planet + people get breeds they can't handle. (who remembers the fat people can't have dogs war that booggie started here on the farms lol)
Good luck keeping a pet cow.
So yeah I don't think the average young scholar should be able to get a shitbull, having a pet because YOU want a company animal, and you want to take everywhere and it's OK and no one can't say NO to you is how you get service-animal nutcases, people who share a lot of traits with exotic animal hobbits.
I wonder if it has ever overlapped? Someone putting a service animal vest on a burmese python is something so stupid I think it has been done.
How did I know you were going this direction? What is your idea of a perfect system that would stop people from doing bad things to animals, or simply getting ones that they cannot care for? Is your solution not to stop this, but to simply never allow humans to dare sully an undomesticated species again? I don't like that these things happen, but I simply do not understand what you believe can be done to end animal abuse as a concept. Charge people when it can be proven to have occurred, but a cold turkey preventative in blocking access to animals is insane.
There's hundreds to thousands of years of artificial selection.
The gap between 'domestic' and 'wild' when considering when an imported species becomes a massive problem when a breeding population establishes is pretty small, cats begin fucking shit up when they're simply let outside, the difference between a wild species and the ones we've bred for thousands of years differs little in this case, talking small cats. This point in this argument concerning my greater idea is kind of moot to me now if you're really of the side ala PETA in that, for non farm cases, no joe schmoe should be able to even have a dog without the proper loicense, but I'll conclude anyways. Yes, the behavior and physiology of a domesticated animal can be massively different from it's wild counterpart, but the actual damage that an escaped population can cause ends up pretty similar in most cases, especially if they can't be eradicated which is mostly how it goes unfortunately.
Slippery slope fearmongering based on retards who've ran into trouble by raising chickens in an extremely urban environment. If you're okay with a rooster waking you up at 4 AM that's nice, but don't think everyone else in your neighborhood or even apartment complex won't put a noise complaint.
Yes, sure, that is the only way that current western governments have been attempting to restrict attempts to become self sufficient. This also applies to rural farms. Someone owning cattle in the urban jungle is fucking stupid, but it should be easily taken care of when someone is stupid enough to try. Slippery slopes have an end point, and regulators will always overstep when they are allowed, and nobody ever stops them so yes they are.

To directly point out the quote of yours you seem to really strongly support there at the end - no I do not agree, and I think acting like humans are not a part of nature is ridiculous, and or if you're saying we are, but we shouldn't be interacting with the other animals on our planet. I am not blackpilled to the point where I think we should restrict our own freedoms to such extremes. We should make the abuse and neglect of animals a more extreme crime, and make it very difficult for random retards to move whichever creature they want all over the world, doing damage to it in the process. Trying to stop the trade of truly dangerous animals is also wise, but difficult to approach.
 
Also here is a new update for Jeff who doesn't really seem concerned with his 14 dead snakes but is feeling optimistic about his YT fame as he caught the bite on camera! Wow Jeff super awesome, focus on getting better fiend!
He really wants to turn that honourable mention into a full-blown Darwin award doesn't he?
 
here are countless animals that could be useful to us, and I'm including insects in animals as is common, for countless reasons that aren't ancient, as I am sure you know, but it seems like you'd prefer to just ignore in the modern day to paint as selfish without a cause.
I won't eat ze bugs
Charge people when it can be proven to have occurred, but a cold turkey preventative in blocking access to animals is insane.
Is not about animal abuse, is the black market keeping exotics creates, I don't care about some guy having 20 malnourished snakes in bins because those situation take care of themselves.
the actual damage that an escaped population can cause ends up pretty similar in most cases, especially if they can't be eradicated which is mostly how it goes unfortunately.
The damage is always fucking massive and eradication can totally happen, unless "animal lovers" and PETA start bitching when a program that encourages kill on sight of invasive species gets going. Happened with pythons and iguanas in FL and believe it or not with fucking hippos in Columbia and there was only like 60 that could be all killed in a week.
make it very difficult for random retards to move whichever creature they want all over the world, doing damage to it in the process. Trying to stop the trade of truly dangerous animals is also wise, but difficult to approach.
100% right, but it IS already difficult to traffic animals, they don't care. They only need 3 or 4 live ones to make it, and they send hundreds. Stopping trade, export, smuggling and poaching is fucking nightmarish. But if you stop the hobby, the need for new merchandise, the demand... Well then the supply chain loses it's purpose.
I know it sucks, and I don't blame you... but if you had a job at customs or had to deal with the visible damage of the ecosystems on either side (native from poaching and foreign from invasive species.) you would have a different perspective.
Again this is a lot like CP.
 
According to Wikipedia:
Belcher's sea snake, which sometimes is mistakenly called the hook-nosed sea snake, has been erroneously popularized as the most venomous snake in the world, due to the first edition of Ernst and Zug's book, Snakes in Question: The Smithsonian Answer Book, published in 1996. Prominent venom expert Associate Professor Bryan Grieg Fry has clarified the error: "The hook nosed myth was due to a fundamental error in a book called Snakes in Question… Studies on mice and human cardiac cell culture show that venom of the inland taipan is the most toxic among all snakes.
This explains a lot. He fell for the “hooked nose myth”. :story:
 
Anyone that keeps venomous animals as a hobby isn't right in the head. Gaboon vipers are cool as fuck and they look like living skeletons, but bringing this animal to a home is complete retardation and an accident waiting to happen. These vipers aren't known to be aggressive but guess what? Inland taipans aren't either. They can still bite ffs.
In defense of that guy, because he genuinely is one of the ones that seem responsible while also accepting risk he 1. Has anti-venom on hand that he personally owns 2. Doesn’t free handle afaik 3. Doesn't keep them in Tupperware

Inland Taipans aren’t really comparable to Gaboon Vipers, considering taipans are far more deadly and more defensive. Gaboon Vipers have only ever bitten humans when they’ve been stepped on, and even then they don’t always bite, it’s just not their default or immediate instinct. Which is pretty interesting. Of course it could always happen, and individuals can have more aggro personalities, but that video just isn’t anywhere near the realm of what Jeff was doing. That’s his snake he knows the temperment of and if he got bit, he’d expect exactly zero sympathy.

I‘m just noting this because it’s interesting, I get why people would still hate on that video.
 
1. Has anti-venom on hand that he personally owns 2. Doesn’t free handle afaik 3. Doesn't keep them in Tupperware
While that is the bare minimum, there is always a risk the snake might run away from its enclosure and bite someone else. Even that other more responsible guy that jeff hated had snakes escape before and he filmed it.


Inland Taipans aren’t really comparable to Gaboon Vipers, considering taipans are far more deadly and more defensive. Gaboon Vipers have only ever bitten humans when they’ve been stepped on, and even then they don’t always bite, it’s just not their default or immediate instinct. W
Inland taipans aren't aggressive, they are calm snakes despite being the most venomous ones. The few bite incidents that have been recorded are mostly not even from wild snakes, but from captive snakes being handled.

Gaboon Vipers are certainly deadly btw, their venom is really potent and you can end up with a limb amputated if it doesnt just kill you. "Knowing the temperament of his snakes" Doesn't guarantee accidents won't happen, considering snakes are stupid as rocks and can change their temperament very quickly.
 
Ah shit, I’m getting mad at the internet.

He’s smug now but there has to be some kind of legislative backlash coming. I saw somewhere (reddit or youtube) that the Travis the chimp attack prompted a ton of animal rights groups to demand tighter restrictions on the import and sale of primates, so the same might happen in response to Jeff’s retardation.

Unfortunately though I think that might just be wishful thinking since the chimp attack was national news when it happened due to the sheer brutality inflicted on the victim and that chilling 911 call. “Laid up in a hospital bed with shutdown kidneys” is horrible but not spectacular in the way that “scalped, gouged out her eyes and tore off her lower jaw” was. People won’t see it as a “big deal” because the dude was able to get the care he needed and will presumably be paying for it (the bum probably won’t).
 
This is what we call a king snake in Australia, where @Dyn myself, and several other individuals who've commented on this thread reside:

I take it back @Dyn. If I lived in Australia I'd probably shoot first and ask questions later too. As far as I'm concerned everything in Aussie land is out to kill you.

In the US there aren't to many snakes capable of killing you, fucking you up sure but deaths are rare unless they're a retard who keep foreign snakes for funsies. The venomous ones are pretty hard to missidentify here. The most common dangerous snake in the US even fucking warns you that you're to close.

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While that is the bare minimum, there is always a risk the snake might run away from its enclosure and bite someone else. Even that other more responsible guy that jeff hated had snakes escape before and he filmed it.



Inland taipans aren't aggressive, they are calm snakes despite being the most venomous ones. The few bite incidents that have been recorded are mostly not even from wild snakes, but from captive snakes being handled.

Gaboon Vipers are certainly deadly btw, their venom is really potent and you can end up with a limb amputated if it doesnt just kill you. "Knowing the temperament of his snakes" Doesn't guarantee accidents won't happen, considering snakes are stupid as rocks and can change their temperament very quickly.
I already said there is always a risk. Gaboons are less aggressive than taipans, this is inarguable, keepers of taipans in reaction to this issue have shared their experiences and it’s known they WILL bite to defend and don’t hesitate as much as people think. I never said Gaboon vipers aren’t deadly, that was not the point, and I never said accidents wouldn’t happen which would be a nonsense statement. This is stating the obvious and going in circles. Knowing the temperment of individual any animal species is absolutely a relevant consideration and safety factor. Nothing is guaranteed, that’s again not even close to the point.
 
Honestly a lot of animal youtubers especially ones below like 100k are awful pet owners. who at least suck at keeping animals and often own too many and at most flatout neglect or abuse them for content.

I'm surprised there isnt a general Pettuber thread since it often gets touched upon in the animal breeder horror thread with the SMASHED AND SLAMMED dogs

Reminds me a lot of Pet Keeping with Marc Marone. I can’t find any full episodes online, but I used to watch this guy on tv every Saturday morning when I was a kid. The show would air at 6:30 and the cartoons would start at 7, so I usually would catch it while waiting for the cartoons.
His animals are constantly fighting or getting hurt, and even as a little kid I was horrified

 
I'm gonna say it, I'm all for retards owning dangerous animals and think we should have a Livestream that's just a house full of retards trying to raise dangerous animals.
 
According to Wikipedia:

This explains a lot. He fell for the “hooked nose myth”. :story:
They say 6 million of them were killed in a massive forest fire, but it was more likely 200,000 and mostly from disease.

I take it back @Dyn. If I lived in Australia I'd probably shoot first and ask questions later too. As far as I'm concerned everything in Aussie land is out to kill you.

In the US there aren't to many snakes capable of killing you, fucking you up sure but deaths are rare unless they're a retard who keep foreign snakes for funsies. The venomous ones are pretty hard to missidentify here. The most common dangerous snake in the US even fucking warns you that you're to close.

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Not only do they have a warning that’s audible, many times they’re also patient and will give you time to fuck off. I had a close encounter a few months ago back before the summer heat hit in may. Something told me to look down and there it was, a C. atrox flicking its tongue. I wear snake bite PPE on my walks so I’m fine and good, but if I hadn’t then that’d be scary.
 
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