Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

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Agreed. A lot of women don't even really have tastes that are that bad. They just have focused more on fitting in than finding things that are interesting or unique.
That's what annoys me most about women. Just be honest about what you enjoy. Unless it's something genuinely weird to the point of being degenerate or a sign of mental illness, it comes off as more endearing that you have a genuine passion or attraction to something. I am certain that this is the cause of a lot of mental dysfunction in women and why they are genuine buzzkills to be around. I don't even hate women per se, but I can't see myself in a serious relationship with a woman who "fakes it to make it" because there's a good chance that she feels the same way about me since I don't care what people think about my nerdy hobbies and interests and just do it for my own sake and the sake of loved one's being entertained.
 
why are incels and femcels not just uniting with each other to get laid, it feels like that would solve major problems going on on both sides.
 
why are incels and femcels not just uniting with each other to get laid, it feels like that would solve major problems going on on both sides.
They're single for different reasons. Incels are the result of some combination of mental illness, developmental disorders, a child's understanding of women, isolation, and more generally clownworld. There's a high chance these are men who have never had female attention outside of their immediate family. Femcels are spinsters because they've pushed everyone away from them. She could pick up a man, but she'd quickly lose him after he gets sick of her shit.

I.e. incel = pathetic failed man. femcel = horrid BPD boss bitch.

You'd never get these two groups to do much more than fuck because the femcel would immediately dump the incel in search of greener pastures, or he'd gtfo after she slashed his tires. You'd have an easier time trying to eliminate crime in Detroit.
 
thats a respectable enough perspective
They're single for different reasons. Incels are the result of some combination of mental illness, developmental disorders, a child's understanding of women, isolation, and more generally clownworld. There's a high chance these are men who have never had female attention outside of their immediate family. Femcels are spinsters because they've pushed everyone away from them. She could pick up a man, but she'd quickly lose him after he gets sick of her shit.

I.e. incel = pathetic failed man. femcel = horrid BPD boss bitch.

You'd never get these two groups to do much more than fuck because the femcel would immediately dump the incel in search of greener pastures, or he'd gtfo after she slashed his tires. You'd have an easier time trying to eliminate crime in Detroit
 
why are incels and femcels not just uniting with each other to get laid, it feels like that would solve major problems going on on both sides.
They both have incredibly high standards despite not being a catch themselves. Like a fat chick who doesn't want to fuck fat dudes.
 
why are incels and femcels not just uniting with each other to get laid, it feels like that would solve major problems going on on both sides.
I don't think there is any actual practical venue for them to mingle. Not IRL (how many actually go out for anything other than groceries?) and not even online. You really think an incel would visit and actively participate in a femcel echo chamber and vice versa? Any cross-talkers that do exist probably don't announce themselves so as not to cause a stink. Even if you DID make a designated mixing place good luck getting the stubborn fucks to participate in good faith.
 
why are incels and femcels not just uniting with each other to get laid
Because, unlike incels, femcels have basically convinced themselves that they don't need a man and they can just fill that void in their hearts with pets and anime, meanwhile many incels still put pussy on a pedestal.
 
ATTENTION INCELS AND FEMCELS!

All of your problems are self inflicted, we both know this and you refuse to do anything about it. You deserve your suffering.

Much love
Spud
 
A lot of incels are delusional in the sense that they don’t just want a Woman, they want someone who it is for the most part unrealistic that they could get to date them in their situation. A lot of stuff about how many people they slept with or whatever. That and based on the fact that they don’t seem to treat Women as just a person and more like a reward or something.
And if they do finally get to be with a woman, it's like the equivalent of a hentai fanboy who flies to Tokyo and is disappointed that attractive women with beach-ball sized breasts and an insatiable appetite for him don't exist there. That being said, doing without dating, sex, or relationships gets easier once you learn how to disconnect from it mentally.
Inceldom is a big ego issue as well, lots of spergs lack the ability to self-reflect. Hell, probably most incels are on the spectrum.

Anyone here "make it" as an autist? It gets tiring LARPing socially, especially around women.
That's true, there's a lot of "how do I get girls to like me" shit that goes on with normies sometimes, so you know it can be really fucking bad with autists and incels. Having a sex drive and not knowing how to deal with it appropriately is definitely a disaster waiting to happen.

A big reason you can't get a girlfriend is because the women you're interested in need things that you can't provide. Normies don't understand shit about autistic guys who would like to get laid or a relationship, because they've never been in their situation before.
I'm not clinically an autist, but it's very tiresome and it feels bad having to effectively lie all the time.

So several years ago I resolved to quit doing it. Everybody think I'm a pitiable aloof weirdo now, but that's better than being loved and respected for a character I'm playing.
The people I deal with are kind of used to me by now, I admit that it's nice to be seen as an asset and not a liability for once in my life, but some normies are too stupid to be convinced of anything other than whatever they see on TV or social media.
Relationships are also chore like and participating in ones when you are not particularly suited or fond of them in general can also become big psychological problems.




Even women that say they hate fake people will hate you if you do not fake it and play a part. That should be a clue as to just how full of shit women are. It's offensive on a gut level when you do not pretend for them since they are pretending for you. If you can't con women into desiring you or sleeping with you how are you going to acquire resources for her to take from you?
Faking interest in you until the next Chad or Tyrone shows up? More than likely the case.
know a guy who didn't land a wife until he was nearly forty. big on religion, said he had been praying to god to send him a wife for a long time. in the mean time he kept working hard and being productive. good job, hard worker, etc. it worked out for him. some people take longer than others, but it's what you do with the time in between that counts. he made himself an attractive partner and let things flow naturally. now he's expecting a baby with his wife who is like 12 years younger than him. you should have hope. and, no pun intended, i hope you can get to that point some day.
Interesting story, but honestly I don't see much hope for us autistic atheists.
i understand your autism may find this confusing, but cars and guns (perfectly normal, reasonable interests) are not really comparable to your "non offending pedophile" lifestyle
It looks like something from the Road Warrior, which is cool. I have nothing against anime but I don't really watch it much.
 
I don't think there is any actual practical venue for them to mingle. Not IRL (how many actually go out for anything other than groceries?) and not even online. You really think an incel would visit and actively participate in a femcel echo chamber and vice versa? Any cross-talkers that do exist probably don't announce themselves so as not to cause a stink. Even if you DID make a designated mixing place good luck getting the stubborn fucks to participate in good faith.
That's true. Both groups are utterly dysfunctional and wear their lack of game like a badge. I'm pretty sure they can't even properly fall in love, let alone get someone to fall for them since they're so cloistered at this point.
 
Hypergamy
Solipsism

These are the concepts by which a woman abides.

There is no woman who is loyal. Who is self-responsible. Who is empathetic.
From the "fairer" gender, there is only greed and entitlement.

The unfortunate reality is that simply too many women are whores, and they've even managed to infiltrate the premises of Kiwifarms, with the blessing of dear leader Joshua-chan.
 
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why are incels and femcels not just uniting with each other to get laid, it feels like that would solve major problems going on on both sides.
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There's a high chance these are men who have never had female attention outside of their immediate family.
Yes.
That's true. Both groups are utterly dysfunctional and wear their lack of game like a badge. I'm pretty sure they can't even properly fall in love, let alone get someone to fall for them since they're so cloistered at this point.
Fuck, it feels good to be understood!
 
why are incels and femcels not just uniting with each other to get laid, it feels like that would solve major problems going on on both sides.
Because femcels do not exist, it's as simple as that.

We true incels are not alone by choice. We did not choose to lead miserable lives slaving away in a wage cage to come home to an empty home, and waste our rare free time with games and booze. We were born average looking men and so women discarded us and left us for dead.

"Femcels" however are pretenders. And I know them well, I have tried to speak to them many a time during the 2010s because I wanted to understand what they were. Most of them have had boyfriends in the last year of adopting the title of "femcel". Most of them have men interested in them. All of them could get a partner but they choose to stay high in the hypergamy tree looking for chad rather than browsing lower where there are plenty of average men to pick from.

They try to deceive you, don't believe their lies.
 
They're single for different reasons. Incels are the result of some combination of mental illness, developmental disorders, a child's understanding of women, isolation, and more generally clownworld. There's a high chance these are men who have never had female attention outside of their immediate family. Femcels are spinsters because they've pushed everyone away from them. She could pick up a man, but she'd quickly lose him after he gets sick of her shit.

I.e. incel = pathetic failed man. femcel = horrid BPD boss bitch.

You'd never get these two groups to do much more than fuck because the femcel would immediately dump the incel in search of greener pastures, or he'd gtfo after she slashed his tires. You'd have an easier time trying to eliminate crime in Detroit.
Now you say that but Detroit actually saw a double digit reduction in the number of crimes committed in 2023. All of which was due to policing improvements and community outreach. Turns out if you give a shit, and take active steps to improve a bad situation things get fixed. Shame the incels will never learn that.
 
Incels are something that was and wasn't avoidable: There'll always be unfuckable/lonely people. People who just don't fit in or belong or are fucked by life circumstances or mental issues and there's no boomer advice or tip that sounds like something a Friends character would say that will change or help with that.

However, when it becomes a social issue to the point a female version has risen (Femcels) then there's something that went wrong with society indeed.
Because femcels do not exist
They do. They're pretty much the personification of what an incel thinks a woman is minus the beauty.

Because, somehow, these gals convinced themselves they got game on men they seek so they won't waste their time with an average dude. Thing is the men they're seeking are way above and out of their league. That's why both incels and femcels hate each other.

There's some bullshit reinterpretation on what a femcel supposedly is by feminists but we know they're just seeking engagement. But it just shows how much awareness there is.
I'm pretty sure they can't even properly fall in love, let alone get someone to fall for them since they're so cloistered at this point.
This along with toxic upbringing which already gives way to insufficient self-esteem are strong reasons for their lack of relationships. They don't fall in love to a specific person because they just simply want companionship regardless.

Being more specfic they weren't taught what "love" (as in, romantic love) really is. The only thing they know since their notion of self started to develop is that they suck which is usually the result of an overbearing/abusive parent(s). Children are not stupid, they know when they're being treated as such.

This can only aggravate if the child is being bullied by a sibling at home. People often talk about bullying regarding school but it also happens at households.

As @Not A Bunny said in another thread:
If someone is a legit incel (not someone who doesn't like female-focused media), it's because they are continually being told by the world that they are irredeemable, unattractive, and completely unloveable.
If that happens during early childhood when the child starts developing habits that'll persist throughout its whole life one cannot expect a fully confident and mentally well-adjusted adult in the future.

I'm not taking into account the possibility of inheriting a personality disorder.

In a nutshell an incel is the end result of a minimally or barely functional household with toxic and/or lacking relatives along with pre-existing mental issues (mostly inherited).
 
I'm not really an incel personally, although—if the eggheads who diagnosed me are to be believed—I am an "autist". I know how to get a certain kind of woman. I've been on a date or two to see if I could do it, and the lady was interested (sexually). All I could see was some guy's daughter. As far as mindset goes, I may as well be an alien. If we're not raising kids, what's the point?

Here's a question: how is a woman actually supposed to make you "less lonely"? Has anyone stopped to think about that? How is a woman supposed to make you less lonely in a way that a man can't? That sounds gay, but what I mean is that I'm actually not familiar with the emotions that you're supposed to feel when you're "not lonely" in some sort of romantic context. Hugs? Kisses? That's emotional warmth; emotional warmth isn't exclusively transferred through romantic gestures.

In my experience, "loneliness" is alleviated by being understood. It's the feeling when you're able to resonate with a person over some hidden part of your soul. That could be talking about your degenerate /trash/ level fetish psychology with like-minded reprobates, or it could be collaborating on some kind of creative project with someone who "gets it". I recommend the latter over the former. Am I saying that you should get a boyfriend and have AIDS together? No. What I am saying, though, is that if gays—the incestuous version of friendship—are having closer male relationships than you are, it means that you're doing something wrong.

Can men have that with women? From what I've read, it's possible in the context of a healthy relationship/marriage. Maybe it's possible in other areas in rare exceptions. It's by no means exclusive to women, though, and frankly I don't care to pursue it unless it becomes clear that I'm not called to celibacy (or strong enough for it). Women compel me through their shapes to be attracted to them, but that's about it. I can just lock my eyes onto a phone pole if they happen to jiggle-on-by, and it doesn't effect me.

The biggest difference between men and women is that if you ask a man why he had sex, he'll say "because I wanted to" or "I was attracted to her"; you know what I heard an actual woman say once, with my own two ears, when asked that same question? She said—and I'm not making this up—"I was lonely".

That is fundamentally not a male solution to that problem. If a man is lonely he takes his bros to McDonalds.

I'm not saying don't get a girlfriend or find a wife; I'm just saying that if that's not happening you don't need to lose your head. There are motivated forces who really want you to lose your head.

If you want to know the real reason why so many men aren't connecting with women, ask why almost all new younger converts to traditional Christian groups are men these days. The women converting are almost always the wives of men who took the initiative to get the family converted. The man is still ultimately the primary agency behind it.

I've got nothing against women, but I've got no idea what they're up to, and frankly at this point I'm not really losing sleep over it. If God wants me to have a wife it'll be possible. If it becomes clear that I'm not cut out for a monastic path, which I'm likely not considering my less than stellar track record of self-control, then I'll have to look for a steady woman. I'm not pining for one though.

For that other guy saying it's rougher for atheist incels, atheism is a skill issue.
 
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