I dont get why so many hate anime?

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Anime is hated because of several factors

1. Fans. Weebs are known for being weird, and most normies look down on them. I'd say a decent amount of it is warranted but alot of the time it's just stereotypes
2. Alot of questionable anime, look at the Loli/Shota stuff
3. Sexualization of girls, I mentioned Loli stuff but even 14-year-old girls with panty shots or skimpy outfits, generalizing to get the point across.

I am of course speaking in-generals

I am a big anime fan myself but I am also nuanced on the issue and realize why some people don't like the medium.

However, I'd argue anime isn't even fully mainstream. Sure Shonen shows and some titles like AoT or Berserk are household names, especially after COVID, but most other shows aren't. This is for many different reasons but some are just weird for people to fully get themselves into while others are unknown or bad faith actors give them a bad rep
But most modern anime are either cringe, poorly written, or relate to the japanese life more than anything.
For every anime that gets tons of attention, there are another 50 that get made that no one watches. There is way too much Anime. Alot of those are boring or just slide shows with moving mouths.
 
@Grub Yeah the Berserk example is weird to me too.
Don't get me wrong, I actually liked Berserk but it's pretty fucked up.
To me its no accident that anime only became mainstream when Pokemon's first season was on the airwaves. People in the age range want something they can take seriously but which is still fun. Even the oft-mentioned Akira I recall being something that turned away a lot of people at first.
I never really thought of Pokemon as anime when it was first airing. It was just another cartoon. Dragonball played a way bigger part in introducing me to anime than Pokemon ever did. The main ones that led me to seek out more of it were Dragonball, Akira and Ninja Scroll. I still don't really think of Pokemon when I think of anime.
 
The farms are unique in terms of anime hate. Forgive me for using this term, but if you go outside you will find that anime hate is nearly nonexistent.
Majority of it comes from a lot of out of touch millennials as well as contrarian users.
There is also a unique sect of retards who have anime derangement syndrome and sperg out constantly claiming its all pedophilia (as well as everything else they don't like).
I think that stems from a mixture of lack of modern western alternatives, being mind broken by actual cases of pedophilia in politics/on the Internet, and also too buck broken by leftist pseudo morality to abandon it completely.
One of the things I hate most about weebs is they live in complete denial of how little they're liked because they're too autistic to understand.

Anime avatar is slang for complete idiot / pedophile. This is self explanatory.
Cosplayers are hated in most communities because they're fat ugly people dressing like retards or prostitutes finding an easy market. Cosplay moving into other interests is not popular.
Dungeons and dragons players have to constantly battle with weebs who want to turn their games into animes or porn games. The reputation for online DnD is utterly in the gutter specifically because of anime fans and their culture. Furries were bad but anime fans have even less attachment to reality and social skills.
How many gamers hate gacha shit aimed at weebs? More damage anime has done to things it overwhelms and leaves a bad taste in the mouth of non-weebs.
Waifufags? What more needs to be said?


@Grub Yeah the Berserk example is weird to me too.

To me its no accident that anime only became mainstream when Pokemon's first season was on the airwaves. People in the age range want something they can take seriously but which is still fun. Even the oft-mentioned Akira I recall being something that turned away a lot of people at first.

Personally if I was introducing someone to anime for the first time, the ones I've found most consistently successful are Ranma 1/2 and Slayers... though Ranma is harder to recommend these days, not because of the actual content of the story but because retards like to draw it into the culture war discussion.

And when I say "Slayers," I mean this one. Not Goblin Slayer, Not Demon Slayer... Just "Slayers."
I grew up watching the same series and I watched all of Ranma. Ranma should be judged on it's content when the most common joke is

>Man turns into a woman
>Man is molested by an old man
>Old man wants to steal man's underwear
>Man often shows 'his' breasts to the old man as a trap

There are other issues but that isn't normal and it's plain creepy when you say it plainly. When is that kind of thing acceptable?

Slayers also contains a rape scene they had to censor for the TV series and endless jokes about Lina's chest size. It's a bastardization of Western fantasy full of all the annoying tropes ex-anime fans see through and hate.

Anime didn't become popular in the 2000s, it had plenty of successful series before Pokemon came out. And the problem isn't that anime exists, it's that anime has become the only animation any one is interested in any more. Early MTV had some really interesting adult animation and it all got swallowed up by anime slop and dissolved into the same tropey otaku focused sludge as everything else anime touches.
 
This question made me think of this video:


For me, it's a mixed bag. It's like movies - some are really good, and some are bad. I don't consider it any better as a medium besides animation quality.
 
Anime didn't become popular in the 2000s, it had plenty of successful series before Pokemon came out
I think it would be appropriate to say Anime was known in the 2000s with the rise of 4kids English dubs and Toonami on Adult Swim. When most people nowadays talk about anime going mainstream, it's usually in the context of anime becoming more popular post-covid and newer anime fans getting weirded out by alot of the touchy topics within anime/anime fanbases. Hence why they either try to change the fanbases entirely, leave them, or only hover around the popular titles/genres

I agree with most of what you said. Especially with the cosplay part, and seeing how Onlyfan chicks are cashing in on the media and grifting the living hell out of losers for cosplaying as X anime girl, it is working. I see Rape getting thrown around alot but within some context of anime, it makes sense. Berserk is the most famous one but within the story, you can make the argument they handled it well seeing how it's a hellish medieval setting with tons of war, people dying, and demons, and it's meant to make people feel uncomfortable. Idk if this is related but I'll just add to it that Alot of Western media is starting to take on anime tropes more and more to compete with it as a result of its rise to popularity while most Western media (comics and cartoons) are failing for many different reasons.
 
I agree with most of what you said. Especially with the cosplay part, and seeing how Onlyfan chicks are cashing in on the media and grifting the living hell out of losers for cosplaying as X anime girl, it is working.
But it's even weirder than wanting to see a IRL version of an anime character. Ahego is a specific hentai thing that has now become a real life porn genre. The obsession with incest in Japanese media and the mainstream porn site mirroring of it in western porn is so weird. Anime is now so over saturated you have porn stars practicing eye rolling and sticking their tongue out as far as possible. Porn is already degenerate and went a lot of weird places but it looks retarded and the only people who would want it are anime fans who associated badly drawn art with female pleasure.

Another issue I didn't mention is that anime will not go away. It's been pushed into the mainstream for 25 years now. It's every kids show except for toddlers. It's a lot of games. It's every where and it's the same art style and same faces with different hair cuts. 25 years of a generic style that lost any substance long ago is both mind numbing and annoying. People complain about the culture war from 2016 on wards, but anime was already present the same way from 2000 on wards. 10 years of culture war is bad, 25 years of anime is worse.
 
But it's even weirder than wanting to see a IRL version of an anime character. Ahego is a specific hentai thing that has now become a real life porn genre. The obsession with incest in Japanese media and the mainstream porn site mirroring of it in western porn is so weird. Anime is now so over saturated you have porn stars practicing eye rolling and sticking their tongue out as far as possible. Porn is already degenerate and went a lot of weird places but it looks retarded and the only people who would want it are anime fans who associated badly drawn art with female pleasure.

Another issue I didn't mention is that anime will not go away. It's been pushed into the mainstream for 25 years now. It's every kids show except for toddlers. It's a lot of games. It's every where and it's the same art style and same faces with different hair cuts. 25 years of a generic style that lost any substance long ago is both mind numbing and annoying. People complain about the culture war from 2016 on wards, but anime was already present the same way from 2000 on wards. 10 years of culture war is bad, 25 years of anime is worse.
I like anime alot but I always found the Ahego stuff to be weird, never understood how that turns people on. Especially seeing it IRL and not on anime girls is even weirder. I don't even hate the Onlyfan chicks or pornstars for doing it now, there is always money with retards.

Anime has always been around online in some regards, old Reddit and 4chan and famous for example, and YouTube fandubs were popular when I was growing up. But as mentioned anime stuff is taking over Western media because Western media is in a rut and basically dying in some aspects for many different reasons and Japanese media (anime) is taking over. This can be seen alot in the culture war stuff online. Hence why alot of them are taking tropes from them more and more, usually making them shitty. There is nothing wrong with taking inspiration or referencing, anime does this itself with Western media, but alot of Western media now is just diet anime to cash in. It's only going to get worse as Western retards are trying to change it and push their degenerate messages around also.
 
Well hey, who's to blame really for the decline in quality of Western media and animation? Anime is just, for better or worse, filling a void left behind.
Anime avatar is slang for complete idiot / pedophile. This is self explanatory.
Cosplayers are hated in most communities because they're fat ugly people dressing like retards or prostitutes finding an easy market. Cosplay moving into other interests is not popular.
Dungeons and dragons players have to constantly battle with weebs who want to turn their games into animes or porn games. The reputation for online DnD is utterly in the gutter specifically because of anime fans and their culture. Furries were bad but anime fans have even less attachment to reality and social skills.
How many gamers hate gacha shit aimed at weebs? More damage anime has done to things it overwhelms and leaves a bad taste in the mouth of non-weebs.
Waifufags? What more needs to be said?
True, waifu culture is pretty cringe. And most gacha games are pretty crappy as well. I'll give you those.

But hey, some people pick anime profiles simply because they like the character being shown, or because they are a fan of the medium, even if some of said users are degenerate.

What's wrong with people wanting to dress up like their favorite characters? Although yeah, you do need to be in good shape (or at least have the figure of the character you are cosplaying) to make it work. The overweight look really doesn't help its image, I agree.

And as for DnD, I can't really say much on that matter, as I'm a pleb who's never played it. But that's usually why you stick to people who you know well. And honestly, I blame the reputation more on Critical Role personally speaking.

All fandoms have their degenerates.
 
Well hey, who's to blame really for the decline in quality of Western media and animation? Anime is just, for better or worse, filling a void left behind.

True, waifu culture is pretty cringe. And most gacha games are pretty crappy as well. I'll give you those.

But hey, some people pick anime profiles simply because they like the character being shown, or because they are a fan of the medium, even if some of said users are degenerate.

What's wrong with people wanting to dress up like their favorite characters? Although yeah, you do need to be in good shape (or at least have the figure of the character you are cosplaying) to make it work. The overweight look really doesn't help its image, I agree.

And as for DnD, I can't really say much on that matter, as I'm a pleb who's never played it. But that's usually why you stick to people who you know well. And honestly, I blame the reputation more on Critical Role personally speaking.

All fandoms have their degenerates.
The decline of Western animation is over hyped. There is still plenty of good western animation being made if you look for it.

I explained what was wrong with all of it. "All fandoms have their degenerates" is true. But anime has more degenerates than normal fans. When your weird porn interests overwhelm normal porn interests there is something very strange going on.
 
One of the things I hate most about weebs is they live in complete denial of how little they're liked because they're too autistic to understand.

Anime avatar is slang for complete idiot / pedophile. This is self explanatory.
Cosplayers are hated in most communities because they're fat ugly people dressing like retards or prostitutes finding an easy market. Cosplay moving into other interests is not popular.
Dungeons and dragons players have to constantly battle with weebs who want to turn their games into animes or porn games. The reputation for online DnD is utterly in the gutter specifically because of anime fans and their culture. Furries were bad but anime fans have even less attachment to reality and social skills.
How many gamers hate gacha shit aimed at weebs? More damage anime has done to things it overwhelms and leaves a bad taste in the mouth of non-weebs.
Waifufags? What more needs to be said?
I'm about 50% sure you are simply pretending to be retarded, which is worse than actually being retarded, but fuck it.
Forgive me again for using this term, but please go outside. Normalfags love anime, its everywhere from t-shirts to malls to even on their cars (essentially replacing shit like SW/HP bumper stickers). Every normalfag I know watches and talks about anime. Anime avatar sperging died out amongst normalfags around 2020 when every single one of them started watching it. Cosplay has fuck all to do with anime in the west (most even today most dress up as marvel characters); but is also big enough with normalfags that there is a club on every college campus dedicated to it. DnD does not relate to anime, but normalfags love injecting it so much into their games that they make 5E conversions based around it. ChiCom gatcha shit also isn't anime but a surprising amount of normalfags play them. The only thing that may be relevant today is the dislike of waifufags, but they are an ever shrinking minority because of normalfags becoming anime lovers. The only people who legitimately think anime hate is wide spread are out of touch millennials and terminally online idiots who live in echochambers.
 
Majority of it comes from a lot of out of touch millennials
If it's millennials they're likely doing the same contrarian stuff and not actually out of touch. DBZ gundam and evangelion were extremely popular during the 90s-2000s. Even then millenials were growing up on shit like reruns of speed racer (which like a lot of long standing popular shit first got imported in the 60s) . I've noticed there's a cycle where like every few years or so for the last 20 years or so anime "goes mainstream for the first time evar!!!!!" It's pure clickbait. This shit has been popular since decades in the past, and every time it "goes mainstream" it's some marketing move that sometimes entails someone treating it like it's some shocking new thing. Anime and western cartoon studios have also been linked up in some manner for the longest fucking time as well in some weird fucking relationship. Stuff like the RankinBass stop motion TV specials were made by JP animators, and there's a lot more examples of just shit being "anime with extra steps".

The speed racer factor in particular is something that's kind of interesting looking back. Western media companies occasionally tried making reboots or "sequels" to it. One of those times was actually during the 90s when those re runs were airing on TV.
The re-runs of the Original kept airing even after this show got canned like well into the late 2000s IIRC, but I can't remember if reruns of this show kept airing that long too. There were like 2 really badly animated sequel attempts after this.
There was also some Lawsuit surrounding either this or the dub of a japanese produced reboot from around the time, I can't remember which right now but that's kind of irrelevant to the whole situation.

My BIG POINT here is that anyone that lived through these times and didn't get Swallowed by clout seeking insanity post 2020 can kind of immediately recognize the BS faux boomerisms at play. Actual boomers back in the day at least had a potential excuse of being sheltered from pop culture of the time, or more aware of the other terms for anime like "japanimation". There's a clear difference of tone between someone making fun of anime or anime fans while disliking it or people trying to frame it as a political enemy for updoots that's so fucking obvious even autists can see it, even if the words used are similar.

Sorry if this came a bit later, been multitasking like hell the last few hours on and off while also talking with a friend.
 
Ranma should be judged on it's content when the most common joke is

>Man turns into a woman
>Man is molested by an old man
>Old man wants to steal man's underwear
>Man often shows 'his' breasts to the old man as a trap

There are other issues but that isn't normal and it's plain creepy when you say it plainly. When is that kind of thing acceptable?

Slayers also contains a rape scene they had to censor for the TV series
... So right here your post contains two statements that are just straight up wrong.

One is that "that's the most common plot" in Ranma. Out of all the episodes I can name maybe like two that happens in (the Happo Fire Burst arc and the Hiryu Shoten Ha arc)... that's four episodes of a 161 episode series. For some reason people like to act like Happosai dominated the series once he appears, but that's a little like saying every James Bond movie was a self-parody once Roger Moore took over.

Two is that there was ever a rape scene in Slayers. There wasn't. Never was. To be fair I think I know what you're misremembering, but... just because the word "rape" is used does not make something a rape scene, any more than me saying "bam, pow" makes this an episode of 60s Batman.

When most people nowadays talk about anime going mainstream, it's usually in the context of anime becoming more popular post-covid
Uhh, what? Anime was pretty mainstream by at least 2003.

I never really thought of Pokemon as anime when it was first airing. It was just another cartoon. Dragonball played a way bigger part in introducing me to anime than Pokemon ever did. The main ones that led me to seek out more of it were Dragonball, Akira and Ninja Scroll. I still don't really think of Pokemon when I think of anime.
No offense but it doesn't really matter whether you thought of it as one or not in the context of "did it help make anime mainstream?"

I was going to school in the 1990s. I remember having to swim uphill to explain "Japanese Cartoons" to people. Then when Pokemon hit it was like everyone knew.

To be fair tho I do remember having friends who were huge DBZ fans. It definitely helped. That and Ronin Warriors were helping people see "anime" as something different from just "cartoons" but I recall Pokemon being the point where the lid was blown off.

I recall it being a mixed blessing, too. Like a lot of the early examples of "anime is shit" tended to be people who saw Pokemon and then just assumed all anime were just like it.

It's every kids show except for toddlers.
The funny thing is there do exist anime for toddlers... just they don't get localized because what's the point when we have plenty of our own?

There was also some Lawsuit surrounding either this or the dub of a japanese produced reboot from around the time, I can't remember which right now but that's kind of irrelevant to the whole situation.
There's two legal issues. One involves the dub of Mach Go Go Go 1997 which can't be released (thus why Funimation couldn't include it in their awesome set). The other involved that a company called Speed Racer Enterprises thought they had more rights than they actually did and went about licensing the creation of Speed Racer comics, the cartoon you linked to, etc... including "Speed Racer: the Next Generation," one of the dubious sequels.... only for Tatsunoko to finally notice its happening and say "hey, actually, we only ever gave you the right to dub the original Mach Go Go Go, we never said you could create your own spinoff material."

....................

Also, I know I've said this already--and not to call out anyone in particular--but it is still amusing when people who go on about "degeneracy" also demonstrate an in-depth knowledge of porn trends.
 
the majority of adults 30+ find all animation to be shitty and childish even if its aimed at an older audience. personally i dislike anime because it always disolves into same-y fanservice slop. even kid's anime isnt safe (i remember watching keroro gunsou and it had several pervy jokes about the girl characters). shouen especially is terrible with the same-y bullshit. its literally just "bunch of kids/teenagers get magical powers and destroy evil bads" and i think a lot of people are just tired of it. regardless of how i feel about it now i still have a handful of anime i like to this day and could rewatch happily.
 
One is that "that's the most common plot" in Ranma. Out of all the episodes I can name maybe like two that happens in (the Happo Fire Burst arc and the Hiryu Shoten Ha arc)... that's four episodes of a 161 episode series. For some reason people like to act like Happosai dominated the series once he appears, but that's a little like saying every James Bond movie was a self-parody once Roger Moore took over.

Two is that there was ever a rape scene in Slayers. There wasn't. Never was. To be fair I think I know what you're misremembering, but... just because the word "rape" is used does not make something a rape scene, any more than me saying "bam, pow" makes this an episode of 60s Batman.
"most common plot"? It's one of the most common jokes. He is always trying to grope Ranma or the other girls. He's even worse in the mangas.

Read the post. In the Slayers novel when Lina is captured by the henchmen in the first series they debate who is going to rape her. The joke is the fishman is going to rape her but she isn't able to lay eggs so he can't fertilize them. The TV series turns the rape joke into being kissed and censors the original novel like I said. I read the novels, I watched the series. I know more than you do.

Also, I know I've said this already--and not to call out anyone in particular--but it is still amusing when people who go on about "degeneracy" also demonstrate an in-depth knowledge of porn trends.
You can say my name. I see the trends because the communities I'm apart of get invaded by onlyfans girls and I'm on kiwifarms where I see people talking about them. I'm interested in weird shit on the internet and the rise of weird pornography is often tied to lolcows and has ties to 4chan history.

Page 1 of this thread talks about how bad anime fans are and why they make it unpopular. Page 6-7 is anime fans proving why page 1 is correct. If all you have is trying to label people things instead of addressing their arguments you're probably one of the insufferable anime fans they're talking about. Hope you guys can get free of the anime life style and stop ignoring people who walked the same path as you and saw how unhealthy it is.

(i remember watching keroro gunsou and it had several pervy jokes about the girl characters)
Keroro's manga was always highly sexual. The anime tones it down a lot compared to the comic where Natsume is always used in sexual ways. The first chapter has her strung up showing her panties, with Keroro trying to cut them off with a knife then attach tentacle monster slugs to her as a form of torture.
 
.... Because as we all know, trannies are the people whose enhanced thinking and superior way of life is what we should all aspire to?
I meant more like "trannies are weak-willed, porn-addicted manchildren, so if they can turn on something they really like and formed their identity around for not aligning with their values, I should be able do the same thing."
I mean, your rant is you like a lot of anime aspects but wish you didn't because of some bullshit values.
The only aspects of anime I like at this point are that it focuses a lot on cool vehicle designs that are too old/expensive/not in the right format for me to own, the music (which even Null says is understandable), and the backstories/tech specs to a few mecha shows. The rest can go in the trash, and anime would be vastly improved if those few core elements were kept and adult characters and a greater focus on originality were front and center. For over a year now I haven't been able to watch anime that's not mecha/sci-fi because whenever I try to, I see how stupid it all is and I feel like I'm getting a lobotomy. Even when I watch toku or western manchild slop I feel so much healthier and freer than when I watch anime.
You're sounding like those guys in the 1980s who think they're not allowed to like Dungeons & Dragons because it has demons in it.
Except that Dungeons and Dragons being satanic was conspiratorial nonsense while anime degeneracy is right in front of your face and not at all a conspiracy.
"The definition of a puritan is a person who lives in abject terror that someone, anyone, anywhere, is having a good time."
Are they having a good time, though? The majority of weeaboos I see, regardless of age or gender, aren't happy or healthy. They're porn addicted shut-ins who tend to fall into political extremism, are single-mindedly obsessed with anime to the point where they blow money on the crappiest merchandise and art commissions because it caters to their obsession, can't socialize well in public, have strained relationships with their parents, never get into romantic or social relationships unless with it's other weebs, tend to be average at best in school and work, and tend to have mental health problems. Deny it all you like, but see if you can rebut this without resorting to false equivalence, no true scotsman, or ad hominem.
This is what we mean when we're anti-anime. Japan's culture is fucked and exporting it to the West brought the worst elements of it. None of the positive traits made it over, just the weird sexual stuff. In the 90's Japan's weird sex stuff was the butt of jokes constantly. Now it's a life style we document on the farms.
Also in general, it seems like it's always the worst kind of anime that gets super popular and defines what future anime will do in Japan. Dragon Ball turned shonen manga from poorly-written but inoffensive comics (i.e. Kinnikuman, Saint Seiya) into borderline ecchi and introduced all the cringe tropes (forever fights, fourth-wall-breaking characters that completely invalidate weebs' argument of "muh MCU quips", and just really bad writing) that define shonen. Macross, which admittedly did a few cool things, paved the way for idol anime and mecha that try to be romance/slice of life shows instead of serious sci-fi shows. Urusei Yatsura paved the way for harems and ecchi as standalone shows. Code Geass paved the way for trainwreck writing and worldbuilding/sci-fi as even more of an afterthought than it was in Macross. Straight-up hentai paved the way for OVAs, which then became disposable seasonal anime. It also sucks that weebs tend to fixate on the worst aspects of anime (overexaggerated emotions, non sequitur randumb "jokes", moe art, romance) while saying that shows that eliminate all the cringe and dare try to be a bit more original and unpredictable are bad.
Dungeons and dragons players have to constantly battle with weebs who want to turn their games into animes or porn games.
I also see this a lot in fanfic communities where they constantly try to bring anime into spaces where it's not necessary. Spacebattles is overrun with isekai crossover garbage.
I grew up watching the same series and I watched all of Ranma. Ranma should be judged on it's content when the most common joke is
I wouldn't be surprised if Ranma paved the way for tranime/futanari since I've seen lots of trannies credit their "egg cracking" to Ranma and similar genderbender anime.
Well hey, who's to blame really for the decline in quality of Western media and animation? Anime is just, for better or worse, filling a void left behind.
Literally anime since the Calarts bean mouth and the plastic Pixar look are all anime-inspired. There was a really nice art style in cartoons around the late 90s/early 2000s -- Stargate Infinity and NASCAR Racers have this style --, but that's all gone and replaced by anime.
Normalfags love anime, its everywhere from t-shirts to malls to even on their cars (essentially replacing shit like SW/HP bumper stickers).
Normies have gotten into anime only because the pandemic forced a lot of people to consoom different kinds of media if they wanted to do something new every night. Watching anime is easier than reading a book, so they all got into anime and gacha games and whatnot just for some variety. But the number of normies to whom this happened are very small compared to the number of people who didn't do weeb stuff during the pandemic, so it's a moot point. The popularity of anime nowadays is also probably due to porn (I think hentai was a top category for Pornhub in 2018), and coomers (not even lolicons and open gooners) love to centre their lives around porn and things that remind them of it because it's an addiction comparable to alcoholism or meth and stronger than any other due to unlimited, free, instantaneous access.
 
To hate Anime as a whole is idiotic as it is reductionist. Some animes are fucking cringe, deviant-bait and an affront to animation, but others bring a level of depth and nuance that is rarely seen in western animation. Can you name a western adult cartoon that explored dark fantasy like Berserk?

To bring the situation further and abroad, in South America to hate anime, is to be branded as an autist that hates fun, for millions of hispanics treat Goku as their Jesus. Anime beyond the US is accepted incredibly well, mostly because those countries do not have a healthy or varied animation industry to begin with. Some modern spic shows are made in fucking Adobe Flash, even!

Japan just makes good animation, when it's not aimed at pedophiles, that is.
 
Uhh, what? Anime was pretty mainstream by at least 2003.
It was known yes but not mainstream, mainly because of 4Kids dubs of Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh and Toonami but that's about it. Anime and gaming in general outside of Xbox-type spheres were looked down on easily by normies or seen as kid stuff. There is a reason why a lot of sites online were made because they needed space.

Post-covid was when anime became mainstream and was considered cool to watch. but even then it's mainly limited to a handful of titles and generic shonen.
Can you name a western adult cartoon that explored dark fantasy like Berserk?
Ralph Bakshi has some good stuff. Fire and Ice is one
Urusei Yatsura
Boomers first Waifu and Lum shes her tits in the first episode.
 
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