Culture ‘Hell on earth’: Men share why they avoid singles nights - Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners

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Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners​

Monday 02 March 2026 09:08 EST
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Olivia Petter’s report on the challenges of getting men to attend singles nights prompted a flood of responses from male readers sharing their own experiences of dating.

Rather than rejecting the premise outright, many used the comments to explain why events like these hold little appeal for them personally.

A recurring theme was discomfort with structured, high-pressure formats such as speed dating, which several described as “forced”, “synthetic” or akin to a job interview.

Men spoke about feeling exposed in environments where rejection plays out publicly, arguing that the expectation to be instantly charming, funny and confident creates an uneven dynamic. Some said they preferred meeting partners organically – through friends, shared hobbies, travel or everyday life – where connection develops more naturally and without an audience.

Others reflected more broadly on modern dating. A number of commenters said they had opted out of formal dating altogether, citing exhaustion with apps, perceived imbalances in effort, or a sense that expectations have become transactional and over-analysed.

Here’s what you had to say:

Men shoulder most of the effort in dating

As a single man who has largely given up on dating, articles like this complaining about men while making out that women are great sum up why.

I’m expected to put the vast majority of effort into dating. I take the risk of rejection in doing the asking out, I arrange the date, usually carry the conversation, frequently am expected to pay, then this process repeats for future dates. The majority of women I met seemed to think turning up was all that’s required for me to ‘woo’ them. In return, I’ve had women ghost, cancel last minute after I’ve paid for tickets, complain about the venue, say things like I should be grateful they turned up at all after they arrived almost an hour late (extreme lateness was very common, often followed by a dismissive comment about how I should put up with it because I’m a man).

Clearly there are issues women experience too, but the big difference from my perspective is effort. Women expect everything to be done for them and, other than their appearance, don’t invest much in the early dating stages. I’ve never once had a woman ‘bound right up’ and ask me out, never had a woman pay, never felt like they were making the effort to keep me entertained, never had them suggest or arrange a date. They frequently complain about men’s failings yet seem to have zero awareness of their own.

I’m in my 40s now, so I’m not that bothered about sex or flings. I have good friends and enough going on that I don't want to waste time on something that just isn't enjoyable. If the other person was making a similar level of effort, then I may feel differently. The level of entitlement is ridiculous though – it frequently felt like dealing with teenagers, unable to show any initiative or reciprocation.

Andy

Men are used to being rejected

Attending an event like this is a higher risk for men. Social vulnerability is something men are culturally punished for showing. Men are used to being rejected; women are often the ones rejecting. Experiencing this again, but with an audience, can't be that tempting.

This type of event also favours verbal fluency, emotional expressiveness, and social confidence – traits that suit how the average woman socialises better than men. You describe this as men suffering from pride or a lack of motivation, completely ignoring that the format itself is flawed.

If you want something more than that, involve some sort of activity. Add some sort of competition with built-in conversation starters. A quiz? Cooking? Cocktail-making competition? Why not a go-kart event? A great night regardless of the social outcome.

My two best dates were a trip to IKEA and one where that girl showed me some great biking paths in the forest. The latter one is now my wife.

Daniel

Many of us are socially awkward

I met the women I ended up marrying on a backpacking trip: she was camping with three other women and I was by myself. No force on earth could have compelled me to enter an event such as the writer describes. Of course, I was (and am) socially awkward – but so are so many of us.

I can't recall how my children met their partners, but we had one recent success. Through my wife's friend, we got to know a man who had been a friend of one of her children. He seemed like a nice guy with no partner. But he was VERY quiet. Our daughters had a female friend who had no partner and who they described as being really nice, so we old folks went into action. Our daughters approached their friend, who sent them a list of questions – "Does he have kids? Has he been married? Does he smoke? Does he have a job?" – which they passed on to us to get the answers. Things worked out. Yay! Matchmaking lives!

soccerdad

Dates are like job interviews

I wonder if the psychology of the modern dating game just appeals more to women than men?

I'm in my early fifties now. In my teens, people were either very much in a relationship or not; the idea of going on a date with someone to see if you wanted a relationship was something alien we saw on American television. By my thirties, I'd largely opted out of the whole thing.

The idea of going on a date which was effectively a job interview seemed a very unappealing way of spending an evening when there was the alternative of doing something I enjoyed. If I met somebody that way, well and good; if not, it didn't matter – I was out having fun, doing things I wanted to do. I met women who were attracted to me and I not them, women to whom I was attracted and they not me, and on it went.

Eventually I met the woman who is now my wife quite by accident, through friends.

I did once, for a magazine article I agreed to write, go to a speed-dating night. It was hell on earth for me – I hated it. I dabbled very briefly with internet dating as well, but never went on a date because I never saw anyone I thought would be a match. It all felt pointless.

PadraigMahone

Let things happen naturally

It was the same decades ago. I once got asked to join a speed-dating night as there weren't enough men. I'd just had a bad accident, so I explained to the organiser that I was in no fit state to go looking for a date; I'd come just for the fun of it.

I had to fill in a form where you had to describe yourself in three words. Assuming I would get no dates whatsoever, I wrote "toothless, not heartless." Then I sat down with each girl and explained I was here just for fun – because, well, look at the state of me.

To my surprise, every single girl put me top of their list – and even the girl organising the event asked me out. The other guys didn't get a look in because they were trying to be "sensitive, caring, and kind" like they had written down –and this went absolutely nowhere.

There's a serious point here – men don't like dating events because they feel forced and synthetic. The format itself runs against the grain of how many men are wired to court. Being lined up for inspection, filling in forms, rotating on a timer – not just uncomfortable, but actively undermines the qualities that tend to make men attractive in the first place: spontaneity, confidence, a bit of mystery. Hard to be mysterious when you're wearing a name badge. It doesn't feel particularly "blokey" to offer yourself out for selection.

Dating events aren't struggling because men are emotionally stunted or commitment-averse – they're failing because the environment selects against natural confidence and rewards a kind of performed sensitivity that most people, including the women attending, can smell from a mile off.

Far better to go, have some fun, and let things happen naturally – even when you're least expecting it!

Sneaker

I’d head to an event over an app

I have to say that for someone who hasn't been dating for 30 years, this goes against what I would have expected – i.e., men outnumbering women 15:1 rather than the other way round.

If I ever found myself dating again, I'd have thought I'd head to an event like this long before I'd join an app, to be honest. But maybe that's just me.

GoodGriefCharlieBrown

Some of the comments have been edited for this article for brevity and clarity.
 
10 years of articles on why you shouldn't talk / approach women in the streets / stores / gyms / bars / work etc because they're not there for you, they're having fun with the girlies or whatever might have a hand in the lonely fucks pandemic.

Men can't really make a move without a penalty. No need to a genius to see the problem, as was pointed in this thread, taking the L is expected but no one in there right mind walks into an ambush.
 
10 years of articles on why you shouldn't talk / approach women in the streets / stores / gyms / bars / work etc because they're not there for you, they're having fun with the girlies or whatever might have a hand in the lonely fucks pandemic
Let me tell you a little something I've learned about women. They want you to come get them. They love it.
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Men can't really make a move without a penalty.
And the ones who do are shameless enough to scream "red flag".

Things I've gotten when being hit on IRL:
  • At a meetup group, one guy stared at me to the point where I had to give him a look like he was a psycho. He also insulted a friend I was there with (male, did so to big himself up; gross). Had the unmitigated balls to ask me out before I left.
  • Outside a gas station, a guy way too young for me catcalls me (yes, it happens, it's just not that often). I scolded him and damn near told him to go home to his mother.
  • Outside another gas station, a guy says, "Are you single?" The answer to that question is no. It doesn't matter if I am or if I am not. If you ask that question, it comes across as "Is there a man at your place that will shoot me if I follow you home?"
  • Just walking around town, some dude stops me and makes small talk. All well and good. Asks my name and lamely says my name is pretty before hurriedly asking for my number. I know I shouldn't feel bad about that but it actually feels kind of awful. All of the things you could compliment me on, and you pick the one thing that might not have even been true.
  • Tells me I have the same name as his daughter. I would think it's a general rule that you don't hit on someone with the same name of someone you're related to. Also, same guy, tells me a story about his life that screams "old enough to be my father". Also, I look significantly younger than my age, so...really gross.

This is not me saying that all guys looking for someone are this lame or gross. Just that the ones with the balls to do it also have the balls to be brazen about how shit they are.
 
And the ones who do are shameless enough to scream "red flag".

Things I've gotten when being hit on IRL:
  • At a meetup group, one guy stared at me to the point where I had to give him a look like he was a psycho. He also insulted a friend I was there with (male, did so to big himself up; gross). Had the unmitigated balls to ask me out before I left.
  • Outside a gas station, a guy way too young for me catcalls me (yes, it happens, it's just not that often). I scolded him and damn near told him to go home to his mother.
  • Outside another gas station, a guy says, "Are you single?" The answer to that question is no. It doesn't matter if I am or if I am not. If you ask that question, it comes across as "Is there a man at your place that will shoot me if I follow you home?"
  • Just walking around town, some dude stops me and makes small talk. All well and good. Asks my name and lamely says my name is pretty before hurriedly asking for my number. I know I shouldn't feel bad about that but it actually feels kind of awful. All of the things you could compliment me on, and you pick the one thing that might not have even been true.
  • Tells me I have the same name as his daughter. I would think it's a general rule that you don't hit on someone with the same name of someone you're related to. Also, same guy, tells me a story about his life that screams "old enough to be my father". Also, I look significantly younger than my age, so...really gross.

This is not me saying that all guys looking for someone are this lame or gross. Just that the ones with the balls to do it also have the balls to be brazen about how shit they are.
> If you ask if I'm single that's bad
> If you're younger than me that's bad (I look young btw)
> If youre older than me that's bad (because I look so young)
> If you don't say anything at all you're crazy
> If you pick something I might be lying about to compliment you've fumbled.


Unrelated, why aren't guys doing the right thing, whatever that is? Truly a mystery.
 
> If you ask if I'm single that's bad
It is bad. Rookie mistake. Never ask a woman you're looking to bang if she's single. It immediately kills the conversation by making it awkward.

Instead, assume she's single and be confident, playful and interesting to talk to. If she's interested, you'll pick up on the signs. If she's not interested, you'll pick up on the signs. Women are less direct than men but they're not that hard to understand. Don't take it personally if some chick doesn't like you. Never make her feel bad for turning you down. Women have to put up with a lot of unwanted male advances, treat them with respect and courtesy.

Seduction is a lot like sales. It's a process, a learned skill and a numbers game. You will probably be rejected a lot. You need a thick skin to handle rejection gracefully and the persistence to move on to the next call - if it takes 99 nos to get to yes, it's worth it. Some of the ugliest, shortest guys I know are happily married to attractive women because they didn't give up.

Idk what's wrong with young people these days, they don't handle being rejection well and they lack persistence. But I promise you all - you can do sex to women if you put in the effort and have the right attitude. :tomgirl:
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> If you ask if I'm single that's bad
There are ways of finding things out with more finesse. With women, act like you care about their feelings first, not that you want to hook up.
> If you're younger than me that's bad (I look young btw)
Did you miss the part about outside a gas station? Kid was nothing but trouble. Like, had nothing better to do than hang around a gas station.
> If youre older than me that's bad (because I look so young)
That much older? Fuck yes, there might be something wrong with you.

I humblebrag about my looks a little, but one of my major complaints is getting people of the right age to hit on me (or for that matter, take me fucking seriously; I liken it to wanting to get that manager position but you're a midget and the main competition for the job is a guy that looks like the star quarterback...looking young is not an advantage for me). I've dated guys younger than me and they get pissy when you're more experienced about things outside the bedroom. Too old, and they try and act like your daddy.

Maybe try and think a little why this might be a problem.
> If you don't say anything at all you're crazy
If you stare like a fucking psycho and you're not picking up that I'm uncomfortable, why is this MY problem?
> If you pick something I might be lying about to compliment you've fumbled.
If you pick something to compliment about me and it isn't how I look, it's like, I'm not even pretty enough to merit a solid compliment on the way I walk or the way I smile or something like that, I'm just going to take the shallowest of fucking compliments and that's all it takes to get my number. And you think that's somehow awful of me to point that out?

The fact is, men and women don't know how to act towards each other anymore; I just can't speak to the behavior of women because I don't date them nor would I for the validation of internet weirdos. I said clearly that the ones who have the balls to approach women are the ones that lack the self-awareness not to make a woman with standards uncomfortable, since it's rather a hostile environment for men who want to date in general. But it's not fair to say women can't defensive over the shit men throw, too.
 
I said clearly that the ones who have the balls to approach women are the ones that lack the self-awareness not to make a woman with standards uncomfortable
Faggots - listen to her, she's trying to teach you how to get laid.

Women will always remember how you made them feel. So make sure the feelings you're remembered for are good ones, not awkward and creepy.
 
All these dudes are taking the wrong tact. The easy way to pick up women is very simple.
1: Bully them
2: Bully them some more
3: Say something mildly nice about them

There you go. It sounds retarded but I've accidentally done it before multiple times and it works. Womens brains are fucked up so they don't actually want companionship, they want some fucked up social game.

The real reason men aren't pursuing women now has nothing to do with that though. It's because women for the most part are fucking BORING. Any and all of their "interests" are surface level at most. For example I'm talking to a lady right now and she brought up how she hates a certain group of people and I asked why. Her answer was "I don't like their language" with absolutely nothing else, not even an explanation of why she hates the language. Talking to modern women is like the image negative of a search engine. You send a message about your interests in for example ornithology to a "passionate birdwatcher" and you get back "cute bird".
 
It is bad. Rookie mistake. Never ask a woman you're looking to bang if she's single. It immediately kills the conversation by making it awkward.

Instead, assume she's single and be confident, playful and interesting to talk to. If she's interested, you'll pick up on the signs. If she's not interested, you'll pick up on the signs. Women are less direct than men but they're not that hard to understand. Don't take it personally if some chick doesn't like you. Never make her feel bad for turning you down. Women have to put up with a lot of unwanted male advances, treat them with respect and courtesy.

Seduction is a lot like sales. It's a process, a learned skill and a numbers game. You will probably be rejected a lot. You need a thick skin to handle rejection gracefully and the persistence to move on to the next call - if it takes 99 nos to get to yes, it's worth it. Some of the ugliest, shortest guys I know are happily married to attractive women because they didn't give up.

Idk what's wrong with young people these days, they don't handle being rejection well and they lack persistence. But I promise you all - you can do sex to women if you put in the effort and have the right attitude. :tomgirl:
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You are giving the only actual advice that works

Being tall helps. But isnt necessary. If you are not genetically gifted then just max out on making money. Women respond to social signals like nice car, clothes, status.

Status can also be shit like being military, law enforcement, or fire fighter. It doesnt have to be millionaire. It can also he shit like musician or a relevant and respected community member. If other people are responding to you that will make you attractive. Its a catch 22 but even something like having a kid is enough "authority" if they see a dad with a kid they will be attracted to him by that alone depending on cycle.

Confidence is accepting its a numbers game and working on form. The hard part is knowing if you are over the target. But its fine if she says no. Its sales. Also the same women might say yes the week before or after depending on her hormonal cycle. This means you need to strike immediately. If you get a date and she has a good time, even if she normally wouldnt date you she may see where it goes.

Also its weird to care if shes single unless you want a relationship. Women who arent single will let you know in 5 minutes they arent single. If she isnt single and isnt telling you then she is either wanting attention or is willing to try something else. In your first conversation you are either trying to screw her or get to know her. Neither of those require interrogation of her relationship status. Women who like the guy they are with wont stop talking about their man.
 
Never ask a woman you're looking to bang if she's single. It immediately kills the conversation by making it awkward.
Yeah but if she's not single but still would bang so long as it's not awkward then she's a disgusting tramp who belongs in a roadside landfill with the rest of the broken garbage.
 
Idk what's wrong with young people these days, they don't handle being rejection well and they lack persistence.
I agree with everything except that the problem is that young people have the added risk of being catfished into being the subject of some psychotic chick's tik tok hidden camera humiliation content. It sounds stupid and gay of a thing to worry about but I too remember being 16 and being paranoid that everyone in the tiny-ass world of my school was gonna talk about my ass behind my back.

But back in my day it was all omg-did-you-hear-what but now nigga they got fuckin 4K cameras in their fuckin pockets. Thanks Steve Jobs, you fucking prick. I hope the devil is assfucking your fake hippie corpse right now for all eternity.
 
I would think it's a general rule that you don't hit on someone with the same name of someone you're related to
I've never heard this in my entire life and wonder what the rationale for it is? If I had met the girl of my dreams, but she had the same name as my Mother, I'd just have to .... walk away? I don't get it.

Idk what's wrong with young people these days, they don't handle being rejection well and they lack persistence.
Well, being rejected these days means more than it used to, used to just mean "she rejected you", that's it. Now? There's a chance you'll be plastered all over social media as a creep, and even if not? What used to be a private matter becomes part of your social resume, whether you want it to or not. And persistence is seen as "harassment" and will get you in LOTS of trouble if (ironically) the person you're being persistent towards is equally persistent in calling your boss, or your school, or the cops until they do something to defend the honor of victimized women....

No, not all of them, but, the number is high enough that the risks just aren't worth it, which is what a lot of young men are trying to say, but are being brushed off as just not "manning up".

Back in the Day (tm) before everything about you could be disseminated to the entire world before you had even got your pants on, there were still crazy women who would do all of the above, but, the fact the had to find your job, walk in, demand to be seen and then rattle off their sob story to get you fired was too much work or beyond the capabilities of all of them except that natural "1".

Nowadays? A significant percent are like that. How many? No idea, it's probably still only single-digits but, the perception is that the odds you step on a social landmine are seemingly a lot worse than they used to be, and that's what drives the retreat from approaching women socially, "what's the worst that could happen" is no longer an encouragement, but a warning.

One that gets reinforced when women list off the red flags and creepy things that would have them blacklisting a guy not just from their eligible list, but, encouraging all their friends and society at large to do the same. And a lot of the listed deal breakers are completely benign behaviors or the kind of things a person who has never tried dating might do or say.
 
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