Culture ‘Hell on earth’: Men share why they avoid singles nights - Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners

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Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners​

Monday 02 March 2026 09:08 EST
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Dating nights aren't for everyone (iStock)

Olivia Petter’s report on the challenges of getting men to attend singles nights prompted a flood of responses from male readers sharing their own experiences of dating.

Rather than rejecting the premise outright, many used the comments to explain why events like these hold little appeal for them personally.

A recurring theme was discomfort with structured, high-pressure formats such as speed dating, which several described as “forced”, “synthetic” or akin to a job interview.

Men spoke about feeling exposed in environments where rejection plays out publicly, arguing that the expectation to be instantly charming, funny and confident creates an uneven dynamic. Some said they preferred meeting partners organically – through friends, shared hobbies, travel or everyday life – where connection develops more naturally and without an audience.

Others reflected more broadly on modern dating. A number of commenters said they had opted out of formal dating altogether, citing exhaustion with apps, perceived imbalances in effort, or a sense that expectations have become transactional and over-analysed.

Here’s what you had to say:

Men shoulder most of the effort in dating

As a single man who has largely given up on dating, articles like this complaining about men while making out that women are great sum up why.

I’m expected to put the vast majority of effort into dating. I take the risk of rejection in doing the asking out, I arrange the date, usually carry the conversation, frequently am expected to pay, then this process repeats for future dates. The majority of women I met seemed to think turning up was all that’s required for me to ‘woo’ them. In return, I’ve had women ghost, cancel last minute after I’ve paid for tickets, complain about the venue, say things like I should be grateful they turned up at all after they arrived almost an hour late (extreme lateness was very common, often followed by a dismissive comment about how I should put up with it because I’m a man).

Clearly there are issues women experience too, but the big difference from my perspective is effort. Women expect everything to be done for them and, other than their appearance, don’t invest much in the early dating stages. I’ve never once had a woman ‘bound right up’ and ask me out, never had a woman pay, never felt like they were making the effort to keep me entertained, never had them suggest or arrange a date. They frequently complain about men’s failings yet seem to have zero awareness of their own.

I’m in my 40s now, so I’m not that bothered about sex or flings. I have good friends and enough going on that I don't want to waste time on something that just isn't enjoyable. If the other person was making a similar level of effort, then I may feel differently. The level of entitlement is ridiculous though – it frequently felt like dealing with teenagers, unable to show any initiative or reciprocation.

Andy

Men are used to being rejected

Attending an event like this is a higher risk for men. Social vulnerability is something men are culturally punished for showing. Men are used to being rejected; women are often the ones rejecting. Experiencing this again, but with an audience, can't be that tempting.

This type of event also favours verbal fluency, emotional expressiveness, and social confidence – traits that suit how the average woman socialises better than men. You describe this as men suffering from pride or a lack of motivation, completely ignoring that the format itself is flawed.

If you want something more than that, involve some sort of activity. Add some sort of competition with built-in conversation starters. A quiz? Cooking? Cocktail-making competition? Why not a go-kart event? A great night regardless of the social outcome.

My two best dates were a trip to IKEA and one where that girl showed me some great biking paths in the forest. The latter one is now my wife.

Daniel

Many of us are socially awkward

I met the women I ended up marrying on a backpacking trip: she was camping with three other women and I was by myself. No force on earth could have compelled me to enter an event such as the writer describes. Of course, I was (and am) socially awkward – but so are so many of us.

I can't recall how my children met their partners, but we had one recent success. Through my wife's friend, we got to know a man who had been a friend of one of her children. He seemed like a nice guy with no partner. But he was VERY quiet. Our daughters had a female friend who had no partner and who they described as being really nice, so we old folks went into action. Our daughters approached their friend, who sent them a list of questions – "Does he have kids? Has he been married? Does he smoke? Does he have a job?" – which they passed on to us to get the answers. Things worked out. Yay! Matchmaking lives!

soccerdad

Dates are like job interviews

I wonder if the psychology of the modern dating game just appeals more to women than men?

I'm in my early fifties now. In my teens, people were either very much in a relationship or not; the idea of going on a date with someone to see if you wanted a relationship was something alien we saw on American television. By my thirties, I'd largely opted out of the whole thing.

The idea of going on a date which was effectively a job interview seemed a very unappealing way of spending an evening when there was the alternative of doing something I enjoyed. If I met somebody that way, well and good; if not, it didn't matter – I was out having fun, doing things I wanted to do. I met women who were attracted to me and I not them, women to whom I was attracted and they not me, and on it went.

Eventually I met the woman who is now my wife quite by accident, through friends.

I did once, for a magazine article I agreed to write, go to a speed-dating night. It was hell on earth for me – I hated it. I dabbled very briefly with internet dating as well, but never went on a date because I never saw anyone I thought would be a match. It all felt pointless.

PadraigMahone

Let things happen naturally

It was the same decades ago. I once got asked to join a speed-dating night as there weren't enough men. I'd just had a bad accident, so I explained to the organiser that I was in no fit state to go looking for a date; I'd come just for the fun of it.

I had to fill in a form where you had to describe yourself in three words. Assuming I would get no dates whatsoever, I wrote "toothless, not heartless." Then I sat down with each girl and explained I was here just for fun – because, well, look at the state of me.

To my surprise, every single girl put me top of their list – and even the girl organising the event asked me out. The other guys didn't get a look in because they were trying to be "sensitive, caring, and kind" like they had written down –and this went absolutely nowhere.

There's a serious point here – men don't like dating events because they feel forced and synthetic. The format itself runs against the grain of how many men are wired to court. Being lined up for inspection, filling in forms, rotating on a timer – not just uncomfortable, but actively undermines the qualities that tend to make men attractive in the first place: spontaneity, confidence, a bit of mystery. Hard to be mysterious when you're wearing a name badge. It doesn't feel particularly "blokey" to offer yourself out for selection.

Dating events aren't struggling because men are emotionally stunted or commitment-averse – they're failing because the environment selects against natural confidence and rewards a kind of performed sensitivity that most people, including the women attending, can smell from a mile off.

Far better to go, have some fun, and let things happen naturally – even when you're least expecting it!

Sneaker

I’d head to an event over an app

I have to say that for someone who hasn't been dating for 30 years, this goes against what I would have expected – i.e., men outnumbering women 15:1 rather than the other way round.

If I ever found myself dating again, I'd have thought I'd head to an event like this long before I'd join an app, to be honest. But maybe that's just me.

GoodGriefCharlieBrown

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It is bad. Rookie mistake. Never ask a woman you're looking to bang if she's single. It immediately kills the conversation by making it awkward.

Instead, assume she's single and be confident, playful and interesting to talk to. If she's interested, you'll pick up on the signs. If she's not interested, you'll pick up on the signs. Women are less direct than men but they're not that hard to understand. Don't take it personally if some chick doesn't like you. Never make her feel bad for turning you down. Women have to put up with a lot of unwanted male advances, treat them with respect and courtesy.

Seduction is a lot like sales. It's a process, a learned skill and a numbers game. You will probably be rejected a lot. You need a thick skin to handle rejection gracefully and the persistence to move on to the next call - if it takes 99 nos to get to yes, it's worth it. Some of the ugliest, shortest guys I know are happily married to attractive women because they didn't give up.

Idk what's wrong with young people these days, they don't handle being rejection well and they lack persistence. But I promise you all - you can do sex to women if you put in the effort and have the right attitude. :tomgirl:
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I think most men know this, they just don't think its worth it. And for what its worth I don't blame them.

I met the standards for Chad back in the day but nowadays I wouldn't get anything because the standards have raised a lot for men (while women can be fat and are no longer expected to be beautiful).

Back when I was young if you were not a thin woman you got passed over. Fatties get attention from hot guys now so whats the point. Even if she's a landwhale shes almost certainly ran through anyway. Its not worth it for young guys anymore. Old people like us are delusional because it didn't used to be this bad. You could be short or bald or ugly and still have other qualities that got you women (even qualities besides money, like humor or charisma). That doesn't exist anymore.
 
being the subject of some psychotic chick's tik tok hidden camera humiliation content.
You also have to worry about this when you get into a relationship. Too many people are far too willingly to turn their relationship into short form videos on the Internet for clout.
 
NGL, as a man, I do kinda blame men for not being able to filter out all the bullshit noise and just do what feels natural in terms of courtship. If you’re listening to dating advice podcasts and reading feminist dating articles as an adult to try and get a leg up, it’s already Joever for you.
This suggests you’re either retarded or an incredibly ancient boomer.

The past few decades have seen nearly every conceivable form of media shift to showing compromised, weak examples of masculinity. When you’ve literally never seen an example of a confident man getting a phone number and succeeding on a date, whatever you think feels “natural” is the result of deep feminist programming/conditioning and is very, very wrong.

I remember just a mere 15 years or so ago, a group of three average-looking guys kept putting up these joyful hidden-camera videos where they would go out on the street and demonstrate flawless pick-up artist technique. The cellphone numbers flowed like wine. The guys even got their own segment on Nightline:


Within a few years, Simple Pickup deleted every single one of their videos.

Their official explanation was that the videos were “edgy” and didn’t match their new business strategy of trying to replace college. This is a politically-correct way of saying:
1. In 2014 there was a concerted effort by the media to teach people that what they think is flirty and fun is actually street harassment and toxic masculinity.
2. If you were an average-looking man demonstrating that being cocky and confident and goofy on the street is good enough to get laid, then the post-2015 feminists would find a way to cancel you, even if it means inventing false allegations. Giving the average man the blueprint for getting his dick wet also gives him hope, and hope is something our DEI society no longer permits average men to have. Deleting the Simple Pickup videos was simple self-preservation.
 
Wrong as a modern man you are in competition with her personal peace, tranquility and 300 activities she has during the week .

This is what modern men refuse to understand.
Same with women and Skyrim. Yes still Skyrim. Because there’s a new mod that turns it into a 4X strategy game/Princess Raising Simulator.
 
Oh no women apply the same standards that you applied on them. THE HORROR
I don't understand what you mean by this? I was talking about height. I'm pretty hot but I'm not tall. Back in the day that didn't matter if you were good looking.

My standards for women were never "be tall" lmao. Tf do you mean "women apply the same standards that you apply to them". I want women to be thin bro. Feminine. Idgaf about height, that's YOUR issue.

Also I'm not some midget either, The standards have just risen to where 85% of men don't meet the "you must be this tall to ride" line.
 
I don't understand what you mean by this? I was talking about height. I'm pretty hot but I'm not tall. Back in the day that didn't matter if you were good looking.

My standards for women were never "be tall" lmao. Tf do you mean "women apply the same standards that you apply to them". I want women to be thin bro. Feminine. Idgaf about height, that's YOUR issue.

Also I'm not some midget either, The standards have just risen to where 85% of men don't meet the "you must be this tall to ride" line.
If you see the dating statistics you will realise its never the height its you problem. The real problem is you want easy lay no commitment fuck, without putting in effort . Too bad thats for CHADS ONLY.

And thats only fair. You want 120 pounds hottie thats fine you gotta be 6 foot tall with washboard abs.

Its unfair just like your demands from the average woman to be thin and feminine. Sidenote only 30 % of usa women have bmi bellow 25 just saying
 
Sidenote only 30 % of usa women have bmi bellow 25 just saying
Either 70% are eating their feelings (so much for ‘personal peace and tranquility and 300 activities’ lol) or Chad jizz is super fattening then. Gluck Gluck Gluck.

Weird how when men choose ‘personal peace and tranquility and 300 activities’, desperate and slightly frazzled late 30’s spinsters with four periods left until permanent childlessness start calling them ‘Peter Pans’ and expect them to ‘man up’.
Where does all that ‘personal peace and tranquility and 300 activities’ go for women when they wake up at forty, childless, unfulfilled, with a long string of short relationships that failed because the men brushed their teeth wrong and ‘the ick’ set in?
Choose the bear, ladies, that’ll be the only relationship you’ll ever have where you nourish your partner in any way.

Seriously, if you’re going to drone on about the dissolution of the social contract between men and women, well, men gave women control over society’s direction as a result of decades of screeching from feminists. Don’t blame men if women don’t like where society has gone. We built the fucking thing and maintained it for over 2000 years, it took women sixty years to fuck it all up, and now they’re trying to blame that on men, too.
 
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Seduction is a lot like sales. It's a process, a learned skill and a numbers game. You will probably be rejected a lot. You need a thick skin to handle rejection gracefully and the persistence to move on to the next call - if it takes 99 nos to get to yes, it's worth it.
Absolutely horrifying notion not gonna lie, if there's one job I'd pass on in favor of scrubbing septic tanks at a leper colony without a hazmat suit on - it's sales. It's so over for us specialist types :lol::lol::lol:
 
Weird how when men choose ‘personal peace and tranquility and 300 activities’, desperate and slightly frazzled late 30’s spinsters with four periods left until permanent childlessness start calling them ‘Peter Pans’ and expect them to ‘man up’.
You are confusinging it with making fun of middle aged men who think they still got it and they can have pick of the litter because " men age like wine" with women crying about being postwall. Majority of the women in their 40s, who have their own place and stable job prefer sleeping diagonally and spending their evening steamcleaning the sofa or having 10 step care routine while gossiping with their girlies. You are an afterthought somewhere between cleaning the litter and paying the bills
Seriously, if you’re going to drone on about the dissolution of the social contract between men and women, well, men gave women control over society’s direction as a result of decades of screeching from feminists.
Nobody give control to anybody both men and women have equal say on how shit is run. Its only different modes of control that I cant even bother to explain I posted few times bunch of articles about formal and informal power .


While we are at the social contract, Who said marriage is for suckers? who said ball and chain? who acted like they are doing women favour for just marrying them? Just asking
 
But asking for 6 6 6 is unfair right?
When you set up requirements that one can't really change like height and dick size, you can't really compare it to some man wanting his girl to be feminine and not fat (both can be easily worked on)

I do agree that a lot of men have unrealistic standards, especially when they're not really attractive, but saying that the feminine and not overweight requirement is "unfair" is crazy
 
Nobody give control to anybody both men and women have equal say on how shit is run. Its only different modes of control that I cant even bother to explain I posted few times bunch of articles about formal and informal power .
Bitch, back before 1970, if you got pregnant out of wedlock, the men of our society would lock you away from everyone else. Your fat female ass had zero say in the matter. Here is the result of asking Google AI “what did we used to do with pregnant women out of wedlock”:

Before the 1970s, particularly during the "Baby Scoop Era" (roughly 1945–1973), unmarried pregnant women in the United States and other Western nations were severely stigmatized, often treated as "fallen women" or social pariahs. Because out-of-wedlock pregnancy was considered a moral and social failure, these women were frequently hidden away, forced to give up their children for adoption, or ostracized by their communities.
Here is what was typically done with pregnant women out of wedlock in the mid-20th century:
1. Seclusion in Maternity Homes
Unmarried pregnant women were often sent away to maternity homes—often run by religious organizations like the Salvation Army or Catholic Charities—to hide their pregnancies from neighbors, schools, and employers. Secrecy: Residents often used aliases, were isolated from friends and family, and waited out their pregnancies in seclusion. Forced Labor: In some homes, residents were required to work in the laundry or kitchen to pay for their room and board. Coercion: Many women were coerced into surrendering their babies for adoption, often without being told of their legal rights.
2. Forced Adoption ("Baby Scoop Era") During the peak of this era, more than 1.5 million infants were surrendered for adoption by unmarried mothers. No Contact: Many mothers were forbidden from holding or even seeing their newborns. Pressure: Staff and social workers often told young women that they were unfit to be mothers and that keeping the child was selfish. Trauma: Coercion was common, with many women signing adoption papers while still sedated or under extreme emotional duress.
3. Social Ostracism and "Banishing" Women were frequently banished from their homes, schools, or communities to avoid bringing shame upon their families. "Shotgun Marriage": Sometimes, a quick, often unhappy marriage was arranged to conceal the pregnancy. Parental Adoption: In some cases, the pregnant daughter would return home, and her parents would raise the baby as their own, pretending the child was the woman's sibling.
4. Severe Stigma and Economic Hardship Without support, many unmarried mothers faced extreme poverty and were unable to find work. Medical Mis-treatment: Some women received little to no prenatal care, and many experienced traumatic births without pain medication or with forced "twilight sleep" (sedation). Psychiatric Institutionalization: Some women who refused to give up their babies were labeled "mentally ill" and committed to mental institutions. The Shift: This era ended largely with the legalization of abortion (Roe v. Wade in 1973), the increased availability of contraception, and the decline of social stigma surrounding single motherhood, which reduced the demand for closed, forced adoptions.
If you don’t stop talking back to men, we’re gonna bring the asylums back and diagnose you with hysteria. Bitch.
 
When you set up requirements that one can't really change like height and dick size, you can't really compare it to some man wanting his girl to be feminine and not fat (both can be easily worked on)

I do agree that a lot of men have unrealistic standards, especially when they're not really attractive, but saying that the feminine and not overweight requirement is "unfair" is crazy
Sure you can't change your height or dick size but you can earn six figures and have washboard abs. Everything else is just excuse and if you say its unfair you are a fat broke landwhale that I would not have sex with. :ratface:
 
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