Culture ‘Hell on earth’: Men share why they avoid singles nights - Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners

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Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners​

Monday 02 March 2026 09:08 EST
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Dating nights aren't for everyone (iStock)

Olivia Petter’s report on the challenges of getting men to attend singles nights prompted a flood of responses from male readers sharing their own experiences of dating.

Rather than rejecting the premise outright, many used the comments to explain why events like these hold little appeal for them personally.

A recurring theme was discomfort with structured, high-pressure formats such as speed dating, which several described as “forced”, “synthetic” or akin to a job interview.

Men spoke about feeling exposed in environments where rejection plays out publicly, arguing that the expectation to be instantly charming, funny and confident creates an uneven dynamic. Some said they preferred meeting partners organically – through friends, shared hobbies, travel or everyday life – where connection develops more naturally and without an audience.

Others reflected more broadly on modern dating. A number of commenters said they had opted out of formal dating altogether, citing exhaustion with apps, perceived imbalances in effort, or a sense that expectations have become transactional and over-analysed.

Here’s what you had to say:

Men shoulder most of the effort in dating

As a single man who has largely given up on dating, articles like this complaining about men while making out that women are great sum up why.

I’m expected to put the vast majority of effort into dating. I take the risk of rejection in doing the asking out, I arrange the date, usually carry the conversation, frequently am expected to pay, then this process repeats for future dates. The majority of women I met seemed to think turning up was all that’s required for me to ‘woo’ them. In return, I’ve had women ghost, cancel last minute after I’ve paid for tickets, complain about the venue, say things like I should be grateful they turned up at all after they arrived almost an hour late (extreme lateness was very common, often followed by a dismissive comment about how I should put up with it because I’m a man).

Clearly there are issues women experience too, but the big difference from my perspective is effort. Women expect everything to be done for them and, other than their appearance, don’t invest much in the early dating stages. I’ve never once had a woman ‘bound right up’ and ask me out, never had a woman pay, never felt like they were making the effort to keep me entertained, never had them suggest or arrange a date. They frequently complain about men’s failings yet seem to have zero awareness of their own.

I’m in my 40s now, so I’m not that bothered about sex or flings. I have good friends and enough going on that I don't want to waste time on something that just isn't enjoyable. If the other person was making a similar level of effort, then I may feel differently. The level of entitlement is ridiculous though – it frequently felt like dealing with teenagers, unable to show any initiative or reciprocation.

Andy

Men are used to being rejected

Attending an event like this is a higher risk for men. Social vulnerability is something men are culturally punished for showing. Men are used to being rejected; women are often the ones rejecting. Experiencing this again, but with an audience, can't be that tempting.

This type of event also favours verbal fluency, emotional expressiveness, and social confidence – traits that suit how the average woman socialises better than men. You describe this as men suffering from pride or a lack of motivation, completely ignoring that the format itself is flawed.

If you want something more than that, involve some sort of activity. Add some sort of competition with built-in conversation starters. A quiz? Cooking? Cocktail-making competition? Why not a go-kart event? A great night regardless of the social outcome.

My two best dates were a trip to IKEA and one where that girl showed me some great biking paths in the forest. The latter one is now my wife.

Daniel

Many of us are socially awkward

I met the women I ended up marrying on a backpacking trip: she was camping with three other women and I was by myself. No force on earth could have compelled me to enter an event such as the writer describes. Of course, I was (and am) socially awkward – but so are so many of us.

I can't recall how my children met their partners, but we had one recent success. Through my wife's friend, we got to know a man who had been a friend of one of her children. He seemed like a nice guy with no partner. But he was VERY quiet. Our daughters had a female friend who had no partner and who they described as being really nice, so we old folks went into action. Our daughters approached their friend, who sent them a list of questions – "Does he have kids? Has he been married? Does he smoke? Does he have a job?" – which they passed on to us to get the answers. Things worked out. Yay! Matchmaking lives!

soccerdad

Dates are like job interviews

I wonder if the psychology of the modern dating game just appeals more to women than men?

I'm in my early fifties now. In my teens, people were either very much in a relationship or not; the idea of going on a date with someone to see if you wanted a relationship was something alien we saw on American television. By my thirties, I'd largely opted out of the whole thing.

The idea of going on a date which was effectively a job interview seemed a very unappealing way of spending an evening when there was the alternative of doing something I enjoyed. If I met somebody that way, well and good; if not, it didn't matter – I was out having fun, doing things I wanted to do. I met women who were attracted to me and I not them, women to whom I was attracted and they not me, and on it went.

Eventually I met the woman who is now my wife quite by accident, through friends.

I did once, for a magazine article I agreed to write, go to a speed-dating night. It was hell on earth for me – I hated it. I dabbled very briefly with internet dating as well, but never went on a date because I never saw anyone I thought would be a match. It all felt pointless.

PadraigMahone

Let things happen naturally

It was the same decades ago. I once got asked to join a speed-dating night as there weren't enough men. I'd just had a bad accident, so I explained to the organiser that I was in no fit state to go looking for a date; I'd come just for the fun of it.

I had to fill in a form where you had to describe yourself in three words. Assuming I would get no dates whatsoever, I wrote "toothless, not heartless." Then I sat down with each girl and explained I was here just for fun – because, well, look at the state of me.

To my surprise, every single girl put me top of their list – and even the girl organising the event asked me out. The other guys didn't get a look in because they were trying to be "sensitive, caring, and kind" like they had written down –and this went absolutely nowhere.

There's a serious point here – men don't like dating events because they feel forced and synthetic. The format itself runs against the grain of how many men are wired to court. Being lined up for inspection, filling in forms, rotating on a timer – not just uncomfortable, but actively undermines the qualities that tend to make men attractive in the first place: spontaneity, confidence, a bit of mystery. Hard to be mysterious when you're wearing a name badge. It doesn't feel particularly "blokey" to offer yourself out for selection.

Dating events aren't struggling because men are emotionally stunted or commitment-averse – they're failing because the environment selects against natural confidence and rewards a kind of performed sensitivity that most people, including the women attending, can smell from a mile off.

Far better to go, have some fun, and let things happen naturally – even when you're least expecting it!

Sneaker

I’d head to an event over an app

I have to say that for someone who hasn't been dating for 30 years, this goes against what I would have expected – i.e., men outnumbering women 15:1 rather than the other way round.

If I ever found myself dating again, I'd have thought I'd head to an event like this long before I'd join an app, to be honest. But maybe that's just me.

GoodGriefCharlieBrown

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This format, that format, vidya games, feminism, blah blah blah.

When is anyone going to talk about how atomization has made everyone so self centered and insufferable that no one could possibly date them? Everyone sucks.
 
Before the internet and especially social media/dating apps that man was someone from her social circle or local area who then had to have taken time out of his day to at least smile and talk to her, significantly diminishing the likelihood of her ending up completely delusional. Unfortunately for men today her having matched with Henry Cavill-lite one time to her means anything less than him is a downgrade with which she will never be content, much less happy.
This can not be overstated.

As a modern man your competition for women isnt the only other men in her physical presence with the balls to ask her out or for her number. Its literally every man on the planet now thanks to dating apps and social media aka dating apps. People especially older just do not comprehend this.
 
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And the ones who do are shameless enough to scream "red flag".

Things I've gotten when being hit on IRL:
  • At a meetup group, one guy stared at me to the point where I had to give him a look like he was a psycho. He also insulted a friend I was there with (male, did so to big himself up; gross). Had the unmitigated balls to ask me out before I left.
  • Outside a gas station, a guy way too young for me catcalls me (yes, it happens, it's just not that often). I scolded him and damn near told him to go home to his mother.
  • Outside another gas station, a guy says, "Are you single?" The answer to that question is no. It doesn't matter if I am or if I am not. If you ask that question, it comes across as "Is there a man at your place that will shoot me if I follow you home?"
  • Just walking around town, some dude stops me and makes small talk. All well and good. Asks my name and lamely says my name is pretty before hurriedly asking for my number. I know I shouldn't feel bad about that but it actually feels kind of awful. All of the things you could compliment me on, and you pick the one thing that might not have even been true.
  • Tells me I have the same name as his daughter. I would think it's a general rule that you don't hit on someone with the same name of someone you're related to. Also, same guy, tells me a story about his life that screams "old enough to be my father". Also, I look significantly younger than my age, so...really gross.

This is not me saying that all guys looking for someone are this lame or gross. Just that the ones with the balls to do it also have the balls to be brazen about how shit they are.
You sound like a pretentious, tiresome, and unpleasant individual, you're doing these poor guys a favor.
 
Faggots - listen to her, she's trying to teach you how to get laid.

Women will always remember how you made them feel. So make sure the feelings you're remembered for are good ones, not awkward and creepy.
No woman has ever tried to help any man get laid, for the simple reason that they don't consider men who aren't physically appealing enough to get laid simply by existing to be human.

That's the key ingredient she's leaving out in her kvetching - none of these men gave her pussytingles within the first 12 nanoseconds of looking at them. Please consult the helpful illustration below:

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Now? There's a chance you'll be plastered all over social media as a creep
Men should stay off social media, unless you're using a fake name for trolling purposes. Social media is a huge waste of time. Leave that shit to women and boomers.
And persistence is seen as "harassment" and will get you in LOTS of trouble if (ironically) the person you're being persistent towards
Be persistent in keeping your chin up and approaching women if you're single and want a boyfriend-free girlfriend. Don't stalk the same girl if she's not interested.
the number is high enough that the risks just aren't worth it
But it is worth it.
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Nigga you're giving pickup advice on an entertainment forum
Because I love you. ❤️
When is anyone going to talk about how atomization has made everyone so self centered and insufferable that no one could possibly date them? Everyone sucks.
Most people are ok if you give them a chance.

There's plenty of good people out there. Lot of fine young men and women in every town and city. They're not on Tinder though.
As a modern man your competition for women isnt the only other men in her physical presence with the balls to ask her out or for her number. Its literally every man on the planet now thanks to dating apps and social media aka dating apps.
Naw, man. That's a preemptive excuse. You know who uses those? Losers. Because not trying is easier than dealing with rejection. But if you don't try you're guaranteed to not win.
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Why would a man willingly go to something that sounds like the IRL equivalent of swiping on dating apps?
 
Because most of these women aren't worth the effort. They're only there to find an ATM, drain it, and move on to the next one.
 
The best looking man that has ever given a woman the slightest indicator that he was attainable for her is her new normal.
My old housemate was married to a minor movie star for a year, she ended up going 8 years without a real partner. Alpha widowdom is real.
a guy way too young for me catcalls me
You look young, he looks young. His only mistake is catcalling.
"Is there a man at your place that will shoot me if I follow you home?"
"R U Single?" isn't that bad, it might even be a green flag he's not an experienced player.
The real red flag is "Do you live alone?", not only from a violence perspective, but he's probably a married man looking for something on the side.
pickup advice on an entertainment forum
Every lolcow teaches us lessons on what not to do.
Then again I'm hopelessly single and Chris has Flutter.
 
you know what's truly sad? i can't even reccomend the " go to church" thing because enough slimeball faggots come through and give the women grief that they look elsewhere for a husband. whether its fundamentalist faggots or atheists, dudes came and broke the god fearing women.
 
Most people are ok if you give them a chance.

There's plenty of good people out there. Lot of fine young men and women in every town and city. They're not on Tinder though.
Forgive my internet-induced hyperbole.

Of course there are plenty of good people. I've been to some happy weddings and baby showers the past few years.

It just seems like there is a lot of hand wringing about people's inability to shack up. The think-pieces on it are never ending. There seems to be no deficit of men mad at women and women mad at men and they're all writing about it without ever looking up from their keyboards to investigate what their problem really is or to notice the functional couples around them.
 
It's important to realize that dating is like thermodynamics. with one important difference.
1. You can't win.
2. You can't break even.
3. But you CAN quit the game.
 
Yeah this did not happen at all
Lines like "toothless, not heartless." reveal that a woman wrote it. This is an article a woman wrote to try to get men to waste time and money on singles events after women stopped showing up and so did the men.
 
I did a speed dating thing once like a decade ago. It wasn't until about a third of the way in that I remembered I was a sperg and these were normies and I may as well have been a footballfish that signed up to run a 40 yard dash. I was not selected. The women were all in their upper 30s by the way.
 
Seduction is a lot like sales. It's a process, a learned skill and a numbers game.
Every time that I've given someone a quote for a job and you can tell they don't want to pay that much, and I've said "by all means get a second bid" and they demand that I do the job immediately at the quoted price it's always ended poorly.
 
When is anyone going to talk about how atomization has made everyone so self centered and insufferable that no one could possibly date them? Everyone sucks.
Atomization is definitely the answer. Go to an event in a major city nowadays. It's pretty much the only non-bar/dating app way to organically meet people. However, don't get your hopes too high. Most of the people at public events are over the age of 40 and they'll be infested with browns and other undesirables (also true at bars). Even if the right demographic is present at all, you'll have to beat off the hordes to attempt a conversation. Despite the "go to church" advice I hear thrown around, I don't hear about too many relationships starting through a church you didn't grow up in.

Life really was better before the browns and olds shat up the public forum. Only "winning" move I can suggest to attempting romance nowadays is rejecting the "rules" around talking to other people. That or spam the dating apps and taking the least rotten garbage available.

There seems to be no deficit of men mad at women and women mad at men and they're all writing about it without ever looking up from their keyboards to investigate what their problem really is or to notice the functional couples around them.
It's because no one locks these raging thirstposters in a closet and tells them to just fuck already like in the old days. Never underestimate how many people got married in the past only because friends and family dragged potential spouses to meet them.
 
And the ones who do are shameless enough to scream "red flag".
Haha yeah imagine the horror of random strangers letting you know they find you attractive haha what a nightmare life lmao even if they are a little awkward haha FML
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Women have to put up with a lot of unwanted male advances
Well up until they need to start going to speed dating in their late 30’s or older, apparently.
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The real reason men aren't pursuing women now has nothing to do with that though. It's because women for the most part are fucking BORING. Any and all of their "interests" are surface level at most.
Reposting a classic
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As a modern man your competition for women isnt the only other men in her physical presence with the balls to ask her out or for her number. Its literally every man on the planet now thanks to dating apps and social media
Oh, it’s worse: you’re not just competing with other men, you’re also competing with shit-brained social media algorithms that promote women’s stories about ‘nightmare dates’ and ‘inadequate men’. Sites like TikTok have literally commodified female dissatisfaction with men to the point demand outstrips supply, so ‘influencers’ have to come up with ever more outlandish tales of male dysfunction, in some fucked-up arms race where the final prize is the most attention from lonely, spiteful, boxed wine connoisseurs and being eaten by your cats after a lonely death. At least Shulamith Firestone had the decency to die in line with an actual stated philosophy.

No woman who lives on and for social media and dating sites will ever have a successful relationship, because being part of a functional adult relationship will always be less important than likes, updoots, and getting fingerblasted by thirtysomething bartenders with handlebar mustaches and man buns. Social media for them is eternal socializing, men are just ghosts that flicker at the edges of their vision occasionally.
 
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All these dudes are taking the wrong tact. The easy way to pick up women is very simple.
1: Bully them
2: Bully them some more
3: Say something mildly nice about them

There you go. It sounds retarded but I've accidentally done it before multiple times and it works. Womens brains are fucked up so they don't actually want companionship, they want some fucked up social game.

The real reason men aren't pursuing women now has nothing to do with that though. It's because women for the most part are fucking BORING. Any and all of their "interests" are surface level at most. For example I'm talking to a lady right now and she brought up how she hates a certain group of people and I asked why. Her answer was "I don't like their language" with absolutely nothing else, not even an explanation of why she hates the language. Talking to modern women is like the image negative of a search engine. You send a message about your interests in for example ornithology to a "passionate birdwatcher" and you get back "cute bird".
I have arguably a bad habit of shit talking and bantering the more comfortable I am with a person and this social autism has 100% proven to be a successful flirting strategy whether I was even interested in the chick or not. Women are a meme. Throw rocks at them.
 
This can not be overstated.

As a modern man your competition for women isnt the only other men in her physical presence with the balls to ask her out or for her number. Its literally every man on the planet now thanks to dating apps and social media aka dating apps. People especially older just do not comprehend this.
Wrong as a modern man you are in competition with her personal peace, tranquility and 300 activities she has during the week .

This is what modern men refuse to understand.
 
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