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It's one of those overpriced useless products Apple routinely puts out that has no real market. Like the Lisa or the Newton (although the Newton was pretty cool in some ways). Or more recently AppleTV. Who wants this shit?
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I think people are right to point out how Apple under Tim Cook is more about being a fashion statement than functionality. Previously, Apple would make things that were useful, like the iPod or the iPhone. Now, it's just here: the new iPhone with the same software and a slightly better camera for thousands of dollars. The only thing keeping Apple afloat is the brand recognition from the old days and the green bubbles. That's it. If Americans got off SMS, Apple would have a massive decline.
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"The Industrial Revolution and its consequences..."
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I was very skeptical when the Vision Pro was first announced. A four-figure price tag on something with a sucky name, 2-hour battery life, no killer app, which is marketable for its novelty value and very little else. I'm confident there will be a significant enthusiast market for it, but it needs more than that to recoup its R&D costs. And in order to catch on outside that market, it would need to overcome the obvious creepiness factor.
For better or worse, we as humans find devices that block the ears much less obtrusive than devices that block the eyes. Even a professional niggerphobe would be hard-pressed to say the man on the right looks more approachable out of these two. Maybe that perception might change a little when these things become as ubiquitous as headphones, but in order for that to happen, they would first have to become as ubiquitous as headphones.
Apple tried to mitigate the creepiness by CGI-ing the user's eyes on the front of the headset, which makes for as an extremely impressive tech demo. Much like with Disney when they digitally de-aged Luke, their industry people are going to eat that shit up because they had no idea this was even possible with the current tech – if we can do that, what else can we do with this tech? – and so on. This is not likely to be the reaction from most people seeing these devices in their everyday lives, whom, I remind you, are the very audience that this feature was intended for.
These are stills from Apple's video, which looks a bit less polished than the carefully airbrushed photos of people "wearing" the headset. Anyway, it's going to look a lot less convincing when you actually come face-to-CGI-face with one of these, especially when viewing it from any kind of an angle, since that causes parallax distortion that the built-in screen can't correct for.
Even in this promotional video, which is supposed to be the best it can possibly look, it has a very 'soul-trapped-in-a-jar' kind of vibe, which is the last thing Apple wants potential customers to associate with this product when they see it in use for the first time.
This comes at a time when many people often rightfully distrust digital tech due to it being creepy in other ways – collecting personal data, trapping them in zombie-like game binges, creating a fake Instagram lifestyle, and so on. We are well past the honeymoon period of "isn't this cool!" that began with the iPod, continued with social media and the iPhone, and ended in 2016 when social media became the obvious thing to blame for the rise of the far right/the far left (delete as appropriate). We've moved from thinking about the potential of smartphones to the consequences of them. Paying $3.5k to strap one to your face is going to be a hard sell at the very least.
With all that being said though, when I watch that Apple video, the thought of escaping into a virtual world where I can just work and relax in a pleasant environment, is appealing, very appealing. I mean, that's basically the same thing my existing devices do anyway, minus the pleasant environment.
(Assuming KF isn't just blocked by default.)
So I could definitely overlook the creepiness factor if I were just using it by myself. What I can't overlook, however, is the price tag. I'd actually be willing to put up with the usual Apple BS with the locked down OS, shitty multitasking UI, and lack of customisation options... if the decimal point were just moved one digit to the left. But I doubt most other people would even pay $350 for it.
(And I know most of us would probably have said the same thing about the iPhone 16 years ago, but that at least served two existing needs – the iPod and the phone – and became a status symbol right off the bat, while costing considerably less.)
I've seen youtubers and podcasters give their takes on Vision Pro. But Chato is the only one who makes me even halfway convinced that this product might have a future. Being both an TV industry guy and an Apple guy, he is uniquely qualified to comment on this. And he doesn't pull his punches when it comes to wokeshit and generally being critical of modern entertainment.
The TL;DW is that he thinks home entertainment will be Vision Pro's killer app. This will serve the same market as giant TVs and big booming soundsystems. And filmmakers will be desperate to get their movies onto this machine, not least of which is Disney, which has already announced some kind of partnership with Apple. But he stresses that it's early days, and doesn't make any firm predictions.
I kinda want Chato to be right. Living in the timeline where you can don a headset to get a gorgeous 8k monitor in any room of the house would be pretty sweet. But then again, I kinda hope he's wrong and it flops. Apple is long overdue for a massive failure. Tech titans need to learn that they're not gods. The timeline where this product succeeds is the one where deplatforming, DRM, mass surveillance, planned obsolescence, and other tech industry malpractices would become more obtrusive than ever.
Here's to the inevitable 2025 postmortems about why this thing didn't sell.
For better or worse, we as humans find devices that block the ears much less obtrusive than devices that block the eyes. Even a professional niggerphobe would be hard-pressed to say the man on the right looks more approachable out of these two. Maybe that perception might change a little when these things become as ubiquitous as headphones, but in order for that to happen, they would first have to become as ubiquitous as headphones.
Apple tried to mitigate the creepiness by CGI-ing the user's eyes on the front of the headset, which makes for as an extremely impressive tech demo. Much like with Disney when they digitally de-aged Luke, their industry people are going to eat that shit up because they had no idea this was even possible with the current tech – if we can do that, what else can we do with this tech? – and so on. This is not likely to be the reaction from most people seeing these devices in their everyday lives, whom, I remind you, are the very audience that this feature was intended for.
These are stills from Apple's video, which looks a bit less polished than the carefully airbrushed photos of people "wearing" the headset. Anyway, it's going to look a lot less convincing when you actually come face-to-CGI-face with one of these, especially when viewing it from any kind of an angle, since that causes parallax distortion that the built-in screen can't correct for.
Even in this promotional video, which is supposed to be the best it can possibly look, it has a very 'soul-trapped-in-a-jar' kind of vibe, which is the last thing Apple wants potential customers to associate with this product when they see it in use for the first time.
This comes at a time when many people often rightfully distrust digital tech due to it being creepy in other ways – collecting personal data, trapping them in zombie-like game binges, creating a fake Instagram lifestyle, and so on. We are well past the honeymoon period of "isn't this cool!" that began with the iPod, continued with social media and the iPhone, and ended in 2016 when social media became the obvious thing to blame for the rise of the far right/the far left (delete as appropriate). We've moved from thinking about the potential of smartphones to the consequences of them. Paying $3.5k to strap one to your face is going to be a hard sell at the very least.
With all that being said though, when I watch that Apple video, the thought of escaping into a virtual world where I can just work and relax in a pleasant environment, is appealing, very appealing. I mean, that's basically the same thing my existing devices do anyway, minus the pleasant environment.
(Assuming KF isn't just blocked by default.)
So I could definitely overlook the creepiness factor if I were just using it by myself. What I can't overlook, however, is the price tag. I'd actually be willing to put up with the usual Apple BS with the locked down OS, shitty multitasking UI, and lack of customisation options... if the decimal point were just moved one digit to the left. But I doubt most other people would even pay $350 for it.
(And I know most of us would probably have said the same thing about the iPhone 16 years ago, but that at least served two existing needs – the iPod and the phone – and became a status symbol right off the bat, while costing considerably less.)
I've seen youtubers and podcasters give their takes on Vision Pro. But Chato is the only one who makes me even halfway convinced that this product might have a future. Being both an TV industry guy and an Apple guy, he is uniquely qualified to comment on this. And he doesn't pull his punches when it comes to wokeshit and generally being critical of modern entertainment.
The TL;DW is that he thinks home entertainment will be Vision Pro's killer app. This will serve the same market as giant TVs and big booming soundsystems. And filmmakers will be desperate to get their movies onto this machine, not least of which is Disney, which has already announced some kind of partnership with Apple. But he stresses that it's early days, and doesn't make any firm predictions.
I kinda want Chato to be right. Living in the timeline where you can don a headset to get a gorgeous 8k monitor in any room of the house would be pretty sweet. But then again, I kinda hope he's wrong and it flops. Apple is long overdue for a massive failure. Tech titans need to learn that they're not gods. The timeline where this product succeeds is the one where deplatforming, DRM, mass surveillance, planned obsolescence, and other tech industry malpractices would become more obtrusive than ever.
Here's to the inevitable 2025 postmortems about why this thing didn't sell.
>Moonhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=M2LWcHIyNWQ"How Apple's Vision Pro Will Change Society Forever" - Moon
tl;dw: Moon claims that this Apple VR thing will lead to VR and "augmented reality" becoming mainstream.
But he may not see that as a good thing.
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The first generation is guaranteed to not sell for the simple fact that you need to schedule an appointment for an eye exam at an Apple store to buy one. Apparently they're working on some tech to mitigate this that will allow someone to calibrate the headset for their eyes at home, but that's not coming in the first gen.
Apple seems to be approaching this market cautiously and this first gen is more like an expensive beta test than anything else. It'll be interesting to see how it performs once people actually get their hands on it but it's definitely not in my price range.
People have brought up the iPhone a lot in this thread, but does anyone here remember how utterly shit the original iPhone was? There were no third-party apps at all. Jobs' dream for the thing was that you should just use web apps through Safari if you wanted anything more than what was built-in. It was only after public backlash that the app store became a thing... a full year and some change after the iPhone came out. Hell, out of the box the original iPhone didn't even support 3G cellular connectivity.
There was nothing especially useful about the iPhone when it first came out. It had basically the same functionality as a carrier featurephone with a slightly better web browser and a touch screen. Professionals were still firmly in the PocketPC ecosystem and normies were still buying razrs.
And then let's talk about the original iPod - it had a tiny hard drive for its price, a dinky physical wheel, and could literally only be used with a Mac over FireWire. It took them several years to do things like add USB (and Windows) support and implement the solid state clickwheel in order to make the iPod into something that people actually wanted to buy and use. The iPod didn't really become a mass-market product until the 3rd gen in 2003 and it wasn't until the 4th gen that it became a must-have device for millennials.
This is why I'm never really super pessimistic about brand new Apple products. We can all sit in a circle and guffaw about how it's too expensive and how it's never going to work. And then ten years from now, your kids will be issued Apple Vision Minis at school to jack in to the SoyVerse and everyone will think it's the most mundane and ordinary thing in the world.
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Yeah the only thing keeping a $2.8 Trillion company in business is SMS. I’m no Apple fanboy but this is a bit much
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My gut says this is to prevent the stupid situation which occurred with VR headsets. When the Oculus Rift came out, folks would ask their optician for their IPD, which would be met with anything from curiosity to outright hostility depending on your medical situation (as said info could also be combined with your prescription to get cheaper reading glasses online, if you happen to need them).
Unless the economics differs wildly in favour of Android in the US, I suspect that’s not the case.
Outside of the US, people on contracts very quickly discovered they could sell their old unlocked iPhones at the point of upgrade to reclaim a good chunk of money, or give it to their spouse/children essentially for free. This is because an iPhone remains fully supported for double, if not triple the time of most comparable Android handsets due to SoC manufacturers shafting OEMs on kernel driver updates.
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Most burgers also buy their phones from their carriers on contract. The major difference between iPhone and Android here is that Apple doesn't allow carriers to install a ton of unremovable bloatware on iPhones whereas Android flagships are routinely loaded up with intrusive shitware so carriers can make a few extra shekels.
This is why the popular burger perception of Android devices is that they're slow and shitty. And to no one's surprise, this has really taken a toll on Android's marketshare in the US.
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In the US I know that some carriers offer very good trade ins and promotions. My dad has always used an iPhone, and after trading in his old one for credit gets the latest model every 2-3 years for only like $100-200. Sometimes even for free depending on the promotion, like the release of the iPhone 12. When you never buy sticker price it's easy to see how people stick to the brand.
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People said the exact same shit about the iPad.
maddox
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Yeah, I feel like a retard after watching this video.
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The smartphone situation is going to become very interesting in the next few years to say the least.
Linux now has SLTS kernels cooking with 10 years of patch/security support, allowing Android handset manufacturers to potentially outcompete Apple in terms of support lifecycle if they really want to. Fairphone will likely be taking advantage of this at the cost of using a less cutting edge industrial-grade SoC. This would effectively give people 3 or 4 OS upgrades, followed by a good half decade of fixes/patches thereafter, restoring the potential economic benefits again.
Meanwhile, Apple is expected to allow sideloading of an unlimited number of apps on to iDevices without time restrictions. We're likely going to see Apple devices support things they historically prevented like BitTorrent/P2P clients, decent alternative YouTube frontends and proper Mozilla Firefox with Gecko as the rendering engine. That's going to ease the pain point for some of folks who complain about a lack of freedom (even if you can't legitimately root iOS).
Whether this will Make Android Great Again or Make Apple Great Again, it's still going to be MAGA for all of us.
Linux now has SLTS kernels cooking with 10 years of patch/security support, allowing Android handset manufacturers to potentially outcompete Apple in terms of support lifecycle if they really want to. Fairphone will likely be taking advantage of this at the cost of using a less cutting edge industrial-grade SoC. This would effectively give people 3 or 4 OS upgrades, followed by a good half decade of fixes/patches thereafter, restoring the potential economic benefits again.
Meanwhile, Apple is expected to allow sideloading of an unlimited number of apps on to iDevices without time restrictions. We're likely going to see Apple devices support things they historically prevented like BitTorrent/P2P clients, decent alternative YouTube frontends and proper Mozilla Firefox with Gecko as the rendering engine. That's going to ease the pain point for some of folks who complain about a lack of freedom (even if you can't legitimately root iOS).
Whether this will Make Android Great Again or Make Apple Great Again, it's still going to be MAGA for all of us.
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This "mother nature" skit in the latest keynote makes me want to smash my fucking monitor
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I don't think I've watched one of these dumbass things since Steve Jobs croaked. Really only Jobs was inspiring enough to justify watching an hour+ long advertisement.
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You can get a Pixel 7 for $400. I don't know where you're getting the "almost as expensive as iPhones" bit. Sure there's some high-end ones but there's plenty of quality devices for half the price of an Apple device.
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Ever since COVID they've switched from doing live keynotes to doing pre-recorded ones, it kind of helps as all of the fancy transitions and presenter changes somewhat mask how fucking boring Tim and most of his buddies are.
They've never really done long-form skits, and given what I saw I hope they never try it again. Watch this if you dare, this is literally 5 minutes of "I kneel to fat sassy nigger lady and we're saving the heccin environment by doing a bunch of useless bullshit even though we could do the same by actually making our products easier to repair". Kind of a shock as well, usually Apple just hides the wokeness in by using ugly niggers and dangerhairs for promotional photos, I didn't expect them to do something this blatant.
Overall, very boring, not a great use of 90 minutes, 4/10.
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>start making iPhones in India
>proudly advertise that you're no longer using leather
The one good thing they revealed is the A17. Not because I care about buying a phone with one, but because that'll be foundation for their next generation of laptop, desktop, and tablet processors. Which means that iPads and Macs will finally have hardware ray-tracing support.
>proudly advertise that you're no longer using leather
The one good thing they revealed is the A17. Not because I care about buying a phone with one, but because that'll be foundation for their next generation of laptop, desktop, and tablet processors. Which means that iPads and Macs will finally have hardware ray-tracing support.
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Yeah, it was meh and I only watch part of it before taking care of more important things. I currently use a 12PM after previously having a OnePlus 8 that died on me after using it for 6 months (it was overheating and had screen burn-in). I rage bought the 12PM, and apart from a battery swap, it has been working out quite well for me. Granted I just miss having that good USB-C standard for everything that makes cable management quite a bit easier (once in a blue moon EU win). While I have been somewhat interested in the 15 series for USB-C and the camera (granted Samsung and Google do good zoom stuff already), I don't see a big reason to upgrade to the 15 series right now. I may eventually get it if they decided to become fully retarded and do a portless phone, but that's still a few years away at the very least. Lastly, I do want to see if they will increase the charge speed for the phones, but knowing apple it'll be limted to the pro series, or whatever they want to limit for next apple coomsumer iphone.