Apple Thread - The most overrated technology brand?

[TVB]

I would, but I accidentally rolled over it with my wheelchair and I've been stuck at the Apple Store so long that all of time looped back around

Like I always say, time keeps on slippin'. Believe me, I've been listening to Steve Miller Band in repeats while being passed out.

 

[AN/ALR56]

https://wccftech.com/usb-c-on-iphon...ertification-compatible-accessories-underway/

Not surprisingly, Apple has been dragged into USB-C and like a petty child, has decided to gimp the port unless you buy a proprietary apple cable for a open source standard adopted by the industry:

Apple will launch the new iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro models later this year with a wide range of new features and forward-facing changes. The devices are finally adopting USB-C after years of feedback from users. While it is great news, there is a catch that you should know of. The USB-C port on iPhone 15 will limit data transfer speeds with cables that are not MFi certified. What this means is that the accessories need to be compatible with Apple's standard in order to fully take full advantage of the port.

Non-MFi accessories will not be able to take full advantage of the iPhone 15's USB-C port, Foxconn has already started production of compatible accessories​

You might have come across a message on your iPhone that says "This accessory is not supported." Well, the Made for iPhone or MFi accessories come with a dedicated chip that confirms if the accessory meets the company standards. You will be presented with a prompt telling you that the accessory is not supported if it is made by third-party sellers. Apple has adopted the approach for more than a decade now and it will be brought forward with USB-C port on the iPhone 15.

Despite Apple's good will to bring USB-C to its iPhone lineup later this year, not all cables will be compatible to transfrer wired data at maximum speed. You will have to buy an MFi cable or any other accessory with the standard to make use of the USB-C port's full potential. It was coined by ShrimpApplePro that this year's iPhone 15 models will come with USB-C with MFi. Furthermore, Apple's main supplier Foxconn has already begun the production of MFi compatible accessories.

Much like how Apple stops signing older iOS builds so users can enjoy the latest features and security updates, the chip that authenticates accessories encourages users to purchase original add-ons. Furthermore, it is also easier to distinguish between genuine and fake accessories. While there are pros, non-MFi accessories will not only limit the data transfer speed but also cap the iPhone's charging speed.

 

[Ita Mori]

Despite Apple's good will to-

Good will, fucking lol.
This is the kind of guy who sees getting mugged as an opportunity.

 

[DoubleD]

Much like how Apple stops signing older iOS builds so users can enjoy the latest features and security updates,

People enjoy that Apple makes it physically impossible to install an older iOS? Fuck no.

God knows how many people lost access to 32-bit games because iOS 11 broke compatibility and Apple stopped signing 10 within a couple of weeks like they usually do. From all of those people: fuck you. Not to mention those who lost jailbreak vulnerabilities, 3D touch, or just had their phones slowed down irreversibly by updates.

As tempting as it is to say this guy's a paid shill, I know he's not. There is just such a groupthink mindset in tech journalism that everyone tends to make the same excuses for Apple, even if they're not being paid with review units or access to Apple events.

 

[Absolutego]

https://wccftech.com/usb-c-on-iphon...ertification-compatible-accessories-underway/

Not surprisingly, Apple has been dragged into USB-C and like a petty child, has decided to gimp the port unless you buy a proprietary apple cable for a open source standard adopted by the industry:

This strategy cements my opinion that they are a proprietary cable/dongle company masquerading as a tech firm.

 

[PC LOAD LETTER]

This strategy cements my opinion that they are a proprietary cable/dongle company masquerading as a tech firm.

Apple has a long and storied history of pulling shit like this.

Back when Macs still had SCSI, Apple used a non-standard 25-pin connector on their desktops, and whatever the fuck this was on their laptops. Classic Mac OS also refused to talk to any hard drive or CD-ROM drive that didn't have custom Apple firmware installed, something that only changed when OS X came out. Want to connect your shiny Mac to this fancy new ethernet thing? Fuck you, buy our special dongles! By the time we got to the Powermac, you had to buy dongles if you didn't want to replace your monitor, and Apple would repeat this move a decade later with Apple Display Connector. Mini-VGA and Mini-DVI were also common on iBooks, PowerBooks, and MacBooks up until Apple started putting DisplayPort on Macbooks. Side note, apparently Mini-DisplayPort is also an Apple invention, but that at least got some traction outside of Apple.

There was this USB cable, designed specifically to prevent you from using non-Apple USB devices. FireWire may as well have been proprietary to Apple since they were the only company to ever include FireWire on their computers, and you only saw FireWire in the PC world if someone had a Sony camera - if you wanted digital video out of your camcorder, the only way to do it was through FireWire.

We could classify Thunderbolt the same way as well. If you wanted full gigabit ethernet on a Mac you had to buy Apple's special dongle because Apple refused to put a USB 3.0 port on the Mac until USB-C came out. Nowadays Thunderbolt 3 and 4 were rolled into the USB-C spec so I guess it's not as proprietary anymore? Back when Macbooks still had replaceable storage, sure, the interface was NVME but the connector was completely proprietary. That's why these adapters exist.

Special mention to the 30-pin dock connector. You'd think with the recent resurgence of old iPods that people would be making cool accessories for the 30-pin connector, right? I looked into it a while back - if you want to do anything more with the 30-pin connector besides transfer data and charge, good luck because the communications protocol is encrypted and nobody's ever leaked the spec or bothered to break the encryption. There's also the tiny little problem that you simply cannot buy the male connectors anymore. I looked high and low on every component distributor's website and even into the depths of AliExpress. Those connectors just don't exist anymore. And you can't just buy old USB cables to hack with because those are only pinned out for the four USB pins, not the full 30 pins the connector supports.

 

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Apple has a long and storied history of pulling shit like this.

Somewhat agree, but

Back when Macs still had SCSI, Apple used a non-standard 25-pin connector on their desktops

Also used on Amigas, and other early SCSI implementations. I'm unaware of there being a standard for the physical interface, at least early on.

and whatever the fuck this was on their laptops

nigga, they weren't going to put a fat 50-pin centronics connector with the little locking tabs and shit onto a PowerBook.

Classic Mac OS also refused to talk to any hard drive or CD-ROM drive that didn't have custom Apple firmware installed, something that only changed when OS X came out.

Yeah, the low level formatting utilities didn't always support random non apple drives, without a patched version you could get from the net or an enthusiast group. I never had to deal with external CDROMs but I believe there are tools around to work with that.

Want to connect your shiny Mac to this fancy new ethernet thing? Fuck you, buy our special dongles!

Sure, in the thinnet era, before you could just get a NuBus or PDS card with RJ-45 on the card itself.

By the time we got to the Powermac, you had to buy dongles if you didn't want to replace your monitor, and Apple would repeat this move a decade later with Apple Display Connector. Mini-VGA and Mini-DVI were also common on iBooks, PowerBooks, and MacBooks up until Apple started putting DisplayPort on Macbooks. Side note, apparently Mini-DisplayPort is also an Apple invention, but that at least got some traction outside of Apple.

Yeah, some of Apple's early attempts to anticipate HDMI were a bit wanky.

There was this USB cable, designed specifically to prevent you from using non-Apple USB devices.

My understanding is that the USB spec did not provide for passive extension cables, so technically that extension cable was not a 'USB cable' (and so Apple's compliance with USB was preserved).

FireWire may as well have been proprietary to Apple since they were the only company to ever include FireWire on their computers, and you only saw FireWire in the PC world if someone had a Sony camera - if you wanted digital video out of your camcorder, the only way to do it was through FireWire.

We could classify Thunderbolt the same way as well.

You might as well say that Apple was using a propetiery standard when they launched the iMac with USB and no ADB ports.

 

[Pissmaster]

People enjoy that Apple makes it physically impossible to install an older iOS? Fuck no.

God knows how many people lost access to 32-bit games because iOS 11 broke compatibility and Apple stopped signing 10 within a couple of weeks like they usually do. From all of those people: fuck you. Not to mention those who lost jailbreak vulnerabilities, 3D touch, or just had their phones slowed down irreversibly by updates.

As tempting as it is to say this guy's a paid shill, I know he's not. There is just such a groupthink mindset in tech journalism that everyone tends to make the same excuses for Apple, even if they're not being paid with review units or access to Apple events.

Apple cultists are a big reason why I quit using Apple products. They are a thousand times worse than the most insufferable ArchLinux faggots. At least Linux dudes tend to have a solution, even if it is complex and convoluted, whereas Apple’s zealots just look down at you if you’re unwilling to just buy a brand new Mac the second you encounter a problem.

 

[TVB]

Apple has a long and storied history of pulling shit like this.

Back when Macs still had SCSI, Apple used a non-standard 25-pin connector on their desktops, and whatever the fuck this was on their laptops. Classic Mac OS also refused to talk to any hard drive or CD-ROM drive that didn't have custom Apple firmware installed, something that only changed when OS X came out. Want to connect your shiny Mac to this fancy new ethernet thing? Fuck you, buy our special dongles! By the time we got to the Powermac, you had to buy dongles if you didn't want to replace your monitor, and Apple would repeat this move a decade later with Apple Display Connector. Mini-VGA and Mini-DVI were also common on iBooks, PowerBooks, and MacBooks up until Apple started putting DisplayPort on Macbooks. Side note, apparently Mini-DisplayPort is also an Apple invention, but that at least got some traction outside of Apple.

There was this USB cable, designed specifically to prevent you from using non-Apple USB devices. FireWire may as well have been proprietary to Apple since they were the only company to ever include FireWire on their computers, and you only saw FireWire in the PC world if someone had a Sony camera - if you wanted digital video out of your camcorder, the only way to do it was through FireWire.

We could classify Thunderbolt the same way as well. If you wanted full gigabit ethernet on a Mac you had to buy Apple's special dongle because Apple refused to put a USB 3.0 port on the Mac until USB-C came out. Nowadays Thunderbolt 3 and 4 were rolled into the USB-C spec so I guess it's not as proprietary anymore? Back when Macbooks still had replaceable storage, sure, the interface was NVME but the connector was completely proprietary. That's why these adapters exist.

Special mention to the 30-pin dock connector. You'd think with the recent resurgence of old iPods that people would be making cool accessories for the 30-pin connector, right? I looked into it a while back - if you want to do anything more with the 30-pin connector besides transfer data and charge, good luck because the communications protocol is encrypted and nobody's ever leaked the spec or bothered to break the encryption. There's also the tiny little problem that you simply cannot buy the male connectors anymore. I looked high and low on every component distributor's website and even into the depths of AliExpress. Those connectors just don't exist anymore. And you can't just buy old USB cables to hack with because those are only pinned out for the four USB pins, not the full 30 pins the connector supports.

It's sad that I still own an Apple phone

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Apple has a long and storied history of pulling shit like this.

Back when Macs still had SCSI, Apple used a non-standard 25-pin connector on their desktops, and whatever the fuck this was on their laptops. Classic Mac OS also refused to talk to any hard drive or CD-ROM drive that didn't have custom Apple firmware installed, something that only changed when OS X came out. Want to connect your shiny Mac to this fancy new ethernet thing? Fuck you, buy our special dongles! By the time we got to the Powermac, you had to buy dongles if you didn't want to replace your monitor, and Apple would repeat this move a decade later with Apple Display Connector. Mini-VGA and Mini-DVI were also common on iBooks, PowerBooks, and MacBooks up until Apple started putting DisplayPort on Macbooks. Side note, apparently Mini-DisplayPort is also an Apple invention, but that at least got some traction outside of Apple.

There was this USB cable, designed specifically to prevent you from using non-Apple USB devices. FireWire may as well have been proprietary to Apple since they were the only company to ever include FireWire on their computers, and you only saw FireWire in the PC world if someone had a Sony camera - if you wanted digital video out of your camcorder, the only way to do it was through FireWire.

We could classify Thunderbolt the same way as well. If you wanted full gigabit ethernet on a Mac you had to buy Apple's special dongle because Apple refused to put a USB 3.0 port on the Mac until USB-C came out. Nowadays Thunderbolt 3 and 4 were rolled into the USB-C spec so I guess it's not as proprietary anymore? Back when Macbooks still had replaceable storage, sure, the interface was NVME but the connector was completely proprietary. That's why these adapters exist.

Special mention to the 30-pin dock connector. You'd think with the recent resurgence of old iPods that people would be making cool accessories for the 30-pin connector, right? I looked into it a while back - if you want to do anything more with the 30-pin connector besides transfer data and charge, good luck because the communications protocol is encrypted and nobody's ever leaked the spec or bothered to break the encryption. There's also the tiny little problem that you simply cannot buy the male connectors anymore. I looked high and low on every component distributor's website and even into the depths of AliExpress. Those connectors just don't exist anymore. And you can't just buy old USB cables to hack with because those are only pinned out for the four USB pins, not the full 30 pins the connector supports.

i seem to recall, maybe from the SCSI days, maybe from the earliest SATA, but I think it was SCSI, a trick where you'd start up with a genuine Apple drive and then while the machine was on but not doing anything you'd swap it for another drive

apple has always been a donglegoblin, but at least their shit usually works if you pay the tax; fucking USB-C "shit" from amazon is flaky af

i've basically given up buying non-apple branded cables for use with apple shit, because the other stuff is so goddam crappy, spent like $80 on various lightning cables before I bit the bullet and just got a "real" one - that seems to be lasting somewhat longer

 

[Absolutego]

Apple has a long and storied history of pulling shit like this.

Back when Macs still had SCSI, Apple used a non-standard 25-pin connector on their desktops, and whatever the fuck this was on their laptops. Classic Mac OS also refused to talk to any hard drive or CD-ROM drive that didn't have custom Apple firmware installed, something that only changed when OS X came out. Want to connect your shiny Mac to this fancy new ethernet thing? Fuck you, buy our special dongles! By the time we got to the Powermac, you had to buy dongles if you didn't want to replace your monitor, and Apple would repeat this move a decade later with Apple Display Connector. Mini-VGA and Mini-DVI were also common on iBooks, PowerBooks, and MacBooks up until Apple started putting DisplayPort on Macbooks. Side note, apparently Mini-DisplayPort is also an Apple invention, but that at least got some traction outside of Apple.

There was this USB cable, designed specifically to prevent you from using non-Apple USB devices. FireWire may as well have been proprietary to Apple since they were the only company to ever include FireWire on their computers, and you only saw FireWire in the PC world if someone had a Sony camera - if you wanted digital video out of your camcorder, the only way to do it was through FireWire.

We could classify Thunderbolt the same way as well. If you wanted full gigabit ethernet on a Mac you had to buy Apple's special dongle because Apple refused to put a USB 3.0 port on the Mac until USB-C came out. Nowadays Thunderbolt 3 and 4 were rolled into the USB-C spec so I guess it's not as proprietary anymore? Back when Macbooks still had replaceable storage, sure, the interface was NVME but the connector was completely proprietary. That's why these adapters exist.

Special mention to the 30-pin dock connector. You'd think with the recent resurgence of old iPods that people would be making cool accessories for the 30-pin connector, right? I looked into it a while back - if you want to do anything more with the 30-pin connector besides transfer data and charge, good luck because the communications protocol is encrypted and nobody's ever leaked the spec or bothered to break the encryption. There's also the tiny little problem that you simply cannot buy the male connectors anymore. I looked high and low on every component distributor's website and even into the depths of AliExpress. Those connectors just don't exist anymore. And you can't just buy old USB cables to hack with because those are only pinned out for the four USB pins, not the full 30 pins the connector supports.

Man, that USB socket is a blast from the past. I have a bin somewhere full of those, all with a masking tape label reading APPLE.
One of the funnier products of Apple's various format wars is that Seagate used to make the data output BUS for their external HDDs swappable, so a user could have either a Firewire or USB 2.0 output if they swapped between Apple and non-Apple systems, which I frequently did as a teen.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Apparently Apple finally decided to stop pretending that you need a fucking M1 chip to have windowed apps on iPad, as if the older chips weren’t already way overpowered for anything you’d ever actually do on an iPad. What are some other arbitrary hardware “limitations” that they’ve walked back in software updates?

 

[TVB]

Apparently Apple finally decided to stop pretending that you need a fucking M1 chip to have windowed apps on iPad, as if the older chips weren’t already way overpowered for anything you’d ever actually do on an iPad. What are some other arbitrary hardware “limitations” that they’ve walked back in software updates?

Fucking hell, Apple

 

[ryuichi]

Apple, the overtly complicated, animal-kingdom naming OS of Windows
really, what is the difference between this and windows besides that? if you can't game without limitations on it, what good is it.
some apple-exclusive apps that isn't universal to windows by now?

 

[DoubleD]

In the latest of a long series of dick moves, Apple has made it so that the the thing that detects when the laptop lid is closed (which is normally so cheap to replace, repair shops just throw it in for free) can no longer be replaced unless a new one is cryptographically paired to the motherboard by approved Apple technicians. Now, only cucked repair shops are allowed to replace the sleep sensor, but those repair shops don't do board level repairs because why would they? They'd rather you just bought a new MacBook.

Man, fuck this company. If I wasn't already planning to upgrade away from Apple, I'd buy a Framework laptop just out of spite.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Not surprisingly, Apple has been dragged into USB-C and like a petty child, has decided to gimp the port unless you buy a proprietary apple cable for a open source standard adopted by the industry:

So you finally get a USB-C port... but it's slow as fuck. I know I'm a nog for having a Samsung, but my A51 atleast charges fast with whatever charger you throw at it, portable or wall mounted, with a cheap ass Onn cable.

 

[munggola planet]

Amiga dying

what do you mean? if by "dying" you mean not receiving updates then yeah, it would make sense. but if by "dying" you mean the amount of interest in amiga then no, the community is pretty much alive as it was back in the 80s and 90s.

 

[Fcret]

The failure of every other laptop manufacturer to produce a product that isn't cheap, flimsy horseshit with terrible battery life has forced my hand - I'm buying my first mac. Originally I bought a pangolin from S76 back in February but after multiple replacements that all had the same problems, I've opted to just get a refund and buy something else.

So what am I in for? I'm a loonixfag who mostly does programming. I know I can get Asahi if worst comes to worst, but I figured I'd give OS X a shot first since I am paying for it.

 

[Dangling Modifier]

The failure of every other laptop manufacturer to produce a product that isn't cheap, flimsy horseshit with terrible battery life has forced my hand - I'm buying my first mac. Originally I bought a pangolin from S76 back in February but after multiple replacements that all had the same problems, I've opted to just get a refund and buy something else.

So what am I in for? I'm a loonixfag who mostly does programming. I know I can get Asahi if worst comes to worst, but I figured I'd give OS X a shot first since I am paying for it.

it's like linups but made by people who are paid better

 

[Lone Wandering Courier]

The failure of every other laptop manufacturer to produce a product that isn't cheap, flimsy horseshit with terrible battery life has forced my hand - I'm buying my first mac. Originally I bought a pangolin from S76 back in February but after multiple replacements that all had the same problems, I've opted to just get a refund and buy something else.

So what am I in for? I'm a loonixfag who mostly does programming. I know I can get Asahi if worst comes to worst, but I figured I'd give OS X a shot first since I am paying for it.

Why not a framework laptop?