2024 UK general election - Place to watch and discuss just how fucked we are

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Lettuce has been shredded: Truss evicted from her safe seat. As ever she appeared to not comprehend the events unfolding around her. No doubt she will attempt to blame the 'deep state'
 
Boss Hawg said:
Idk to much of British politics, but I will say it is interesting to see what happens when a party's vote basically splits between establishment and populist. You get fucking blown out by the other side.
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That's pretty much the biggest problem with the current voting system. FPTP voting is too simple to work for a modern democracy. The rest of Europe have PR and and while it's not perfect, it's a whole lot better representation of people's votes than this shite.
 
Ly Erg said:
That's pretty much the biggest problem with the current voting system. FPTP voting is too simple to work for a modern democracy. The rest of Europe have PR and and while it's not perfect, it's a whole lot better representation of people's votes than this shite.
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It could kinda work (not saying it's necessarily better, our system absolutely has its own problems) if your MP districts weren't so granular and larger sections of the electorate were forced to group up and pick the worst poison collectively.
Most of my experience with American alternative voting systems like instant-runoff voting is that nobody wins besides the biggest lizard person possible and they go on to be totally useless in office. It's effectively a vote for the establishment, despite a majority being extremely dissatisfied with said establishment, they just can't agree on how best to fuck them.
 
Ly Erg said:
That's pretty much the biggest problem with the current voting system. FPTP voting is too simple to work for a modern democracy. The rest of Europe have PR and and while it's not perfect, it's a whole lot better representation of people's votes than this shite.
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I think PR would work better in Britain. I was watching the BBC bc fuck it I'm bored, and the LibDems gained massively without growing their vote share.

Just a side note bc I'm thinking of it, PR voting on the federal level in America would be fucking disastrous.
 
Justa Grata Honoria said:
Was it any shape or form different from now? Everytime i see article related about Britain is literally about one of those things.
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Wasn't immigration by non-White/non-European the highest its ever been under the Conservatives? I think it is possible that Labour might reduce immigration just to alleviate the burden on social programs.
 
Boss Hawg said:
Wasn't immigration by non-White/non-European the highest its ever been under the Conservatives? I think it is possible that Labour might reduce immigration just to alleviate the burden on social programs.
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lmao at the idea of Labour trying to reduce spending on the dole
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They're wearing red ties instead of blue this time.
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Building off of this, it might have been a bad enough showing for blue ties that they have to do some negotiating with light blue ties and we'll see where things are at ca. 2029.
Yes, Labour has 5 years now, hypothetically, to do whatever they want to the UK. Should make for a show for those of us fortunate enough to not live there.
 
I hate to blow the Kiwi trumpet on Kiwifarms, but MMP is the way to go.

Parliament seats are split in half: one half(ish) for local representatives, one half for party.
I get two votes: One for who speaks for my constituency, one for which party best represents my interests.
I now have a labour MP and conservative government. Sweet.

The tricky bit is getting the local uniparty to agree to that. Of course they fucking won't.
 
Dr J said:
4 or 5 is still an overperformance. They were projected to get about 1 or 2 seats, and pundits said it'd be a good night for Farage if they got 3 seats
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Not true at all, has been above 3 since Farage took over, with some polls going up to 7 seats. In terms of seats right within projection.

One projection from a few days ago, was between 4 and 7 seats. However voter % for them is down from the polls by 2%
 
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Justa Grata Honoria said:
Was it any shape or form different from now? Everytime i see article related about Britain is literally about one of those things.
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One of them this time looks like a teacher that touches up his stidents, and was part of the prosecution services that told the parents of rape gang victims, that their children (average age 11) had chosen to become prostitutes and were not victims. Er...oh, they might talk about nationalising trains?

Two biggest differences really. Keep in mind that the next largest part, got 14% of the entire population voting for them, but only 4 seats. Liberal democrats got 12% of the vote, but 71 seats.

The absolute state of fucked past the post can be seen below.
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A political solution to the problemms of the UK, there is not.
 
Vesperus said:
I hate to blow the Kiwi trumpet on Kiwifarms, but MMP is the way to go.

Parliament seats are split in half: one half(ish) for local representatives, one half for party.
I get two votes: One for who speaks for my constituency, one for which party best represents my interests.
I now have a labour MP and conservative government. Sweet.

The tricky bit is getting the local uniparty to agree to that. Of course they fucking won't.
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See this one I could see actually integrating into our system well, we have a bicameral legislature after all. Easy to split local reps from party reps.
Agreed that they'd never let this method hit our mainstream.
 
How is giving the keys to the kingdom to labor a win? I feel the right over there just got psi-oped.
 
Holy fuck Labour unseated in Blackburn for the first time since 1931. They had a 2019 majority of 18,000.

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Adnan ran on a platform of "muh gaza" and not much else.
 
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