2024 UK general election - Place to watch and discuss just how fucked we are

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Coccxys said:
Adnan ran on a platform of "muh gaza" and not much else as did Craig Murray.
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Brilliant, our alternative to Labour is Hamas.

I want to make a joke about how I'm not saying no but I am, I am saying no very firmly.
 
Well looks like the exit polls were a bit off for Reform. The official results in CSV form wont be up until next week I think. As soon as they are, I want to crunch some numbers and see how many seats wouldn't have gone to Labour if the Reform and Conservative votes were united rather than split. Unless that's already out there by some analyst which it might be. My eyeballing already suggests quite a few, though. I wonder what the conversations are in various Conservative HQs are right now.
 
Pleasing

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Bonus:

HERE COMES NIGEL

 
I decided to sleep instead of vote but it kinda went how I expected. If anything reform did worse than I anticipated. Great vote share but terrible seat gain considering. Such is how the system works.

I'm cautiously optimistic for Starmer as is such a boring cunt I can't see anything dramatic coming from him. He surely can't fuck it up more than the tories.

...Can he?
 
Overly Serious said:
I want to crunch some numbers and see how many seats wouldn't have gone to Labour if the Reform and Conservative votes were united rather than split.
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There are plenty of people that voted for one who'd never vote for the other so simply adding them together doesn't really mean anything. If the conservatives went more Conservative and got the media on soap box they would lose votes, and if Reform went full cuckservative no one would vote for them.

It's like all those people coping in 2019 that added together Labour, lib dem and green votes and then claimed they would have won rather than losing in a landslide, they're not the same party.

This was an unusual election for the fact the government was spanking away a large majority to give a larg majority to the other side, and that a new party swept in a instantly took >10% of the vote. If this repeats in the next election then there is a really strong case for PR, if we go back to the red vs blue business as usual because this was a one off protest then may as well keep FPTP.
 
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Vesperus said:
I hate to blow the Kiwi trumpet on Kiwifarms, but MMP is the way to go.

Parliament seats are split in half: one half(ish) for local representatives, one half for party.
I get two votes: One for who speaks for my constituency, one for which party best represents my interests.
I now have a labour MP and conservative government. Sweet.

The tricky bit is getting the local uniparty to agree to that. Of course they fucking won't.
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We have a modified MMP system called AMS which takes into account how many constituency seats were won by a party to calculate proportional seats. Basically the more a party takes the FPTP seats, the less chance it gets more from the closed list seats. Hence there have been smaller parties not doing the constituency seats and focusing on the closed list one.

It was supposed to be designed to prevent majority governments from parties not in the big three but the SNP won a majority back in 2011 so that idea went out the window.
 
Coccxys said:
There are plenty of people that voted for one who'd never vote for the other so simply adding them together doesn't really mean anything. If the conservatives went more Conservative and got the media on soap box they would lose votes, and if Reform went full cuckservative no one would vote for them.

It's like all those people coping in 2019 that added together Labour, lib dem and green votes and then claimed they would have won rather than losing in a landslide, they're not the same party.

This was an unusual election for the fact the government was spanking away a large majority to give a larg majority to the other side, and that a new party swept in a instantly took >10% of the vote. If this repeats in the next election then there is a really strong case for PR, if we go back to the red vs blue business as usual because this was a one off protest then may as well keep FPTP.
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You make valid points. But I wonder how many people would have put Conservatives as their alternative to Reform and vice versa if we'd gone ahead with the alternative vote system that there was a referendum on in 2011. Quite a high number I imagine as both would mostly (I think) prefer the other to Labour or Lib Dems.
 
Vesperus said:
I hate to blow the Kiwi trumpet on Kiwifarms, but MMP is the way to go.

Parliament seats are split in half: one half(ish) for local representatives, one half for party.
I get two votes: One for who speaks for my constituency, one for which party best represents my interests.
I now have a labour MP and conservative government. Sweet.

The tricky bit is getting the local uniparty to agree to that. Of course they fucking won't.
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What is the point of that? There are already regional councils that are supposed to handle local affairs. The role of an MP is to determine policy at the national level.

Having two houses is a good thing, but that is accomplished currently by the House of Lords.
 
May this guy finally bring
TOTAL ANGLOID DEATH

Aside from that, I find it very funny that any "serious country" would use a FPTP voting system. Lol, lmao even
 
Overly Serious said:
What is the point of that? There are already regional councils that are supposed to handle local affairs. The role of an MP is to determine policy at the national level.
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As a side thought, I wonder what the end result would be if the constituency vote was only local independents and the closed list was party only.

Wouldn't be perfect though since parties could fund and lobby a independent's campaign and policies behind the scenes.

Kikemaster said:
Aside from that, I find it very funny that any "serious country" would use a FPTP voting system. Lol, lmao even
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I'm always reminded when the Tories tried to keep fptp by giving reasons why PR is bad with one of them saying it's too complicated for voters.

If certain Voters can't count from 1 to 10 than they shouldn't vote period.
 
Hopefully this will be the death of the old boomer faggot "Conservative" party and an actual right wing party will fill the space.

Kier Starmer, despite being jew-owned, at least got rid of that dizzy cunt Diane Abbott so maybe he won't be a complete retard like his predecessors.
 
Morethanabitfoolish said:
Brilliant, our alternative to Labour is Hamas.

I want to make a joke about how I'm not saying no but I am, I am saying no very firmly.
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Though he has some based points on his election flyer.

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BrainProlapse said:
Kier Starmer, despite being jew-owned, at least got rid of that dizzy cunt Diane Abbott
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He bowed to internal pressures and cries of muh racism so reinstated her just before the election. She is part of the ruling party, and has some back bench support from the race grifting wing of the Labour Party.

The OK side to a massive majority is they're less beholden to the crazies, since 50 Labour MPs could revolt and Labour still win.

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Ly Erg said:
That's pretty much the biggest problem with the current voting system. FPTP voting is too simple to work for a modern democracy. The rest of Europe have PR and and while it's not perfect, it's a whole lot better representation of people's votes than this shite.
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Reform UK got more votes than the Lib Dems but only gained 4 seats compared to the Lib Dem's 59 new seats. Reform also got twice as many votes as the pozzed Greens but now have the same number of seats. That's bonkers.

I just hope Keir Starmer is half as based as all my libtard friends melting down seem to think he is. TERF Island must retain its title.
 
I tried to stay up late to see the results come in but this was so boring and predictable to sit through that I didn't bother. Were basically in for 5 years of arguing between Neo libs, socialists and Muslims on the best way to import more brown people. Nothing different to what the Tories were doing, only faster.
 
Oliver Onions said:
I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Reform UK got more votes than the Lib Dems but only gained 4 seats compared to the Lib Dem's 59 new seats. Reform also got twice as many votes as the pozzed Greens but now have the same number of seats. That's bonkers.
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National wide support vs concentrated support.

Where Labour is the major party lib dems get very low vote share (and vice versa) from a combination of tactical voting and an understanding between the party's not to go hard against eachother lest the torys win the seat by splitting the vote.

Same with the greens. Where they win they get large vote share, then usually lose their deposits everywhere else.

Meanwhile Reform did amazingly in safe Labour seats to come usually a distant 2nd. While in seats they had a chance of winning they did much worse. It lends credence to them just being a protest vote where it didn't matter, but people being less willing to vote them where they might actually be their MP.

If we had PR it's hard to tell if more would have voted Reform (not a wasted vote) or less (now it actually counts its not just a protest).
 
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