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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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I don't think that the "resistance" that you're thinking of would really be that strong, the most resistance you're going to get realistically are from internal forces (i.e. civil service and other government stuff of the like) and the ngo groups / individuals that help the muds, both of which can realistically (where the individuals might be more of a pain it's not impossible) be dealt with, most of the pakis aren't going to start holding brits hostage and going full civil war over being deported (maybe if you started to go full wipe em' out 1944 but even then I suspect that the response won't be that strong) either.

While it's true that there would be people who would start hiding the muds it's not like we can't deal with that either whether it be in their homes or university, we are not bound to any constitution, parliament can do whatever parliament wants, Bills that would allow unis to be temporarily closed or occupied by forces and people helping the muds to be imprisoned or shot dead could be passed providing that we go back on a few things.

The biggest problem is with internal groups and a lack of will to do what has to be done, you (or maybe it was someone else?) brought up both Trump and Meloni. Frankly, I don't believe that either wants to properly get rid of the immigays nor do I think that either of them understand the actual problem / severity of the problem so I don't really see why you would bring them up (and as I said before, parliament can do whatever parliament wants, we have a lack of will problem not a "it just can never ever ever happen" problem).

Basically with what @Chunky Salsa alluded to, get your hand off your dick this ain't hoi4 nigga.
 
They also can't conceive of the idea of a native brit cooking ethnic food to begin with, because that's cultural appropriation in their minds, and consequently bad. It's not a law of the universe that a kebab has to be handled by a turk in order to be authentic. If Gordon Ramsey can cook italian food, if the Nando's in Stirling can staffed entirely by white scots, the the Brown Rajhamal at the back end of Gropecunt lane can be run by Big Baz without issue.
My pasty white father was the one to teach me how to cook Chinese and "Mexican" (none of that authentic unrefrigerated meat or uncovered salsa in my house) cuisine, so hey, if we Americans can do it, you Brits certainly can.
 
Restore wiped the floor with both the Tories and Labour in Great Yarmouth like 3 days ago, what are you talking about?

Do you mean when he was kicked out of Reform? Because that was a year ago.
Sorry I've been out of the loop.
 
Why has this thread turned into race war general lol

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I don't like Farage on a good day, his politics are essentially a more fiscally conservative Boris Johnson and he's (publicly) more hardline on immigration but anyone genuinely complaining about this are fucking neeks. Politics by it's very nature is a popularity contest, to get into power you need to be likeable and he is amazing at that. All the pub visits and now this give him the persona of a cheeky uncle who says politically incorrect things but is a hard worker and someone good to have a pint with.

He did a similar thing with Ipswich town recently and they've just been promoted to the premier league (not saying they are connected it just makes this post even funnier)

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Slopulism serves a genuine purpose of getting the masses interested in politics, he has only been an MP for 2 years at this point but the wider public definitely knew about him way before that because of his boisterous publicity stunts. I completely understand the restore people for wanting an actual right wing alternative to the conservatives but a party that is at least publicly more harsh on immigration is preferable to one that openly states that they want open borders.


Dreadful slop the writers have the same understanding of politics as a 16 year old in their first year of doing a politics a-level. It also isn't news they posted this on the sky news account because it airs on sky and I would imagine the ratings are dreadful.
 
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I heard that Wellesley, Lord Wellington, has landed on the Iberian peninsula and is going to really stick it to the Corsican ogre.
Do we get another series of Sharpe? I’m all for it ..,
It will be interesting to see how restore manage Great Yarmouth. It’s a good strategy, to take an area and then focus on making it better (god forbid politicians do that!) if they can succeed in making it a bit better, people will notice and want it for their areas.
 
I still think the funniest part of the locals is that there's a bunch of closeted Reform voters pretending to be Greens so they shit on Starmer.

It makes sense, when a large subsection of wet leftists are saying "just kill yourself if you're voting Reform" it makes sense to go "Actually I'm on the side of trans rights, not Labour"
 
My pasty white father was the one to teach me how to cook Chinese and "Mexican" (none of that authentic unrefrigerated meat or uncovered salsa in my house) cuisine, so hey, if we Americans can do it, you Brits certainly can.
Having eaten actual Mexican food in a restaurant run by actual Mexicans, I can say hand on heart that I would rather eat in British chain Las Iguanas every time. We (British) put our own takes on food and most of our "ethnic" food isn't exactly like it would be in the native lands in the first place.

We take Mexican food and make it less greasy.
We take Indian food and make it with better ingredients.
We take French food and serve it in portions that don't leave us feeling starving.
We take Chinese food and make it without the pangolins.
We take Japanese food and swap out their strange desserts with things that don't confuse us.
We take Scandinavian food and look at it suspiciously before politely moving it around on our plate and saying "No, that was plenty, I'm finished".

In essence, even if the argument of losing the food weren't idiotic, our food is usually some evolution of the original. And that's fine. Those pushing this line think it's some gotcha that catches people in a moment of hypocrisy. But I can have dinner round someone's house - i.e. appreciate their cooking - without wanting them to move in with me. One can even like a people generally without wanting their mostly underclass and criminals sections of their population dumped in my country.

Ultimately the argument makes sense to them because they are racist and see DNA and culture intertwined. That poor White woman in America who lost her noodle bar because she wasn't "Asian" and the Progressives set upon her? That's their mentality. Trump's "they aren't sending their best" drove them crazy because it treated Mexicans as a set of people with good and bad members, rather than Mexicans™ as an identity block that must be viewed as A or B.

Slopulism serves a genuine purpose of getting the masses interested in politics, he has only been an MP for 2 years at this point but the wider public definitely knew about him way before that because of his boisterous publicity stunts. I completely understand the restore people for wanting an actual right wing alternative to the conservatives but a party that is at least publicly more harsh on immigration is preferable to one that openly states that they want open borders.
This may be so, but... it is also what facilitates Lizard politics and enables the Establishment to redirect genuine desire for action to useless ends by deploying superficial signalling. Farage has a pint in a pub, he scoffs at "Woke" stuff. Look lads - he's one of the boys! Or you get Ben Shapiro types who will rattle off a list of Conservative talking points just so he can throw in "and of course we support Israel" at the end. Hell, I see it on more US-focused threads here where someone will throw in "browns" and "muslims" as keywords on top of their otherwise globalist posts to get some updoots from the Pavlovian Nationalist posters and cast people who disagree with them as 'you're not as racist as me so you look weak' positions.

Does slopulism get additional numbers turning out to vote? You're probably right and it does. But those are the sort of voters who will vote for whoever signals their slopulism most effectively rather than whoever best represents their interests.

Also, I am filing away "Pavlovian Nationalists". That's a thing that needed a name.
 
Going to do a quick Greens rundown, the JK pointed out one of their candidates is a fun one and the Torygraph pointed out another.

The immigrant they gave the job to help with visa status.
One of the new Scottish Green MSPs will have to renew their visa while sitting at Holyrood.
Q Manivannan, who is originally from India, is in the UK on a student visa and is entitled to stand as an MSP due to recent changes to eligibility rules.
The co-leader of the Scottish Greens, Gillian Mackay, told BBC Scotland's The Sunday Show that a new visa application was a process that Manivannan would have to complete over the session of parliament.
Mackay said she did not think that obtaining a visa would be a problem and that the party would be supporting them in any way possible.

The BBC understands that the Scottish Greens are confident that the MSP salary Manivannan will be entitled to - just below £80,000 - will make obtaining a new visa more straightforward.
Manivannan uses they/them pronouns and describes themselves as a "queer Tamil immigrant".
They were elected on Friday as a list MSP for Edinburgh and Lothians East and are one of two trans MSPs elected to the Scottish Parliament. They both represent the Scottish Greens.
If a list candidate stands down or leaves Holyrood, the next candidate on the list takes their seat - it does not trigger a by-election.

The one who fantasised about the Queen's death.
A new Green MSP previously posted online that they could not wait for the late Queen Elizabeth II to “kick the bucket”, it has emerged.
Iris Duane, a biological male who uses she/her pronouns, referred to the late Queen as “big lizard Lizzie” in a social media post in January 2022.
The Tories and Reform UK have said the comments, made seven months before the late Queen died at Balmoral Castle, aged 96, were “abhorrent”.
Duane, who was elected as a Glasgow MSP on Friday, wrote: “I cannot wait till big lizard Lizzie kicks the bucket, not because she’s dead but because of the absolute meltdown it will cause the British consciousness.”

The Scottish Greens said the tweet was “intended as a joke” and had since been deleted.
The controversy came after it emerged a second newly elected trans Green MSP does not have a permanent visa to work in the UK.
Q Manivannan, an Indian immigrant who identifies as non-binary, was elected as an MSP on the Edinburgh & Lothians East list.
The former PhD student has appealed to colleagues for £2,089 of funding for a temporary graduate visa that would allow them to work as an MSP.
Gillian Mackay, the Scottish Greens’ co-leader, confirmed on Sunday that Manivannan’s visa would have to be renewed for them to serve in the £77,711-a-year job for the next five years.
The disclosures came in the wake of last week’s Holyrood election, in which the pro-independence Greens won a record-high 15 MSPs.
With the SNP falling short of a majority, they are hoping to have a major influence over the governance of Scotland even if there is no second coalition between the two parties.

Duane was elected an MSP on Friday under Holyrood’s complicated electoral system, which assigns 56 of the Scottish Parliament’s 129 seats to parties using a type of proportional representation.
The Scottish Greens won two seats in Glasgow, with Duane getting the other seat.
Murdo Fraser, a Scottish Tory MSP, said of the resurfaced tweet: “Her late Majesty devoted her life to public service and was admired in Scotland and around the world for doing so.
“These disgraceful comments from this newly elected Green MSP are deeply offensive and disrespectful.
“Most Scots will find them abhorrent, and the Republican-backing Scottish Greens should make it clear whether they condemn them unequivocally.”
A Reform UK spokesman added: “These are appalling and deeply disrespectful comments.
“Wishing death upon Her late Majesty, especially during a period of declining health, is beyond the bounds of decency and reflects extremely poor judgment. Duane should issue a full apology, as should the Scottish Greens for fronting the candidate.”
A Scottish Greens spokesman said: “It was intended as a joke when it was made years ago and ahead of the Queen’s death. It has been deleted.”
Manivannan was elected on the Edinburgh & Lothians East list using the same proportional representation system.
The self-described “queer Tamil immigrant” was only able to stand in the election after SNP ministers loosened the rules on who could be a Holyrood candidate.
Foreigners could previously only become an MSP if they had indefinite leave to remain in the UK.
Last year, the SNP government introduced legislation that meant they could qualify if they had leave of any type, such as a short-term study visa.
Manivannan moved to Scotland in 2021 to pursue a PhD in international relations at the University of St Andrews.
It is understood that the anthropologist and poet has appealed to colleagues for £2,089 of funding for a temporary graduate visa, which would allow them to work in the UK for a further three years.
Manivannan is said to have told colleagues this would help buy time to save up the £5,047 cost of applying for a global talent visa, the UK immigration category for promising individuals in specific sectors.
Asked to clarify whether the MSP would be able to serve a full five-year term at Holyrood, Ms Mackay told BBC Scotland’s Sunday Show: “So there will have to be a renewal of Q’s visa.
“The parliament specifically passed legislation to allow people like Q to be able to stand and be MSPs. That’s a process that they’ll have to complete over the session of parliament.”
Pressed whether there was a risk that the Home Office could reject Manivannan’s application and they could be forced to stand down, she said: “I don’t think it’s likely that that will happen.
“But it is a process that will have to be completed over the session of parliament and anything we can do to support Q through that they will.”

And Polanski admitting he never worked for the Ministry of Justice despite claiming otherwise.
Zack Polanski falsely claimed to have worked at the Ministry of Justice while campaigning for elected office, The Telegraph can reveal.
The Green Party leader said on his official campaign website in 2020 that he was “currently working at the Ministry of Justice on their training & diversity programmes”.
The Telegraph, however, understands that the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) has no record of Mr Polanski ever working for the department.
When asked about the claim, a spokesman for Mr Polanski said he had worked for the “justice assessment committee”, which he described as “a programme to improve the diversity of justice appointments based in the MoJ”.
This committee does not exist. The only known public reference to a “justice assessment committee” appears to be a comment made by Mr Polanski himself during a City Hall meeting in 2024.

When challenged over the discrepancies, the Green Party leader eventually admitted that, rather than working at the Ministry of Justice, he had been hired through an agency that supplied actors for role-play scenarios to a quango responsible for interviewing would-be judges.
As part of the recruitment process, judicial candidates take part in mock courtroom exercises in which actors play criminals, prison guards and lawyers.
Kreate, the agency Mr Polanski was signed up to, supplied those actors. Kreate, which also provides actors and dancers for PR stunts and “high profile events”, describes its actors as a “diverse bunch of lovelies from all walks of life”.
It says the work is “not a permanent position” but “ad hoc”, and suitable for those “looking to supplement another income”.
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Since entering politics six years ago, Mr Polanski has faced repeated scrutiny over a colourful career history that included work as a minor actor and part-time hypnotherapist.
In particular, he has sought to distance himself from a 2013 claim that he could increase a woman’s breast size using the power of his mind.
On Friday, the Greens’ leader declared two-party politics “dead” after his party made historic gains across inner London and university cities. The victories, however, which included seizing four local authorities and two mayoralties, fell short of the predicted “green wave” and came after he was forced to correct previous claims about his career history.
On the eve of the local elections, Mr Polanski admitted that, despite repeatedly claiming otherwise while campaigning for elected office, he had never in fact been a “spokesperson” for the British Red Cross.
He is also facing questions over his council tax affairs after evidence emerged suggesting he had spent the past three years living, at least part-time, on a narrowboat moored in a non-residential marina in Hackney.
Inaccurate claims about MoJ work
Mr Polanski’s initial explanation to The Telegraph about his work in the justice department was that he had worked at the fictional “justice assessment committee”, which he insisted was “within the MoJ”.
This was not the first time he had made such a claim. In 2024, while speaking at a meeting at City Hall, the Green Party leader said his work “at the justice assessment committee” had helped him understand the importance of appointing open-minded judges.

Giving an example, Mr Polanski suggested that judges should consider that someone “who raises their voice in one culture, may not be being aggressive”.
When The Telegraph put a series of questions to the Green Party leader about the fact that he had never worked at the MoJ, that the committee he claimed to work for did not exist, and that he therefore never worked on the department’s “training & diversity programmes”, Mr Polanski’s spokesman appeared to concede that his previous statements about his work in the criminal justice sector were inaccurate.
They clarified that the Green Party leader had actually been hired by Kreate, a third-party agency that describes itself as an “experiential activation and event staffing agency” which supplies actors for role-play scenarios to the Judicial Appointments Commission (JAC), a non-departmental body.

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Mr Polanski said he was ‘currently working at the Ministry of Justice on their training and diversity programmes’
As part of the JAC’s recruitment process, candidates take part in “a simulation of a court, tribunal or similar setting, based on a scenario they may encounter as a judge”.
The quango’s website states that “parties in the scenario are played by professional actors”, and it appears this was the role Mr Polanski fulfilled
The JAC was established in 2006. Although sponsored by the MoJ, which provided £10.29m in funding in 2024-2025, it operates independently and its employees are not employed by the department.
Mr Polanski’s spokesman said his work for the JAC was covered by a non-disclosure agreement, which prevented him from divulging further details.
On Sunday, a source close to the Green leader said that he is “a real world person who has had many jobs that have helped shape his politics”.
On his website in 2020, Mr Polanski described holding down a diverse range of jobs.
“For the last 10 years I’ve fully immersed myself in the capital’s job economy,” he wrote. “I’ve worked as an actor, a teacher, counsellor and trainer in schools, universities, mental health services and prisons.”
The Telegraph reported this week that Mr Polanski’s acting career included featuring in B-movies as a crack-cocaine-smoking prisoner, a struggling artist and a college prankster. His spokesman added that he also performed Shakespeare.

They also explained that he taught in drama schools, and that his work as a “trainer in schools” consisted of working for an organisation “that would help secondary school students revise for GCSE exams and wellbeing along with providing mental health support”.
Queries about prison work
His work in HM Prison Service was via a third party, and Mr Polanski “worked in a prison in the South East and then in London, doing acting roleplay and training for new prison officers”.
Asked which third-party organisation this was, his spokesman declined to provide details.
Mr Polanski also provided counselling services to students learning circus tricks.

A National Centre for Circus Arts pamphlet stated: “Student Counselling is provided by Zack Polanski” and described him as “a cognitive hypnotherapist and NLP [neuro linguistic programming] practitioner”.
The leaflet, which the centre removed from its website after being approached by The Telegraph, stated that he worked “extensively with performing artists in London” and offered therapy sessions to students at the college.
By his own admission, Mr Polanski has had a varied career history
By his own admission, Mr Polanski has had a varied career history

The Association for Neuro Linguistic Programming (ANLP), a professional body promoting standards in the largely unregulated industry, said it had “no record” of Mr Polanski being a member or holding an ANLP-recognised qualification.
Karen Falconer, the organisation’s chief executive, told The Telegraph: “Having checked our records, we can confirm that Zack Polanski was never a member of ANLP.”
The organisation noted that NLP is unregulated and individuals may describe themselves as practitioners without belonging to a professional body.

Hypnotherapy boasts
Questions have also been raised about Mr Polanski’s work as a hypnotherapist.
Before entering politics, he worked from the Lewis Clinic in Harley Street, central London. In 2013, he appeared in a Sun newspaper feature in which he attempted to enlarge a female reporter’s breasts using hypnotherapy.
Since entering the Green Party leadership race, Mr Polanski has insisted he “never believed” he could enlarge a woman’s breasts in this way and was never paid to try.
In March, however, The Telegraph revealed that he had previously boasted the breast-enlarging hypnotherapy had brought him more business, including requests from men seeking larger penises.

On Tuesday, The Times revealed that Mr Polanski was never a full member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy, despite claiming that status while working as a hypnotherapist.
On his website, he used the letters “MNCH” after his name, meaning “member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy”, and told prospective clients: “I am a member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy, and abide by their strict code of conduct and ethics of good practice and their public protection policies.”
However, although he was a student member until qualifying, he was never a full member.

Council tax questions
The scrutiny of his career history comes as he also faces questions over his council tax arrangements after The Times uncovered an advert placed by his partner offering to sell their narrowboat, moored in Hackney, for £100,000.
The advert, which has since been removed, stated: “Olympian has been our amazing home in the peace and quiet of Springfield Marina on the River Lea for 3 years. We are moving to a house and so will sadly be leaving the gorgeous community behind.”
The listing prompted questions because the marina is non-residential, meaning Mr Polanski could not legally live there full-time or pay council tax there. Despite the advert describing the boat as their “amazing home”, a spokesman for Mr Polanski insisted he only “occasionally” stayed there.

Residents said they regularly saw Mr Polanski in the area.
One café worker said the politician had told a colleague he “lives in the boats”, while a launderette owner described collecting and washing the couple’s laundry over a two-year period between 2023 and September 2025.
A server at Springfield Park café said: “He comes in here every week, not every day.
“He is so nice and happy. He is vegan. He lives near here with his boyfriend.
“He lives in the boats, he told my friend. I think he still lives here, in the area.”
Syed Shami, whose launderette is just over a mile from the marina, said he washed clothes for Mr Polanski and his partner roughly once a month from 2023 until last September.
Mr Polanski has also admitted using a building next to the marina as a postal address.
Asked whether Mr Polanski had paid council tax over the past three years, and where it had been paid, a Green Party spokesman said: “Zack’s council tax is included in the rent he pays his landlord.”
It is understood that Mr Polanski’s position is that his main residence for the past three years was a separate rented property.

Having eaten actual Mexican food in a restaurant run by actual Mexicans, I can say hand on heart that I would rather eat in British chain Las Iguanas every time. We (British) put our own takes on food and most of our "ethnic" food isn't exactly like it would be in the native lands in the first place.
Pretty certain I've brought this one up before but I've worked with Muslims who've visited their parent's home countries and openly stated they did not trust any of the "halal" food over there was to the same standard as here.

Granted this was when two of them were discussing voting for Reform and and stating their fondness for Trump while their white female colleagues around them had a touch of the vapours. So some of that might have been a piss take.
 
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Does slopulism get additional numbers turning out to vote? You're probably right and it does. But those are the sort of voters who will vote for whoever signals their slopulism most effectively rather than whoever best represents their interests.
Rainbow react me if you want but I would like to believe that any shifting of the overton window is broadly a good thing. I don't think reform will do anything near what they're saying about immigration because:

  1. I don't think they'll get a majority in parliament, most polls are saying this and while there is a lot of momentum for them at the moment there's an equal if not larger share of the electorate who will do anything to keep them out of government so they'll struggle to do any actual reforming (kek)
  2. Their entire fiscal policy necessitates importing cheap foreign labour (when the lefty types say "The yookay needs immigration" this is what they actually mean, they're just too retarded to realise they're defending the interests of the billionaires they go into psychosis over)
I don't think Reform will do anything immediately when they get in to reverse the ongoing rot because they don't want to. My overall point was that any shift from the current hellish situation is broadly a positive thing and getting the masses even slightly more politically engaged is a good thing. Maybe I should expect more from a government in waiting that's why I'll never fully rag on the restore lot.
 
Labour talking about a leadership contest is like if you shit your pants, and go home and change your shirt.

There's councils in Norf FC that haven't returned a single Labour councillor. Not one. Of especial interest is Kirklees, where Harold Wilson was from. Not a single Labour councillor has been voted in.

If people don't trust Labour to fix potholes and empty the bins, how can it be argued people trust them to run the country?
 
@Pat Mustard Again, you make valid points that I don't wholly disagree with factually. But I do think the biggest issue in Western politics for sometime now has been "Lizard Politics" and that this Slopulism is a factor in perpetuating this. By "Lizard Politics" I'm referencing Douglas Adams. In So Long and Thanks for All the Fish.

"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"


We're trapped in local maxima (or minima). It's like we're at the top of a hill and it's not a particularly high hill and the views aren't great. In fact, we can see a much higher hill nearby but we can't get to the top of it because to do so would require us to go down a bit first. That's a local maxima and life is full of them. That's what our consciousness does for us and what gives us an advantage over most animals. We can recognise that the path to somewhere isn't always direct line, that a short-term algorithm for behaviour sometimes has to be suppressed in favour of a long-term one. Or rather... we can do that as individuals. The moment you scale it up to large groups the ability seems to vanish. And so whilst many of us would like to see a human being put in charge, it doesn't happen, because too many people panic and declare that if we try it, the wrong lizard might get in.

A Reform government is a local maxima. It is better than a Green government. But once in power they will do everything they can to make it impossible to reverse and try to suppress the biggest political threat to them which is.... Restore. You thought I was going to say the Greens were the biggest threat to them? Not even close -the Greens are mere opposition. As are Labour. Few Reform voters will grow disillusioned with Reform and jump ship to the Greens. In fact, the more lunatic the Greens are, the more useful they are to Reform as the cost of going down the hill gets worse and worse. Whilst Restore is the hill next door. If Reform are king of the hill, they don't want people moving to another hill.

I think that's enough poetic and literary and mathematical analogies for today, anyway. Farage is to me, simply the wrong lizard. Some species of reptile if I look at him, anyway.
 
I think that's enough poetic and literary and mathematical analogies for today, anyway. Farage is to me, simply the wrong lizard.
You make some very good points but I think in a potential reform government while restore would be heavily scrutinised and slandered by the BBC and other media outlets, they will at least be in the public conversation and that'll give them the exposure they need to actually start getting some tangible victories. Reform get shat on by everyone from major news outlets to every retard with a substack and a 2:2 PPE degree and they're still leading in the polls. I would at least like to think restore could be in a similar position in the future.

Also I started watching UFO because of ur pfp. kino.

British Steel to be nationalised. This is a good thing and should have happened years ago before we lost so much production capacity.
Just saw the press conference it ought to have been done when the last one was at risk of shutting down sometime last year

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How long as he got left? Run to the bookies while you still can.

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The reason why brexit was so disastrous (relatively speaking) was because the government in charge of seeing it through were Remainers. Johnson was the most pro brexit PM since the referendum and he only became PM in 2019, 3 years after the vote. Before that Cameron and May were very publicly remainers.
 
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Catherine West has bottled her challenge and is instead now trying to gin up support for the orderly transition.

So it's Streeting today or Burnham when\if he gets back into the Commons.
 
The reason why brexit was so disastrous (relatively speaking) was because the government in charge of seeing it through were Remainers. Johnson was the most pro brexit PM since the referendum and he only became PM in 2019, 3 years after the vote. Before that Cameron and May were very publicly remainers.

What was disastrous about Brexit and how would the outcome have been different had a pro Brexit person been prime minister between the referendum and leaving the EU?
 
And Polanski admitting he never worked for the Ministry of Justice despite claiming otherwise.
When challenged over the discrepancies, the Green Party leader eventually admitted that, rather than working at the Ministry of Justice, he had been hired through an agency that supplied actors for role-play scenarios to a quango responsible for interviewing would-be judges.
We're in a monty python sketch.



Catherine West has bottled her challenge and is instead now trying to gin up support for the orderly transition.

So it's Streeting today or Burnham when\if he gets back into the Commons.
I did suspect she might be a stalking horse rather than a genuine challenger.
 
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