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Have the current people in charge of the franchise got something against video games ?

I know there's freemium shit for phones , but nothing like some of the gems of the past : Crossroads of Time , Elite Force , Legacy , The Fallen etc etc
They make more money whoring out the name to shitty freemium games with the fraction of the effort it would take to develop a decent game.
A bit like how it was cheaper for them and required less effort to whore out the name to Alex Kurtzman to shit out the utter tripe that has effectively ruined Star Trek.
 
I'm glad we never got housetrained Klingons. They're a traditionalist, chauvinist, dramatic and aggressively expansionist culture so joining the bland, politically correct, watercolored Federation makes no sense and probably wouldn't be very interesting.

What are they supposed to do? Not kill their superiors for career advancement?
The Klingon Empire could have joined the Federation without losing their balls... Hell, I'd argue that they ended up losing their balls more under Gowron than they likely would have if they'd just joined the Federation in the first place, mostly because Gowron was a fucking pussy, especially by Klingon standards.

The Federation is kind of like the UN all things considered, they don't really stop their individual members from being shitty to their own people- just so long as they aren't shitty to other members.
 
I went to the LA Comic Con for Nichelle's farewell tour. I was a little worried because of the manager who had apparently been exploiting her. I didn't want to contribute to elder abuse, hauling some sick old lady out of her home to make someone else rich. Honestly, I thought she had retired from public appearances years ago. But they were making a big deal about it being her last appearance, and that doesn't seem like the kind of thing someone would do if they were intent on exploiting her. And I think I read the family had booted out the manager, and her dementia had been exaggerated or hadn't really progressed since the initial diagnosis. So if she wanted to do one last appearance, or if they just needed the money, I figured why not.

Although I didn't do a photo op, I saw a number of photos and Nichelle was smiling brightly, which I imagine is something actors do on cue anyway and didn't read much into it. They were on a bridge set, which I thought was cheesy but in retrospect it's a good way to socially distance a vulnerable person and make it look like they're having fun together. I did get an autograph. She had an individual autograph room and several members of her family were present, with her son sitting next to her. When it was my turn to get an autograph I thought her decline was evident, though some of that might have been difficulty communicating through masks. If she has any hearing loss or a weak voice, those things don't help. Though she can still write her name legibly, which is more than I can say for Shatner.

Thank you for reading my report.
 
I think the difference between nu Trek and classic trek is that nu trek practically drips with contempt for both Star Trek and its audience. The first time I really felt this was the Voyager series. I watched the premier and first few episodes live when they came out. It seemed like I was being lectured to about what I ought to like, with no thought given to what I might actually like, nor did it seem like anyone involved liked what they were making. They sort of pulled it out of its tailspin and made some good episodes eventually, but S1 of Voyager is probably where nu Trek was born.

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I didn't feel that way about the first two Abrams movies. Yes, there was some goofy bullshit, but I survived the utter nonsense of Genesis Device (II & III), Blue Lightning Jehovah (V), and the Portal to Eternal Christmas (Generations), and it's pretty obvious Abrams isn't a Trekkie, but I felt like at the bottom of it was somebody making a movie he wanted to make, that he enjoyed making, taking a few chances here and there, and making something that he thought I would like, with an on-screen ensemble with some decent charisma. It had more in common with what I liked about Star Trek to begin with---I started with TOS---than what I hated about Voyager. So I could appreciate the movies despite their flaws.

Discovery is everything bad about Voyager with the pedal mashed to the floor. Nobody cast Shaniqua Martin-Green because she actually had the acting chops to play a space submarine captain. The Klingons weren't changed into space wignats because it makes for anything resembling good storytelling. But I guess enough people are watching it for CBS to keep making it, so I'm old and dumb and nobody needs to care what I like.
 
Thank you for reading my report.
It's good to hear that her family is involved and taking care of her.

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There are videos of someone trying to go close to her, claiming that it's an old friend, and getting removed and twitter loonies are already saying "free nichole".
 
This is not mine, just the top search result in YouTube:


The bald guy is her son Kyle. He's the one who was sitting next to her at the autograph table. He's been in the news recently for some decisions he made regarding her property and living arrangements, but I think he probably did the right thing.
 
This is also not mine
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I just felt like posting it

This is not mine, just the top search result in YouTube:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HY9zRNuxABI
The bald guy is her son Kyle. He's the one who was sitting next to her at the autograph table. He's been in the news recently for some decisions he made regarding her property and living arrangements, but I think he probably did the right thing.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand my amusment at edgy tuvix memes is now gone as this talk about Nichols being elder abused genuinely makes me sad.
 
We might actually see Shatner be the last man standing of all things.
In all seriousness though, for her age and all the shit she's had to deal with, she doesn't look too bad, thankfully. Aged, but not a complete senile disaster.
 
We might actually see Shatner be the last man standing of all things.
In all seriousness though, for her age and all the shit she's had to deal with, she doesn't look too bad, thankfully. Aged, but not a complete senile disaster.
Fat as Shatner is, he's led a pretty active life. Could just be fat genes.
 
Abrams isn't a Trekkie, but I felt like at the bottom of it was somebody making a movie he wanted to make, that he enjoyed making, taking a few chances here and there, and making something that he thought I would like, with an on-screen ensemble with some decent charisma.

Eh. Kinda feels like how the Star Wars prequels were retrospectively 'redeemed' by how shitty the nu Wars movies were. (And the prequels weren't good movies, but the last two were a lot more entertaining than either of the JJ Treks)

JJ Abrams is a hack fraud whose undoubted talent on the small screen (he's no Vince Gilligan but Lost was good until it ran out of tantalizing mysteries and character flashbacks worth caring about) never translated to motion pictures. Star Track 2009 was a minimum viable product movie. It was reasonably entertaining content, slickly delivered for a younger and broader audience. But also dumb, generic and forgettable, like a Fast and Furious movie. Would've served as an acceptable introduction to the new franchise if a better director and writers had then taken over instead of the (awful) sequel we got. And the exact same thing happened with his Wars reboot, tho it's not his fault Rian Johnson exists.

I didn't dislike it, but there wasn't much charisma on screen and the cast weren't to blame. Pine, Sylar, Saldana, Pegg and Urban are watchable actors, but spent most of the movie running or doing big dumb EMOTIONS on each other, if you could see them at all behind the obnoxious migraine lensflares that made it look like an Eastern European techno music vid from 1999. Scotty was comic relief in the TOS movies, so they went with that approach in the JJverse. Unfortunately Pegg's Scotty was more cringe than funny- probably the script's fault, but then his wide-eyed over-caffeinated mugging hasn't been funny since Shaun of the Dead (2004). Hot Fuzz was great, but he played the straight man there.

The plot was retarded, the bad guy was boring (Eric Banana is a sleep aid pretending to be a movie star), and Real Spock showing up to deliver lame exposition and some of the dumbest science in Trek just reminded me that The Voyage Home was so much better.

But I'll agree with this: JJ didn't seem to hate the audience. He just wanted to give them a fun, Star Trek shaped pew-pew space adventure with callbacks to the original IP (Sulu's sword! The redshirt dies first!) Definitely cynical - his Trek and Wars efforts seemed like the kind of products studio bosses wanted him to make to please focus groups and sell toys, and JJ seems like the kind of guy who'll do anything for an honest paycheck without worrying about stuff like 'artistic vision', 'creativity' or 'good storytelling' - but not malicious.
 
We might actually see Shatner be the last man standing of all things.
In all seriousness though, for her age and all the shit she's had to deal with, she doesn't look too bad, thankfully. Aged, but not a complete senile disaster.

Fat as Shatner is, he's led a pretty active life. Could just be fat genes.
My money's on Takei because Asian genes.
 
Star Track 2009 was a minimum viable product movie. It was reasonably entertaining content, slickly delivered for a younger and broader audience. But also dumb, generic and forgettable, like a Fast and Furious movie.
The score was amazing though, so I'm thankful for that.
My money's on Takei because Asian genes.
Nah, AIDS/HIV or some other homo disease will take out Takei.
 
if seeing those shitty old sets from the golden age of television
Eh. Kinda feels like how the Star Wars prequels were retrospectively 'redeemed' by how shitty the nu Wars movies were. (And the prequels weren't good movies, but the last two were a lot more entertaining than either of the JJ Treks)

Nope. I liked the Abrams Trek movies at the time. I don't think I even knew the internet decided I was supposed to hate them until around a year after the second one. I still think the two Star Wars prequels I saw were some of the crappiest big-budget films ever made, and the sequels are unwatchable. But I have always enjoyed a slightly overweight William Shatner fighting a dude in a polyester suit before smooching a gal in orange face paint more than Patrick Stewart standing around and musing about the nature of leadership.

I will agree it felt like a good introduction to maybe a big budget TV show. That's what I was hoping would be done with it. But I will stand by having enjoyed it more than most of the other Trek films.
 
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Nope. I liked the Abrams Trek movies at the time. I don't think I even knew the internet decided I was supposed to hate them until around a year after the second one. I still think the two Star Wars prequels I saw were some of the crappiest big-budget films ever made. But I have always enjoyed a slightly overweight William Shatner fighting a dude in a polyester suit before smooching a gal in orange face paint more than Patrick Stewart standing around and musing about the nature of leadership.

I will agree it felt like a good introduction to maybe a big budget TV show. That's what I was hoping would be done with it. But I will stand by having enjoyed it more than most of the other Trek films.
I'm kind of in the same boat. I enjoyed the he out of State Trek '09, to the point of picking it up on DVD. Years later, the internet informed me that it was bad for not being "real Trek," never mind that what with Enterprise being taken out behind the woodshed and the TNG movies descending into SyFy Original quality, "real Trek" had been trash for quite some time. Fuck, I even remember the Onion headline: "Star Trek Fans Blast New Star Trek Film as 'Fun, Watchable.'"

Into Darkness lost me though. The first one was a fun space action-adventure movie with a coat of Star Trek paint, but the follow-up riffed on Wrath of Khan so hard it felt like a Seltzer &Friedburg movie but played straight.
 
I did legitimately enjoy 2009 Star Trek, though with some gripes.

Into Darkness is the first move I've walked out of.
 
Eh. Kinda feels like how the Star Wars prequels were retrospectively 'redeemed' by how shitty the nu Wars movies were. (And the prequels weren't good movies, but the last two were a lot more entertaining than either of the JJ Treks)
They were bad Star Wars movies, but at least they actually were Star Wars movies.
Into Darkness lost me though. The first one was a fun space action-adventure movie with a coat of Star Trek paint, but the follow-up riffed on Wrath of Khan so hard it felt like a Seltzer &Friedburg movie but played straight.
The first was fun to watch in IMAX but I didn't bother with the rest.
 
I have always enjoyed a slightly overweight William Shatner fighting a dude in a polyester suit before smooching a gal in orange face paint more than Patrick Stewart standing around and musing about the nature of leadership.
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Into Darkness lost me though.
I remember throwing my hands in the air when Krall destroyed the Enterprise. Again. Star Trek loves to blow up the ship for cheap thrills.
 
This is not mine, just the top search result in YouTube:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HY9zRNuxABI
The bald guy is her son Kyle. He's the one who was sitting next to her at the autograph table. He's been in the news recently for some decisions he made regarding her property and living arrangements, but I think he probably did the right thing.
Well it's nice to see her children are taking care of her.
We might actually see Shatner be the last man standing of all things.
In all seriousness though, for her age and all the shit she's had to deal with, she doesn't look too bad, thankfully. Aged, but not a complete senile disaster.
Good to hear.
Shatner will outlive Stewart. He's incredibly vital. This was from October:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UTGJqHWOhUsHe had to stop and ask for a prompt every now and then like when he forgot the name of the Karman Line, but he spoke for 30 minutes; wove a coherent speech together out of personal memories, film anecdotes, and his space adventure; and ended on a really electrifying note.
I agree compare to Patrick who has aged poorly. I think Shatner will outlive him as well.
 
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