Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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davids877 said:
Well, that episode was... something. I feel bad for the poor costume staff trying to deal with Tilly. I totally skipped the Troony Trill scenes. We're still on our own ship, let's use the swords instead of the phasers we were going to leave on the ship. As someone on the crew pointed out Tilly was mostly useless in combat.
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Grand Wizard Wakka said:
I'm 10 seconds into the newest episode, and felt compelled to post here instead of continue watching. "Choose to live." and then stabbing someone for struggling as you rob them. How about using a weapon with a stun setting instead of a sword, or at least a blunt weapon if you cared so much, you dumb fucking space elf barbarian. Its 900 years after TNG or whatever. Imagine if Vulcans had some sort of enlightened non-lethal way to take someone out. She even uses it on the other person!
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I'm done with STD but I was watching BirdOPrey5's review of this episode and that show is going to kill that poor man. He was saying that he fears that the showrunners will use the anomaly of this season as a wormhole to put their hands on DS9, aka the only Trek show that Kurtzman and his crew have not destroyed yet.
 
Miller said:
I'm done with STD but I was watching BirdOPrey5's review of this episode and that show is going to kill that poor man. He was saying that he fears that the showrunners will use the anomaly of this season as a wormhole to put their hands on DS9, aka the only Trek show that Kurtzman and his crew have not destroyed yet.
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That was my exact sad worry while watching when they said "wormhole" and how it acts unpredictably, as if perhaps controlled...

Also, the whole premise of the episode was stupid shit. Why wouldn't Ninja Nun explain her situation even to her fellow Ninja Nuns? Its one of those situations written purely to create a misunderstanding. Except she's going around murdering people, even her friends. And its all over something Burnham fixed by taking like 5 minutes to rewire something. Oops, guess those people died for no reason. Also "It is our way. Phasers would be seen as a threat. So bring lethal-only swords." So dumb.

I did get a good laugh at a full scene dedicated to Tilly eating and zooming in on her eating. Also, WTF with "We need a security officer to be the only other person to accompany to this dangerous mission involving hand to hand combat." "LOL BRING TILLY SHE'S BORED AND WANTS TO DO SOMETHING NEW." and then Tilly fucking dropping the sword and having no idea how to fight, and LITERALLY being Jar Jar Binks.
 
Miller said:
He was saying that he fears that the showrunners will use the anomaly of this season as a wormhole to put their hands on DS9
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This isn't "fanservice," it's strip-mining.
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Exceptionally Exceptional said:
Because realistically you WOULD want a nice beefy military. The Klingons have one, the Romulans have one, and the Dominion had one. Why the fuck don't WE have one?
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Who's "we", smooth head?
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JamesFargo said:
Cumberbatch and his antics grew tiresome quickly
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I kinda like Cumberbund* and that Bilbo guy, but that show was way dumber than the writers obviously thought it was.

*Also completely wasted as 'Khan'

Grand Wizard Wakka said:
What would be interesting about a Sulu show? The only character less interesting to base a show off might be Chekov.
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I agree, Sulu was only really memorable for going crazy and doing sword fighting that one time, and the other time his tea got spilled by a space shockwave. However, that's because he was a second string character who barely got any lines. I don't know if audiences were ever demanding to see more of Hikaru Sulu, but if the writers were up to scratch, and with a good ensemble cast, it would've worked.

UnKillShredDur said:
The Klingons joining the Federation was literally one of the early implications of the end of Star Trek VI.
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I'm glad we never got housetrained Klingons. They're a traditionalist, chauvinist, dramatic and aggressively expansionist culture so joining the bland, politically correct, watercolored Federation makes no sense and probably wouldn't be very interesting.

What are they supposed to do? Not kill their superiors for career advancement?
 
Standardized Profile said:
They have runabouts and transporters so we don't need to devote an entire act to showing someone transiting from a space station to a planet in the same star system.

Sheridan jumping into the abyss on Z'Ha'Dum was just Gandalf falling in Khazad-Dum, going beyond the rim was Frodo going into the Far West, the First Ones were the Valar, the return of the Shadows was the Return of the Shadow, Mister Morden was Mister Mordor going around doing Nazgul things, the Rangers were the Rangers but also Gandalfs ("We stand on the bridge, and no one may pass"), the Narn were named after the Sindarin word for saga, the Minbari-ensouled Jeffrey Sinclair becoming a Minbari culture hero and turning the war against the Shadows was the half-Elven Earendil becoming an Elven hero and turning the war against Morgoth, etc. If anything, DS9 was the less blatantly derivative of the two properties. Most of the other similarities, an oppressed race that recently liberated itself, interference by their former oppressors, and an international space station were already present in the 90s zeitgeist if not TNG itself.
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yeah Lord of the Rings becoming more well known hasn't done B5 any favors
JamesFargo said:
Nothing can compare to Zathras talking to dirt. A modern Plato.
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Zathras was good, but he wasn't as good as Zathras.
 
Great President of McHell said:
In the end a good idea is worth nothing in comparison to good execution and its undeniable that the execution of these things in LOTR, B5 and DS9 are completely different and interesting in their own ways.
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This is true. In LotR, Sauron's reign wasn't ended because Aragorn angrily called him a chode and told him to fuck off back to Valinor.
 
"I had to take the red matter and SHOOT IT into the supernova!"

Isn't it weird that the "real" versions of both Star Trek and Star Wars ended in 2005?

Or another way of looking at it if you don't consider Star Wars to be dead until The Last Jedi is both Star Trek and Star Wars had a period of 40 years before they ran out of gas, maybe that's just the natural lifespan of a sci fi franchise?
 
Great President of McHell said:
This is why the "X ripped off X" argument is so tiring, all media is derivative in some way or another and if you are looking for similarities you will always find them. I don't doubt that some of the B5 bible might have been aped for DS9 but the elements supposedly stolen are the most generic things that you see frequently in other scifi and fantasy media, Splitting hairs over similar character names is also silly. In the end a good idea is worth nothing in comparison to good execution and its undeniable that the execution of these things in LOTR, B5 and DS9 are completely different and interesting in their own ways.
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There's similarities, and there's homages, and there's "I liked that plot point so much I'm going to use it." JMS alternated between the last two. He wasn't pulling from some deep mythic source in the collective unconscious, he was pulling books off his shelf and going, "Yeah, the wizard falls in Khazad-dum and comes back as more of a strategist, I can use that. 'You cannot pass,' I like that. If I can't work it into dialogue, it'll be a creed or motto or something." That's why the allegation that DS9 ripped him off is so rich. That's how his brain works, so of course he'd think others would do it too.

I will give JMS this: He's got more than just Tolkien and Arthurian legend on his bookshelf. Case in point, the scene where Ivanova, the Jewish officer, tried to pull the First Ones into the Shadow War. In response they just call her ZOG and disappear. JMS plays up his liberal credentials but it seems he's been secretly based and redpilled since before we had those words.
 
Standardized Profile said:
There's similarities, and there's homages, and there's "I liked that plot point so much I'm going to use it." JMS alternated between the last two. He wasn't pulling from some deep mythic source in the collective unconscious, he was pulling books off his shelf and going, "Yeah, the wizard falls in Khazad-dum and comes back as more of a strategist, I can use that. 'You cannot pass,' I like that. If I can't work it into dialogue, it'll be a creed or motto or something." That's why the allegation that DS9 ripped him off is so rich. That's how his brain works, so of course he'd think others would do it too.

I will give JMS this: He's got more than just Tolkien and Arthurian legend on his bookshelf. Case in point, the scene where Ivanova, the Jewish officer, tried to pull the First Ones into the Shadow War. In response they just call her ZOG and disappear. JMS plays up his liberal credentials but it seems he's been secretly based and redpilled since before we had those words.
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JamesFargo said:
He's a boring shitlib. Here's a big reason why Superman: Grounded failed: It's a soapbox for his Obama-style waffle.
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Honselty it really killed me when JMS told fans that" if you supported Trump, you didn't get the show". I mean I am seeing a lot more of Clarke under Biden than Trump. Considering Biden has had the FBI Reid a a political journalist home. So it really annoys me.
 
Standardized Profile said:
There's similarities, and there's homages, and there's "I liked that plot point so much I'm going to use it." JMS alternated between the last two. He wasn't pulling from some deep mythic source in the collective unconscious, he was pulling books off his shelf and going, "Yeah, the wizard falls in Khazad-dum and comes back as more of a strategist, I can use that.
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I couldn't get into B5 back when it was on TV. The cheapskate production values and goofy PS1 graphics* put me off, and so did the overly enthusiastic nerds who kept trying to convince me to watch it. (Nerds, amirite Star Track fans? (:_( )

But I did catch a couple of episodes, and one that stuck with me was the "techno-mage" who ripped off Gandalf's "wizards are subtle and quick to anger" line.

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It seemed kinda goofy at the time, and still does. Much like my 90's nerds friends who were into live action dungeons and dragons or whatever the hell they did on a Saturday morning instead of nursing a hangover.

However, donut steel LOTR: IN SPACE is still a million times better than anything in modern sci fi, which is all pure shit. I can't fault Straczynski for borrowing from nerd canon, I just don't think Tolkien-style mythic fantasy and Star Trek-esque space adventures are a good mashup. You can do a sci fi flavored fantasy story, like Star Wars or Princess of Mars, but the execution needs to be right to avoid it being dweebcringe.

*CGI was synonymous with "cheap, crappy-looking shit" for most of the 90's and 00's. Even some of the high budget stuff today still doesn't hold up to some of the practical effects and model work of ST:TMP, or Star Wars, or 2001: A Space Odyssey. Marvel is particularly bad, they spend hundreds of millions of dollars to vomit CGI all over the screen and have nonsensical 'battle' scenes involving hundreds of primary colored avatars running at each other like it was an orgy in VRChat or something. Unfortunately audiences seem to like it.
 
Dom Cruise said:
Or another way of looking at it if you don't consider Star Wars to be dead until The Last Jedi is both Star Trek and Star Wars had a period of 40 years before they ran out of gas, maybe that's just the natural lifespan of a sci fi franchise?
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there's a difference between running out of gas and replacing the gas with apple juice because you think everything is bio-diesel.

anti SJW said:
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I'd watch the crap out of this.
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only if it got prime sally fields in a mirror universe outfit.
 
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