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In the end I think that's why so many people hate III-- it's a mediocre-at-best film sandwiched between two great-to-excellent films. "Wasted potential" is a good way to put it.
I find it really hard to watch. IMO it's the worst ST movie in terms of watchability and following one scene to another. Also, an insta-terraforming torpedo that uhhhh somehow also resurrects your best friend, I guess, is well past my suspension of disbelief limits. It's my most hated ST plot device, tied with the Nexus in Generations. Generations' plot is incredibly dumb, but it's easier to watch, so I rank III worst.
 
I find it really hard to watch. IMO it's the worst ST movie in terms of watchability and following one scene to another. Also, an insta-terraforming torpedo that uhhhh somehow also resurrects your best friend, I guess, is well past my suspension of disbelief limits. It's my most hated ST plot device, tied with the Nexus in Generations. Generations' plot is incredibly dumb, but it's easier to watch, so I rank III worst.
Really, you think III is worse than Into Darkness and Nemesis?
 
Oddly enough, a few years ago I felt like Stewart was aging very, very well. Like, he was in his 70s and still looked 50 like had for the past fifty years.
Feels like he crashed suddenly. I blame wokeness and how perpetual outrage ruins you.
Just look at Shatner. Shatner never gave a single flying fuck, and will thus live forever. When they're flying to Mars in 30 years, Shatner will be there at age 120 and complain that there are no martian chicks to bang. When mankind ascends to godhood in some strange aeons, Shatner will await them to say "Nice you finally made it, losers".
I agree. I remmber seeing him in a interview back in 2017 and he looked great. Than when the Picard show was coming out I remmber looking at him and being like "what happen!!!" He suddenly age like shit.

I agree sucking woke dick and being perpetual outage certainly doesn't help one's health and appearance. Beside Shanter I hear Clint Eastwood is doing great at 91. I guess being redpilled and based helps your aging process. That makes since trying to be woke sounds stressful to be honset.
 
Really, you think III is worse than Into Darkness and Nemesis?
Oddly enough, Nemesis is another movie I didn't know I was supposed to hate until the internet told me so. I'm a simple man: did I enjoy watching a movie, yes or no? If "no," then into the trash it goes. Nemesis isn't a movie I'd watch again (I rarely watch movies twice), but I was entertained for two hours.
 
I honestly thought Insurrection was worse than Nemesis.
They're neck and neck. Insurrection has a dumber script, but Nemesis makes sad. Insurrection would be instantly better if the B'aku weren't pacifists. Watching the middle-aged cast defend a bunch of settlers that have no will to defend themselves fills me with disgust. The S'ona should take the planet since they're the ones with the will to fight for it.
Search For Spock has the "Stealing the Enterprise" scene. You can't hate that.
And the Excelsior's engine stalling out.
 
I found an animated version of it!

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Yay!
 
They're neck and neck. Insurrection has a dumber script, but Nemesis makes sad. Insurrection would be instantly better if the B'aku weren't pacifists. Watching the middle-aged cast defend a bunch of settlers that have no will to defend themselves fills me with disgust. The S'ona should take the planet since they're the ones with the will to fight for it.
I'm guessing you didn't like that Data died for literally no reason at the end of Nemesis in what is retroactively now the *second* worst ripoff of Wrath of Kahn. (Thanks again ST:ITD) And fair enough, nobody did. But the premise of Nemesis was at least decent. It *could* have been a better movie if it had been handled better. And several of us have all now given our opinions about how Nemesis could have been better.

The premise of Insurrection (and I know you know this, but I'm recapping it for effect) was that a bunch of asshole hippie aliens living on a planet with unexplained magical healing properties that basically rendered them immortal (and to be clear, the planet was not originally theirs, they're fucking squatters) decided to utterly shun technology, to the point where they would not even allow their own people who liked technology a little bit more... i.e. the Son'a, Let alone Federation... to even use the healing properties that the *entire planet* they're squatting on had. They weren't even taking up much of the planet. Hell, there were literally only about 600 Ba'ku- All living in one tiny village on the magic planet.

Remember, this movie took place in the middle of the Dominion War, which wasn't necessarily going particularly well for the Federation at the time.

And then the entire Enterprise crew all unilaterally decide to declare treason against the Federation to help these fucking assholes, just because one of them gave Picard a boner. This is presented as a good thing for some reason... Even though the Ba'ku are *literally* the bad guys here if you're looking at the conflict objectively. I guess they aren't as ugly as the Son'a though, so the Enterprise crew are totally justified.

It also makes no fucking sense that the weak-ass pacifist Ba'ku were able to force the Son'a to leave the planet, when they're literally the same species, except for the facts that the Son'a aren't pacifists and don't shun technology. If anything, the Ba'ku should have been the ones forced off of the planet.

And I'll say it again, they literally could have both shared the fucking planet. The Federation could have even shared it with both of them, to heal anybody hurt in the Dominion War.
 
I'm guessing you didn't like that Data died for literally no reason at the end of Nemesis in what is retroactively now the *second* worst ripoff of Wrath of Kahn. (Thanks again ST:ITD) And fair enough, nobody did. But the premise of Nemesis was at least decent. It *could* have been a better movie if it had been handled better. And several of us have all now given our opinions about how Nemesis could have been better.

The premise of Insurrection (and I know you know this, but I'm recapping it for effect) was that a bunch of asshole hippie aliens living on a planet with unexplained magical healing properties that basically rendered them immortal (and to be clear, the planet was not originally theirs, they're fucking squatters) decided to utterly shun technology, to the point where they would not even allow their own people who liked technology a little bit more... i.e. the Son'a, Let alone Federation... to even use the healing properties that the *entire planet* they're squatting on had. They weren't even taking up much of the planet. Hell, there were literally only about 600 Ba'ku- All living in one tiny village on the magic planet.

Remember, this movie took place in the middle of the Dominion War, which wasn't necessarily going particularly well for the Federation at the time.

And then the entire Enterprise crew all unilaterally decide to declare treason against the Federation to help these fucking assholes, just because one of them gave Picard a boner. This is presented as a good thing for some reason... Even though the Ba'ku are *literally* the bad guys here if you're looking at the conflict objectively. I guess they aren't as ugly as the Son'a though, so the Enterprise crew are totally justified.

It also makes no fucking sense that the weak-ass pacifist Ba'ku were able to force the Son'a to leave the planet, when they're literally the same species, except for the facts that the Son'a aren't pacifists and don't shun technology. If anything, the Ba'ku should have been the ones forced off of the planet.

And I'll say it again, they literally could have both shared the fucking planet. The Federation could have even shared it with both of them, to heal anybody hurt in the Dominion War.
It's not so much that Data dies, it's that it's the movie where everyone visibly looks older. Insurrection is a few years after First Contact, so everyone looks alright and not tired.
 
I'm guessing you didn't like that Data died for literally no reason at the end of Nemesis in what is retroactively now the *second* worst ripoff of Wrath of Kahn. (Thanks again ST:ITD) And fair enough, nobody did. But the premise of Nemesis was at least decent. It *could* have been a better movie if it had been handled better. And several of us have all now given our opinions about how Nemesis could have been better.

The premise of Insurrection (and I know you know this, but I'm recapping it for effect) was that a bunch of asshole hippie aliens living on a planet with unexplained magical healing properties that basically rendered them immortal (and to be clear, the planet was not originally theirs, they're fucking squatters) decided to utterly shun technology, to the point where they would not even allow their own people who liked technology a little bit more... i.e. the Son'a, Let alone Federation... to even use the healing properties that the *entire planet* they're squatting on had. They weren't even taking up much of the planet. Hell, there were literally only about 600 Ba'ku- All living in one tiny village on the magic planet.

Remember, this movie took place in the middle of the Dominion War, which wasn't necessarily going particularly well for the Federation at the time.

And then the entire Enterprise crew all unilaterally decide to declare treason against the Federation to help these fucking assholes, just because one of them gave Picard a boner. This is presented as a good thing for some reason... Even though the Ba'ku are *literally* the bad guys here if you're looking at the conflict objectively. I guess they aren't as ugly as the Son'a though, so the Enterprise crew are totally justified.

It also makes no fucking sense that the weak-ass pacifist Ba'ku were able to force the Son'a to leave the planet, when they're literally the same species, except for the facts that the Son'a aren't pacifists and don't shun technology. If anything, the Ba'ku should have been the ones forced off of the planet.

And I'll say it again, they literally could have both shared the fucking planet. The Federation could have even shared it with both of them, to heal anybody hurt in the Dominion War.
Yeah, so much of insurrection is baffling. Like why can't the Son'a just fly to the other side of the planet and land? What are the Baku going to do?

Given his health problems I almost don't blame the writer for wanting to write about space elves in a garden of Eden but the script really should have been reworked from the ground up.
 
Yeah, so much of insurrection is baffling. Like why can't the Son'a just fly to the other side of the planet and land? What are the Baku going to do?

Given his health problems I almost don't blame the writer for wanting to write about space elves in a garden of Eden but the script really should have been reworked from the ground up.
I believe its said that the Son'a are too far gone to be able to heal just by being on the planet. Their plan was to condense the effect, sac-ing the planet to do so.
 
I believe its said that the Son'a are too far gone to be able to heal just by being on the planet. Their plan was to condense the effect, sac-ing the planet to do so.
Yeah at the point of the movie, but the implication and exposition was that was after being banished for awhile.

What's funny is this came up in Enterprise again. Where a "lost colony" of humans ban earth from sending any more colonists. Like, bitch how you going to stop starfleet from just landing on the opposite side of the globe??
 
Yeah at the point of the movie, but the implication and exposition was that was after being banished for awhile.

What's funny is this came up in Enterprise again. Where a "lost colony" of humans ban earth from sending any more colonists. Like, bitch how you going to stop starfleet from just landing on the opposite side of the globe??
You know, I started watching Enterprise for the first time recently. It's no TNG or anything but I don't think it's that bad. I don't know why everyone hates it so much.

I know Tits McGee isn't a great Vulcan, but whatever. I kind of like that the crew is a bunch of rednecks in space.
 
Dear Doctor is unironically one of the best summarizations of the Prime Directive ever imagined. People hate it, but it shows what the PD really means without a cop out.

Wish more Trek had done this with the PD.
 
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