WWE Champions General - Despite his claims, DSP is still spending thousands of dollars on the WWE Champions mobile game

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I want Phil to finally be number one in this event. It will eat him alive that he can never tell a soul what a (WWE) champion he is.

Though I am curious who the hell is dropping so much money on this game that Mr. Five Grand in Business Expenses can't compete.
 
RembrandtCourage said:
He really loves to pull for Hogan, in more ways than one if you catch my drift. :smug:
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He only cares because Hogan is the most popular wrestler and so they make his Champions characters really powerful. He'd whale just as hard for a wrestler called "Faggy the Prancing Faggot" if it had the same rarity and stats.

And if you don't believe me, recall that this is one of his top 5 highest-invested wrestlers:

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DSP ended at 11th place. He got his hogan … for 2,641 dollars! That is five ps5’s!
 

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TheGoutburglar said:
If our boy is pumping $2641 into the Scopely machine, how much do you figure the whale in first place is wasting on wrestling jpegs? Twice as much?
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It looks like the guy who ended in 1st place spent about $2,700 more than Phil, and the guy in 2nd place spent about $1,000 more than Phil.

I think you got around an extra 56,000 points per $100.
 
Exceptional Chimp said:
I want Phil to finally be number one in this event. It will eat him alive that he can never tell a soul what a (WWE) champion he is.
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He can't even brag about it in-game, thanks to our sweet deranged Nigel, who Phil must hate even more than he hates Tokido. I'll bet he has nightmares about all the times he woke up to find that his guild had kicked him out.
Prince Lotor said:
It looks like the guy who ended in 1st place spent about $2,700 more than Phil.
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$5200? Jesus H. Titty-fucking Christ...

This makes it even better that things aren't going his way when it comes to raking in tips, and explains his mood. He's getting depressed at the realization that he'll never be able to whale enough to win.

Good. I hope it hurts, pigroach.
 
A few questions that people with knowledge of scopley business practice might be able to answer.

1. I saw pull ratios mentioned but it said that gold star wrestler ratios were not listed. Has anyone found the pull ratios for these?

2. Is there a leveling system for wrestlers or is the star/color level just dependent on the pull? Can you just throw money to make a wrestler better?

3. If Phil is part of a VIP program where he pays a monthly fee for this game, do we know if that makes the pull ratios more in his favor?

4. Is "pulling" a wrestler the only way to achieve one or can you just throw a bucket of cash at the game and just buy them?
 
@TJGamebox, for the sake of due diligence, is there other way Phil could be getting those points aside from spending? Even if it's not efficient or would be unusual.
 
Ol' Slag said:
A few questions that people with knowledge of scopley business practice might be able to answer.

1. I saw pull ratios mentioned but it said that gold star wrestler ratios were not listed. Has anyone found the pull ratios for these?

2. Is there a leveling system for wrestlers or is the star/color level just dependent on the pull? Can you just throw money to make a wrestler better?

3. If Phil is part of a VIP program where he pays a monthly fee for this game, do we know if that makes the pull ratios more in his favor?

4. Is "pulling" a wrestler the only way to achieve one or can you just throw a bucket of cash at the game and just buy them?
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I'll answer to the best of my ability. Been looking into the fucking scum pit that is mobile gaming lately. I'll start this post by saying I do not play gacha in any way, shape or form, but I have done some cursory research. Additionally, mobile gaming seems to attract a different breed of person than normal gaming. Exactly the type of place Phil would excel at: No brainiac wikis to be found, no super detailed guides, none of that. It seems like every mobile gamer is a complete casual. Or a casualized gamer, if you will. So Phil finds himself curbstomping lesser whales more often than not, and the scary thought is Phil is legitimately one of the best, most knowledgeable players in the playerbase by the looks of his Discord chats. He's basically reliving his glory days, stomping on untrained players in fighting games... Except this time, there's no Tokido or Valle to squash him and send his ass packing. There's Khalil and his 30 Visa blacks and army of tuned up camels, but that's another story.

Even Cod Mobile seems to base itself mostly on having the shiniest, most badassest gun you can possibly grind up... And grind you will. Upwards of a thousand hours. Unless you're an open wallet.

1: Scopely wisely chose to keep their pull ratios completely hidden. All the way back in 2018, some dude made a pull simulator that roughly worked, and tracked stats. Scopely shut that the fuck down by making it impossible to pull those stats from the game. If the odds were good, they'd be happy to show them. FF Brave Exvius used to have a ~3% ratio for the big boy units. On a bad run, they could run you a thousand bucks. Still, neither Exvius nor Champions have any sort of insurance in place where you're whaling your little heart out and are guaranteed to get the shit you want if you sacrifice enough benjamins to the whale throne.

It's a little nutty how unregulated the mobile market is in general. And one of the funniest things to me is that cheating fucking abounds. It seems like no company can or cares enough to stop it. There aren't many mentions of cheaters getting banned, nor cheaters going dindu. There are mentions of a couple banwaves throughout the years, but that's entirely insufficient. It's a fun circle. Scopely hates Phil and demands he produces more money, Phil hates whales and demands they produce more money. Honestly, the legit WWEC fanbase is treated like shit.

2: As per usual, it's fucking scummy. I think it's good that you asked these questions since it allows a crash course in WWE champs for the uninitiated, including me. If any of the more knowledgeable guys wants to go ahead and share their wisdom with us I'm sure we'd be grateful. You'd probably think levelling is straightforward. I sure did. It is NOT. You get a wrassler at whatever rating you got them. You can level them up by pay or grind. Grind is more likely than not unfeasibly long. These games do not hold back with how much they gatekeep your ass.

Let's say you got a common garden variety Hogan at 1 star bronze. Now, I thought you'd get that Hogan to 2 star bronze after that... But you don't. You have exponential levels. 1 star B->1 star S->1 star G->2 star B->... This obviously adds up to several more levels. The max being 5 star gold now, levelling a wrestler all the way from 1 star bronze to 5 star gold going up stars would add up to a mere 14 levels. The way it's structured, it's 3+6+9+12+15 for a grand total of 45 levels. Going up in stars costs money every time.

I suppose you could just get the wrassler you wanted at 1 star and painstakingly grind them over the course of months without paying anything, while the other whales shoot up every ladder because they are paying and you aren't. And that's another way they keep the out of control whales hooked: You're simply not competitive unless you pay the fuck up. When the max level was 3 star gold, in the game's infancy, this was a mere 3 more levels. Now it's 31. These games never get better, they only get worse. Unless the government slaps them across the dick, which is exceedingly rare.

It's no problem when you're F2P fighting other F2Ps, of course. Everyone has gear that's about as shitty, and may the best man win. Top level gear is always so fucking unbelievably efficient in these games, it'll make your jaw drop. CoD mobile hooks you with easy matches against bots and other poorfags until it starts throwing the rank 150s with insane weaponry that can literally outDPS a minigun point blank at you. Pay up or leave. I'm certain Scopely does the same trick, or an even scummier one. If DSP stops whaling, he'll get smoked. It's the only place he wins reliably in. He needs it, mentally.

3: There are VIP passes and they give, like almost everything else in this fucking honeytrap of a game, obscure buffs. They come with goodies or a specific sweaty man, like Triple H or Shawn Michaels, they're themed, and from what I read on Reddit, nowadays they come with "An increased chance to level up your medals." This can mean literally anything. You paid for it and got jack? You got scammed, tough shit. You got something? Hard to say if it was worth the money you put in. Again, this game seems to have a 99% casual fanbase who couldn't math crunch if they wanted to, so no one in the fanbase does it, and therefore no one knows. Doesn't help that Scopely shuts down pull simulators. The only way to know this shit would be to pay for this shit, and anyone smart enough to math crunch is also smart enough to spend their fun money elsewhere. With how Phil is with anything with the "VIP" tag slapped on, I'd be surprised if he missed even one.

4: You can get shards for a specific wrestler. Even the guides don't say what level you'd get them at, but I figure either low or super low. Why would anyone bother with events otherwise, right? Events give you guys that are beefed up right from the start, imemdiately. This is how whales stay at the top of the leaderboards, by having these guys straight away. Lesser whales will never climb without them. Even if you're on a steady climb without spending, you're likely to hit insurmountable walls at some point.

And that's about all I can say. I might go deeper into this eventually (With an emulator and BLATANT cheats, of course, fuck giving these corporations a red cent) but my laziness taking over seems just as likely. Anyway, as I said before, if one of the really knowledgeable guys wants to take over and drop some better, deeper information, we'd welcome that with open wallets and winner ratings.

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ReentryPhantom said:
Phil hasn't hit the tips goal in over a week. Where is this money coming from?
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I have two theories besides the credit card/loan shark ones:

One, his whales are paying him privately for whatever reason. I'm not sure why he's suddenly changing his mind or they're not interested in the e-notoriety from donating but Phil is weird and might get off on the idea that we can't track his income anymore. If this is true, I have no idea why he suddenly decided to do it now instead of years ago when EddyB43 began tracking his income methodically.

Two, he is dipping into his real basic bills money. The move to YT hasn't hurt his overall income but now it is almost all in immediate PayPal payments. That used to be his spending money while things like AdSense and Twitch subs covered necessities. Phil just might not have the self preservation necessary to make that distinction without somebody doing it for him.

Either way all we can do is guess. So far as I know it's outright impossible to run a credit check on someone without his/her permission.
 
twattycake said:
I have two theories besides the credit card/loan shark ones:

One, his whales are paying him privately for whatever reason. I'm not sure why he's suddenly changing his mind or they're not interested in the e-notoriety from donating but Phil is weird and might get off on the idea that we can't track his income anymore. If this is true, I have no idea why he suddenly decided to do it now instead of years ago when EddyB43 began tracking his income methodically.

Two, he is dipping into his real basic bills money. The move to YT hasn't hurt his overall income but now it is almost all in immediate PayPal payments. That used to be his spending money while things like AdSense and Twitch subs covered necessities. Phil just might not have the self preservation necessary to make that distinction without somebody doing it for him.

Either way all we can do is guess. So far as I know it's outright impossible to run a credit check on someone without his/her permission.
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In due time I think we'll eventually get small snippets of how he's using his money to pay certain expenses. He's obviously not going to be very ahnest about it as he usually does when talking finances during his streams but we can pick apart what he doesn't end up saying most of the time, because he's bullshiting and deflecting blame consistently when it comes to his bills, wahkando and back tax payments.

There's method in madness, Phil knows exactly how much of his own real money he's going to end up digging into with his non tip payments, and he'll only have himself to blame for it when somehow it's "not enough".
 
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