WWE Champions General - Despite his claims, DSP is still spending thousands of dollars on the WWE Champions mobile game

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Something feels well off with this. The spending is just getting bonkers.

So what is his account valued at now?
 
Wouldn't surprise me at all if Phil finally caved and picked up a predatory post-bankrupt credit card recently for the Hulkster. This is generously assuming he hasn't already maxed out every card he could get his hands on since May 2020.
 
Nigel of Ukip said:
Something feels well off with this. The spending is just getting bonkers.

So what is his account valued at now?
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80k minimum with the spending. especially since his account is in the top 25 in talent alone
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Colloid said:
Wouldn't surprise me at all if Phil finally caved and picked up a predatory post-bankrupt credit card recently for the Hulkster. This is generously assuming he hasn't already maxed out every card he could get his hands on since May 2020.
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IIRC, the conclusion some came to is that prior to this event, his spending coincided with how much he received from tips in a given day, or at least plausibly similar amounts.

I doubt that Phil had the foresight of saving to spend on a specific event, despite his obvious boner for Hulk Hogan. Nevertheless, the spending on this event was unusually high, which does bring some questions.

Has anyone checked how much he got from YouTube in total (superchats, tips, channel memberships, etc.) in the last month? My guess is that after expenses, you’d find a similar amount to what he may have spent on this event.
 
Kosher Dill said:
He only cares because Hogan is the most popular wrestler and so they make his Champions characters really powerful. He'd whale just as hard for a wrestler called "Faggy the Prancing Faggot" if it had the same rarity and stats.

And if you don't believe me, recall that this is one of his top 5 highest-invested wrestlers:

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faggy the prancing faggot was always my gimmick when i was playing wrestling as a kid and now im wondering how phil felt about goldust back in the day. Anyway, just wanted to say that if i ever spent 2.5 on the weekend over a video game i would probably kill myself monday morning. for someone who is such a boring streamer he somehow never fails to entertain in an extraordinarily sick way.
 
Jose Cuervo said:
Has anyone checked how much he got from YouTube in total (superchats, tips, channel memberships, etc.) in the last month? My guess is that after expenses, you’d find a similar amount to what he may have spent on this event.
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The tips tracker has all that you seek my dude. Membership earnings for last month were probably closer to the $750-$800 range due to limitations in how they are tracked.

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I doubt that Phil is bringing in THAT much in private tips, because he can't help crowing about such things, and the mood he has been in for awhile is genuine. He wants another vest streak so badly, and privating so much in tips is counter-productive to that. There's a reason he has been arranging them for so long. It's not just about the gacha funds.
Jose Cuervo said:
IIRC, the conclusion some came to is that prior to this event, his spending coincided with how much he received from tips in a given day, or at least plausibly similar amounts.

I doubt that Phil had the foresight of saving to spend on a specific event, despite his obvious boner for Hulk Hogan. Nevertheless, the spending on this event was unusually high, which does bring some questions.
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Until recently, his spending did indeed coincide quite nicely with his tip intake, which is why we're only now really starting to think that something fishy is going on. The math doesn't add up, and it's very unusual, when we're talking about tips and gacha spending.
Piece of Peace said:
The tips tracker has all that you seek my dude. Membership earnings for last month were probably closer to the $750-$800 range due to limitations in how they are tracked.
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So that doesn't account for this odd spending.

I'm thinking he has credit cards again. It's the easiest way for him to bump up his spending, he's stupid enough to do it, he's ADDICTED enough to do it, and it doesn't require the co-operation of certain retards who more than likely value getting off on publicly giving him money, not privately.

But honestly, I'm not as curious about how he's paying for this shit as I am WHY he's choosing to give himself away here. He HAS to know how suspicious this looks, detractors are GOING to look extra hard for clues as to where this money is coming from, especially the longer he keeps this up. That means he has to watch himself more, which I doubt he finds appetizing at all, being the lazy bastard that he is.

Like I've said before, he has seemed unwilling to shuffle money around in order to whale out. For a long time, he, by all appearances, simply accepted it when he didn't quite have $200-400 that day in tips to spend on gacha. And that was when he had two sizable Twitch checks per month. Now, in a time where those are gone for good, Phil is doing THIS? This kind of whaling out is stupid even for him, at this point in time.

At the risk of calling things too early, I won't exactly be surprised when this turns out to be the beginning of the end of Phil's marriage. Tips and spending lining up meant ADDICTED, for sure, but this means something else entirely. The pigroach has grown weary of restraining himself, of respecting his means. This is what he does when he lets his addiction make all the decisions.

And the result of that is always the same, with every addict who got conquered by that monkey on their back.
 
Welp, looks like he's finally admitting it




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I guess this is his dumb way of giving us the 'lowkey' middle finger.

h/t NaisuFight from reddit

BTW HI PHIL!
 
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ReentryPhantom said:
Phil hasn't hit the tips goal in over a week. Where is this money coming from?
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I'm confused why everyone is confused. People here track tips....didn't he make over $15,000 in 6 weeks or so? Why couldn't he have the money to spend $3000 of it on Champions? I don't see why there had to be additional private tipping or a credit card involved.
 
@grump Looks like I was right: he IS, at least partially, holding on to Champions out of spite. Little does he realize that he's owning himself, not us.
strandedcastaway said:
didn't he make over $15,000 in 6 weeks or so?
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He made even more last year during the vest streak. But he also didn't, because he spent it, every day, not letting it accumulate. He's Phil, it's very unusual for him to have a large pile of money sitting around for longer than a few hours.
 
TheGoutburglar said:
But honestly, I'm not as curious about how he's paying for this shit as I am WHY he's choosing to give himself away here. He HAS to know how suspicious this looks, detractors are GOING to look extra hard for clues as to where this money is coming from, especially the longer he keeps this up. That means he has to watch himself more, which I doubt he finds appetizing at all, being the lazy bastard that he is.
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His love for Hulk Hogan surpasses his paranoid public image with the trolls.
 
TheGoutburglar said:
At the risk of calling things too early, I won't exactly be surprised when this turns out to be the beginning of the end of Phil's marriage. Tips and spending lining up meant ADDICTED, for sure, but this means something else entirely. The pigroach has grown weary of restraining himself, of respecting his means. This is what he does when he lets his addiction make all the decisions.
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Kat's not going to leave him until the very end. This isn't naïve belief in true love, it's cynicism paired with basic math: her situation (room, board, and some spending money in exchange for part-time work and putting up with Phil) is still a major step up from couch surfing again and there simply aren't many people as rich and desperate as Phil out there. This goes double if we take "Subaru Man" at his word; if she just wants to sit in her room playing Skyrim and Overwatch all day then her lifestyle won't change much even if he does start having to cut back.
strandedcastaway said:
I'm confused why everyone is confused. People here track tips....didn't he make over $15,000 in 6 weeks or so? Why couldn't he have the money to spend $3000 of it on Champions? I don't see why there had to be additional private tipping or a credit card involved.
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Because the increase in tips a few weeks ago was also accompanied by a major increase in whaling (link) which then tapered off as tips came back down. He wasn't even consistently winning or placing in the interim so it's not like he had enough money to be able to pay to win and have more left over.
 
twattycake said:
Kat's not going to leave him until the very end.
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I'm saying that it's going to come to that, possibly sooner rather than later. If Phil's last bit of defense against his own addiction has been compromised, it's inevitable that he'll spend his way into no longer being able to provide for Katherine. He used to be able to go "Oh well" when he didn't make enough tips, and stop at a certain point. Now he's going "Oh well", in the face of insufficient tips, and spending anyway.

That HAS to be because his addiction has won the war, and with him taunting us (DSP The Immortal), his need to "beat" us in this regard is clearly part of the reason.
 
SauceRyuKen said:
I'll answer to the best of my ability. Been looking into the fucking scum pit that is mobile gaming lately. I'll start this post by saying I do not play gacha in any way, shape or form, but I have done some cursory research. Additionally, mobile gaming seems to attract a different breed of person than normal gaming. Exactly the type of place Phil would excel at: No brainiac wikis to be found, no super detailed guides, none of that. It seems like every mobile gamer is a complete casual. Or a casualized gamer, if you will. So Phil finds himself curbstomping lesser whales more often than not, and the scary thought is Phil is legitimately one of the best, most knowledgeable players in the playerbase by the looks of his Discord chats. He's basically reliving his glory days, stomping on untrained players in fighting games... Except this time, there's no Tokido or Valle to squash him and send his ass packing. There's Khalil and his 30 Visa blacks and army of tuned up camels, but that's another story.

Even Cod Mobile seems to base itself mostly on having the shiniest, most badassest gun you can possibly grind up... And grind you will. Upwards of a thousand hours. Unless you're an open wallet.

1: Scopely wisely chose to keep their pull ratios completely hidden. All the way back in 2018, some dude made a pull simulator that roughly worked, and tracked stats. Scopely shut that the fuck down by making it impossible to pull those stats from the game. If the odds were good, they'd be happy to show them. FF Brave Exvius used to have a ~3% ratio for the big boy units. On a bad run, they could run you a thousand bucks. Still, neither Exvius nor Champions have any sort of insurance in place where you're whaling your little heart out and are guaranteed to get the shit you want if you sacrifice enough benjamins to the whale throne.

It's a little nutty how unregulated the mobile market is in general. And one of the funniest things to me is that cheating fucking abounds. It seems like no company can or cares enough to stop it. There aren't many mentions of cheaters getting banned, nor cheaters going dindu. There are mentions of a couple banwaves throughout the years, but that's entirely insufficient. It's a fun circle. Scopely hates Phil and demands he produces more money, Phil hates whales and demands they produce more money. Honestly, the legit WWEC fanbase is treated like shit.

2: As per usual, it's fucking scummy. I think it's good that you asked these questions since it allows a crash course in WWE champs for the uninitiated, including me. If any of the more knowledgeable guys wants to go ahead and share their wisdom with us I'm sure we'd be grateful. You'd probably think levelling is straightforward. I sure did. It is NOT. You get a wrassler at whatever rating you got them. You can level them up by pay or grind. Grind is more likely than not unfeasibly long. These games do not hold back with how much they gatekeep your ass.

Let's say you got a common garden variety Hogan at 1 star bronze. Now, I thought you'd get that Hogan to 2 star bronze after that... But you don't. You have exponential levels. 1 star B->1 star S->1 star G->2 star B->... This obviously adds up to several more levels. The max being 5 star gold now, levelling a wrestler all the way from 1 star bronze to 5 star gold going up stars would add up to a mere 14 levels. The way it's structured, it's 3+6+9+12+15 for a grand total of 45 levels. Going up in stars costs money every time.

I suppose you could just get the wrassler you wanted at 1 star and painstakingly grind them over the course of months without paying anything, while the other whales shoot up every ladder because they are paying and you aren't. And that's another way they keep the out of control whales hooked: You're simply not competitive unless you pay the fuck up. When the max level was 3 star gold, in the game's infancy, this was a mere 3 more levels. Now it's 31. These games never get better, they only get worse. Unless the government slaps them across the dick, which is exceedingly rare.

It's no problem when you're F2P fighting other F2Ps, of course. Everyone has gear that's about as shitty, and may the best man win. Top level gear is always so fucking unbelievably efficient in these games, it'll make your jaw drop. CoD mobile hooks you with easy matches against bots and other poorfags until it starts throwing the rank 150s with insane weaponry that can literally outDPS a minigun point blank at you. Pay up or leave. I'm certain Scopely does the same trick, or an even scummier one. If DSP stops whaling, he'll get smoked. It's the only place he wins reliably in. He needs it, mentally.

3: There are VIP passes and they give, like almost everything else in this fucking honeytrap of a game, obscure buffs. They come with goodies or a specific sweaty man, like Triple H or Shawn Michaels, they're themed, and from what I read on Reddit, nowadays they come with "An increased chance to level up your medals." This can mean literally anything. You paid for it and got jack? You got scammed, tough shit. You got something? Hard to say if it was worth the money you put in. Again, this game seems to have a 99% casual fanbase who couldn't math crunch if they wanted to, so no one in the fanbase does it, and therefore no one knows. Doesn't help that Scopely shuts down pull simulators. The only way to know this shit would be to pay for this shit, and anyone smart enough to math crunch is also smart enough to spend their fun money elsewhere. With how Phil is with anything with the "VIP" tag slapped on, I'd be surprised if he missed even one.

4: You can get shards for a specific wrestler. Even the guides don't say what level you'd get them at, but I figure either low or super low. Why would anyone bother with events otherwise, right? Events give you guys that are beefed up right from the start, imemdiately. This is how whales stay at the top of the leaderboards, by having these guys straight away. Lesser whales will never climb without them. Even if you're on a steady climb without spending, you're likely to hit insurmountable walls at some point.

And that's about all I can say. I might go deeper into this eventually (With an emulator and BLATANT cheats, of course, fuck giving these corporations a red cent) but my laziness taking over seems just as likely. Anyway, as I said before, if one of the really knowledgeable guys wants to take over and drop some better, deeper information, we'd welcome that with open wallets and winner ratings.

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I am going to try to deep dive into the website itself.

They are supposed to make pull ratios available. They usually do this by burying it within either the user agreement or a hidden corner of the website.

If worse comes to worse, I will call and try to get actual pull ratios that way.

If we can nail down pull ratios for gold star wrestlers, it might give a more concise answer to the overall cash that Phil has sunk into his account.
 
Ol' Slag said:
I am going to try to deep dive into the website itself.

They are supposed to make pull ratios available. They usually do this by burying it within either the user agreement or a hidden corner of the website.

If worse comes to worse, I will call and try to get actual pull ratios that way.

If we can nail down pull ratios for gold star wrestlers, it might give a more concise answer to the overall cash that Phil has sunk into his account.
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They won’t give you odds… it’s been asked since the game came out. The odds they give for “featured” and others is enough for Apple
 
TJGamebox said:
They won’t give you odds… it’s been asked since the game came out. The odds they give for “featured” and others is enough for Apple
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I will do some deep digging. Even if they won't, I just want to double check and persue all avenues.
 
Hogan latest sweatymanjpg spending couldn't have come from a monthly patreon check coming in during the first half of the new month? A year after bankruptcy DSP finding a way to play with credit again for future interest payments and minimums wouldn't be impossible either at this point I have to admit.
 
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