Culture Woke Marvel Eliminates The Punisher Due To "Problematic" Conservative Fan Base - Marvel even brings the Punisher's wife back from the dead, only so that she can divorce him and take his money and property...

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A year ago progressive news outlets were calling the idea of the culture war a “right-wing conspiracy theory” that had no basis in reality. Yet, the injection of far-left politics into entertainment media had already started years previous, with noticeable propaganda efforts in movies, streaming television, children's shows and books, even commercial advertising was replete with progressive ideological imagery by 2016 onward.

The goal is relatively obvious – To erase competing ideals and viewpoints while saturating the market with only one political vision; a woke vision. It's called social engineering, and anyone who claims this is not happening in the US today is gaslighting.

Strangely, the American comic book industry has become a major battleground in the culture war, with heroic symbols being increasingly erased or hijacked as vehicles for woke talking points. A vast array of comic book characters are now race-swapped, converted to LGBT or they have had their histories rewritten to make them more “acceptable for modern audiences.” At the same time, they promote everything from BLM, to climate change propaganda, to gender identity politics and anti-gun messaging.

Why would leftists target something as frivolous as comic book heroes? Because pop-culture is first and foremost a playground where children grow up, and by rewriting heroes as social justice crusaders and communists they hope to indoctrinate the next generation.

However, one hero figure in particular is seen as so egregious and so triggering that leftists want him memory-holed altogether – The Punisher.

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The Punisher character (Frank Castle), originally created by writer Gerry Conway in 1974 with artists Ross Andru and John Romita, was a product of a chaotic era; a reaction to the rise of war, stagflation, instability and exploding crime rates in the US. The Punisher's story is a tragedy of a returning military veteran whose family is killed during what seems to be a gangland hit. With federal agencies doing little to arrest the perpetrators, Castle takes matters into his own hands and begins systematically assassinating the criminals.

The concept of citizen crime stopping and vigilantism was becoming popular in the cultural zeitgeist in the 70s, with many people living in metropolitan areas dealing with increasing criminal violence and unreliable government protection. City governments in places like New York were actively restricting gun rights for law abiding people, which only made things easier for criminals.

The same exact conditions are returning to the US today, and debate is boiling once again on vigilantes (just look at the media fury over Kyle Rittenhouse or Daniel Penny). The mainstream left is adamantly opposed to any form of civilian intervention (unless it's Antifa or BLM), while also being adamantly opposed to any intervention by police. In other words, they want to let criminals run wild and then threaten to prosecute anyone who dares to do anything about it.

The Punisher as an icon has been highly popular among conservatives, military veterans and law enforcement officers in recent years. The trademark skull symbol can be found everywhere, with patches, gear and flags sporting the image, often as a representation of citizens taking matters into their own hands. The symbol was also seen at the January 6th protests.

This has made leftists at Marvel Comics livid. They first attempted to make fundamental changes to the character, including a redesign of his popular skull symbol, as well as taking away his guns and giving him swords in 2021. Instead of fighting against criminal organizations, Frank Castle joins with one, violating his fundamental code of ethics.

This month, though, Marvel officially declared the Punisher persona non grata, eliminating the character as readers know him. Did he go out in a blaze of glory? No, in typical woke fashion Frank Castle is captured by progressive heroes, chained up and forced to go through a struggle session in which he is admonished as a murderer and a terrorist. Marvel even brings the Punisher's wife back from the dead, only so that she can divorce him and take his money and property, and then inform him that his lifelong crusade against the criminal underworld was all for nothing.

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The character then “dies” from apparent suicide but the story is left open to his return, just not as the gun-toting hero people know and love.

Marvel writers, including original Punisher creator Gerry Conway, specifically cite the popularity of the character among conservatives as the reason for his virtual elimination. As Newsweek noted, the Punisher was “problematic” for Marvel because conservatives liked him too much. He represents the every-man: He has no superpowers, he's not a billionaire like Batman, but he still fights evil with an immovable will and a lot of guns.

The co-option and erasure of popular heroes (or anti-heroes) is representative of the disturbing politicization of our times. Much like the Cultural Revolution in China, leftist movements in America are systematically tearing down all opposing beliefs from our cultural catalog, and this includes any positive representations of vigilantism. They openly admit why they are doing it; conservatives aren't allowed to be the good guys. They aren't allowed to have heroes. Meaning, if the Punisher was a leftist icon, Marvel would have no problem with him.

 
I know this is pure :optimistic: on my part, but I really hope that someday the Punisher not only gets a revival, but that this awful retcon is removed too. Though a lot of modern Marvel/Disney changes piss me off, this one in particular I find especially upsetting because of how they not only kill off the Punisher, but they made his wife a hypocritical cunt who condemns and kills him, then takes all his stuff. Worse yet, the fact that they made her mad at Frank for killing people who deserved to die makes her look like an amoral piece of shit.

The Punisher deserves better than this. There is so much wrong with how Marvel/Disney is doing this. (:_(
 
Who says I do? It's entirely possible that they'll run it into the ground and sell it to someone else.

You don't think there'll be a pendulum swing in the other direction eventually? Doom and gloom gets fucking tiring. This DEI shit isn't sustainable. Eventually good story will take priority again, somewhere.
Comic books are a lost cause. Fuck even the girly comics I used to read from Archie are shit now. I don't know how much they can spit in your face and to not get it that these people hate you and don't deserve your money. The fucking pendulum swing was supposed to come 9 years ago. Never happened, how they're going to literally jail the right wing political candidate.

Good luck on waiting for these people to turn around. Fucking Budweiser lost 30 percent of its market share in three months and the people running it don't give a rat's ass about apologizing for it or firing anyone. What do you think a comic book company now staffed by purple haired neckbeards complaining about American Nazis on Twitter all day is going to do? lol
 
The createor of Rorschach is butt hut people liked him so much. He was trying to portray him as some deranged right winger, which just shows the preferences of normal people when it comes to dealing with criminals. Thankfully, it's way too late to fuck up his character some how. They did some horrible Watchmen comic/tv sequels but I think he was still dead in them.

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>people like a character because he comes to either inhabit righteous indignation or the guy becoming a monster while fighting monsters
>Some leftwing self-hating atheist southern faggot decides to rewrite it to own the CHUDS

I mean I hate characters like Captain American because the character is way too moralizing to me and most of the shit I've read that people gush about is moralizing garbage. The Punisher has interesting interpretations where sometimes he's someone with nothing left, but anger and skills or a trained killer who enjoys it and has nothing holding him back or a lunatic in denial.
I like the Chuck Dixon Punisher more than the Ennis ones, the Ennis one is less interesting on the re-read because the anglo seethe becomes more apparent.

The thing that pisses me off is that you never get any actual writer who's into military shit having Frank go into planning, obtaining weapons, and whatever. Worse is that Marvel never let him go after mutants or whatever. Like you have drugs in Marvel that give people powers that require harvesting tissue from people with powers. You never get him loading up to go after someone with powers in a creative way.
 
@Odd Opossum
"I think the Punisher can't really work in modern settings, not to mention how anti-PC his whole character is, so this was an inevitability. Expect Marvel to just axe Frank off soon."
I'm curious why you think this? Do you just mean it wouldn't be acceptable to the main comics groups - which I could see - or do you mean as I think you do that the character concept just doesn't work today. In which case I'm curious why.

@Still Exceptional
"Now that's not to say I want comics where all my favorite superheroes are suddenly all just Frank Castle with a costume and superpowers (we had that in the 90s and it kinda sucked), but I think there needs to be room for heroes like the Punisher because not everyone subscribes to the idea that shooting the criminal in the face because he just murdered an entire family and would do it again in a heartbeat is wrong. And I hate the attempt to wholesale vilify such characters by ascribing selfish motivations to them like MAX did. I also felt like it was a bit too inspired by Rambo, the whole "Vietnam vet can't adapt to civilian life" shit that First Blood did x1000 better."

I think most of the superheroes would be ambivalent about the criminals being killed if it were the state that did it via court-determined capital punishment. I think if the Joker were sentenced to death it wouldn't necessarily stop Batman from catching him. So long as it wasn't full on dystopian authoritarian society. Whilst some might not - I could see Spiderman or the Flash being reluctant to turn in some of their foes if they thought it would lead to an execution. It really depends on the hero and the crime but I think it's important to distinguish between a hero being willing to be judge-jury-executioner and a judicial process maybe leading there. Most of the mainstream superheroes want to have a good relationship with law enforcement.

Obviously Frank Castle isn't a big believer in judicial process of course.
 
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You know? We only have to wait until around 2074 for the Punisher character to become public domain and the fans can truly reclaim the character and all of these characters changed and warped by corporate monarchs.

Assuming we still (hopefully) have some kind of freedom by then of course.
 
It'd be hilarious if it weren't so depressing. I read the X-Men through high school, not just what was released at the time, but a massive backlog going back decades courtesy of a friend's father who'd been collecting comics since he was a lad. Huge, huge nostalgia for the X-Men, I've got framed comic art on the walls and multiple boxes of comics I've been dragging around for twenty five years. The current storylines are just political shit, there's no interest in telling a good story, everything has to have a fucking moral.

Marvel having a franchise like Punisher, which has the potential to actually make a profit in a market that is on its knees and then shutting it down is like cutting off a racehorse's leg and then wondering why you've losing the race. Manga exploded on the scene in the late 1990s because people were so fed up with American comics and all the political shit and drama attached to them. Instead of realising that they need to tell better stories, they've spent three decades doubling down as they became more and more irrelevant, and manga just keeps getting bigger by the year. If the Mouse hadn't bought the movie rights to Marvel, I sincerely doubt that Marvel would even exist at this point. It'd be long gone, and its franchises and backlog in the hands of multiple third party companies.
I increasingly feel like I'm living in an Ayn Rand novel. No wonder she had this strong principle about how companies should only pursue profit and nothing else. Because now we see companies repeatedly sabotaging their own markets for the sake of social indoctrination. And it's horrible.
It's called Gotham Knights, and it's airing on the CW right now.

(OK, they didn't quite do that but boy do they come close.)
Wow! So you're the other person who watches this. I knew they weren't making the show just for me alone. There had to be another.

Yeah, they haven't brought back Bruce's parents but boy they've done just about everything else. What's really mind-blowing is that the FtM trans character is actually the most decent character (and one of about only three of the cast who can act!)


Because Moore is an excellent writer who creates compelling characters, even when he's writing a parody of Steve Ditko's Objectivist characters to criticize superhero comics specifically.

Whether or not Moore likes it, Rorschach is the only actual hero in all of Watchmen, at least of the capes.

No, that guy is pretty obviously intended to be an asshole.
There is precedent. John Milton was a deeply religious man who wrote Paradise Lost to glorify God and show how misguided Satan was. And ended up writing a book where God comes across as tremendously sanctimonious (I'm aware of the etymological truism in what I just wrote) and Satan comes across as a pretty badass underdog who stands up to archangels and faces down the personification of death.

Moore is a great writer (not quite on Milton's level) and similarly is able to create a character he himself does not agree with but his audience does.
 
But will they stop selling so much punisher skull merch shit? I'm so sick of punisher merch havers, but it's a useful marker that someone is a cringelord and should be shunned. I don't read enough comics to know if the punisher as a character is generally good or not but the fans sure seem to be extremely cringe.
 
I think if the Joker were sentenced to death it wouldn't necessarily stop Batman from catching him.
I think it might actually cause him serious qualms, considering the purity of his views on the issue. He is also not exactly a cop-worshipping vigilante, as he fairly routinely violated the law to do what he did, despite respecting the law and wanting to restore it. Even when the police were actively pursuing him, either because of corruption or just because he was, in fact, often actually breaking the law, he wouldn't submit and stop his activities.

It's hard to say categorical things about Batman because there are so many versions of him, but generally being unwilling to kill is one of them (with so many notable exceptions it is hard to count them).

That said I think he's actually killed the Joker at least once but I forget when. Almost all the "rules of Batman" have been violated at some point.
 
There's already a show. It was on Netflix. 1st season was fucking amazing with Bernthal as the Punisher. 2nd season.... Has issues but is mostly good if you can look past some really bad storytelling.

I meant that Disney is bringing it back and it's looking like a Hulu exclusive if the rumors are true. But with this recent news, and in addition to the new DareDevil show (which is also looking to be severely dumbed down in comparison to the Netflix show), it's not looking good.

I know Netflix is shit now and I get that. But The Punisher and DareDevil were two fucking amazing shows. And I say that as someone who has lost all interest in capeshit.
Don't forget bin bons I mean Ben Barnes
 
Do you just mean it wouldn't be acceptable to the main comics groups - which I could see - or do you mean as I think you do that the character concept just doesn't work today.
Both. Frank's main enemy outside of the usual comic villains are the American Mafia, which does not have the influence or power it had when the Punisher debuted. Modern day organized crime in North America is dominated mainly by non-white street gangs and Hispanic drug cartels, and I think you can figure out why those groups would not written to get gunned down by Frank.
 
But will they stop selling so much punisher skull merch shit? I'm so sick of punisher merch havers, but it's a useful marker that someone is a cringelord and should be shunned. I don't read enough comics to know if the punisher as a character is generally good or not but the fans sure seem to be extremely cringe.
I remember reading somewhere that most of the Punisher skull shit is sold my third parties and Disney gave up trying to go after them all because there's so many. You think all those Molon Labe, thin blue line, 3%, etc etc shit is authorized by the mouse?
 
I think it might actually cause him serious qualms, considering the purity of his views on the issue. He is also not exactly a cop-worshipping vigilante, as he fairly routinely violated the law to do what he did, despite respecting the law and wanting to restore it. Even when the police were actively pursuing him, either because of corruption or just because he was, in fact, often actually breaking the law, he wouldn't submit and stop his activities.

It's hard to say categorical things about Batman because there are so many versions of him, but generally being unwilling to kill is one of them (with so many notable exceptions it is hard to count them).
If that's the case then that's as close to a No Win situation as Batman would have ever encountered. Because he would be then in the situation of "Don't stop the Joker," "Stop the Joker knowing it will lead to the Joker's death" or "maintain his own private prison".

Actually, Bruce Wayne could probably afford that last one so maybe I've thought my way out of it. Still, if you follow everything through down the lines of possible futures then you turn every situation in your life into a trolley problem where there's no way of acting that preserves a code of morality like Batman's in the first place. At some point down the line you have to introduce a gap whereby you say "I have passed some quantum boundary of fuzziness - beyond lies only probability on which I cannot base decisions". Humans are not omniscient. So cannot function without that cut off point.
 
@AnOminous
Because Moore is an excellent writer who creates compelling characters, even when he's writing a parody of Steve Ditko's Objectivist characters to criticize superhero comics specifically. Whether or not Moore likes it, Rorschach is the only actual hero in all of Watchmen, at least of the capes. No, that guy is pretty obviously intended to be an asshole.
80ies Alan Moore was a good enough writer to know to "let the story write itself" even if it took a turn to where he originally didn't intended for it to take. Which for Watchman was to let the reader decide who's the villain and the hero and whether Ozymandias got away with it or not. For as much of the petty crap he done to try and make Rorschach look terrible. He (un)intentionally done even more to make his "hero" Ozymandias even worse long before his goal came into fruition.
 
@AnOminous

80ies Alan Moore was a good enough writer to know to "let the story write itself" even if it took a turn to where he originally didn't intended for it to take. Which for Watchman was to let the reader decide who's the villain and the hero and whether Ozymandias got away with it or not. For as much of the petty crap he done to try and make Rorschach look terrible. He (un)intentionally done even more to make his "hero" Ozymandias even worse long before his goal came into fruition.
The 'hero' of that story was meant to be that pussy owl guy.
 
The createor of Rorschach is butt hut people liked him so much. He was trying to portray him as some deranged right winger, which just shows the preferences of normal people when it comes to dealing with criminals. Thankfully, it's way too late to fuck up his character some how. They did some horrible Watchmen comic/tv sequels but I think he was still dead in them.
The guy that created archie bunker was mad people liked archie and not the faggy son in law. Creators don't have a pulse on the nation.
 
Things have also not been going so well for BlackRock thanks to the whole Bud Light controversy and societal backlash towards tranny shit and black washing that Larry Fink is considering retiring "in order to spend more time with his family".
Larry Fink is one of the most powerful people on the planet, equal in reach, money, and influence to most heads of state. There is no way that sinister bastard would give up power willingly. He'll give it up when he's dead.

Another thing: Fink holds the keys to the kingdom, which is access to the Aladdin AI, the most advanced artificial intelligence in the world and supposedly capable of foretelling future market trends with uncanny accuracy. Access to Aladdin gives companies (and governments) onboard with Fink a nearly unbeatable age against competitors. That edge is why companies such as AB are willing to sacrifice their best-selling brand of beer to keep up their ESG/DEI score--a Woke system of corporate conformance and social engineering Fink himself invented and imposed.

The only way to stop BlackRock is to shut down, damage, or destroy the Aladdin AI. Good luck with that.
 
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