Culture Woke Marvel Eliminates The Punisher Due To "Problematic" Conservative Fan Base - Marvel even brings the Punisher's wife back from the dead, only so that she can divorce him and take his money and property...

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A year ago progressive news outlets were calling the idea of the culture war a “right-wing conspiracy theory” that had no basis in reality. Yet, the injection of far-left politics into entertainment media had already started years previous, with noticeable propaganda efforts in movies, streaming television, children's shows and books, even commercial advertising was replete with progressive ideological imagery by 2016 onward.

The goal is relatively obvious – To erase competing ideals and viewpoints while saturating the market with only one political vision; a woke vision. It's called social engineering, and anyone who claims this is not happening in the US today is gaslighting.

Strangely, the American comic book industry has become a major battleground in the culture war, with heroic symbols being increasingly erased or hijacked as vehicles for woke talking points. A vast array of comic book characters are now race-swapped, converted to LGBT or they have had their histories rewritten to make them more “acceptable for modern audiences.” At the same time, they promote everything from BLM, to climate change propaganda, to gender identity politics and anti-gun messaging.

Why would leftists target something as frivolous as comic book heroes? Because pop-culture is first and foremost a playground where children grow up, and by rewriting heroes as social justice crusaders and communists they hope to indoctrinate the next generation.

However, one hero figure in particular is seen as so egregious and so triggering that leftists want him memory-holed altogether – The Punisher.

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The Punisher character (Frank Castle), originally created by writer Gerry Conway in 1974 with artists Ross Andru and John Romita, was a product of a chaotic era; a reaction to the rise of war, stagflation, instability and exploding crime rates in the US. The Punisher's story is a tragedy of a returning military veteran whose family is killed during what seems to be a gangland hit. With federal agencies doing little to arrest the perpetrators, Castle takes matters into his own hands and begins systematically assassinating the criminals.

The concept of citizen crime stopping and vigilantism was becoming popular in the cultural zeitgeist in the 70s, with many people living in metropolitan areas dealing with increasing criminal violence and unreliable government protection. City governments in places like New York were actively restricting gun rights for law abiding people, which only made things easier for criminals.

The same exact conditions are returning to the US today, and debate is boiling once again on vigilantes (just look at the media fury over Kyle Rittenhouse or Daniel Penny). The mainstream left is adamantly opposed to any form of civilian intervention (unless it's Antifa or BLM), while also being adamantly opposed to any intervention by police. In other words, they want to let criminals run wild and then threaten to prosecute anyone who dares to do anything about it.

The Punisher as an icon has been highly popular among conservatives, military veterans and law enforcement officers in recent years. The trademark skull symbol can be found everywhere, with patches, gear and flags sporting the image, often as a representation of citizens taking matters into their own hands. The symbol was also seen at the January 6th protests.

This has made leftists at Marvel Comics livid. They first attempted to make fundamental changes to the character, including a redesign of his popular skull symbol, as well as taking away his guns and giving him swords in 2021. Instead of fighting against criminal organizations, Frank Castle joins with one, violating his fundamental code of ethics.

This month, though, Marvel officially declared the Punisher persona non grata, eliminating the character as readers know him. Did he go out in a blaze of glory? No, in typical woke fashion Frank Castle is captured by progressive heroes, chained up and forced to go through a struggle session in which he is admonished as a murderer and a terrorist. Marvel even brings the Punisher's wife back from the dead, only so that she can divorce him and take his money and property, and then inform him that his lifelong crusade against the criminal underworld was all for nothing.

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The character then “dies” from apparent suicide but the story is left open to his return, just not as the gun-toting hero people know and love.

Marvel writers, including original Punisher creator Gerry Conway, specifically cite the popularity of the character among conservatives as the reason for his virtual elimination. As Newsweek noted, the Punisher was “problematic” for Marvel because conservatives liked him too much. He represents the every-man: He has no superpowers, he's not a billionaire like Batman, but he still fights evil with an immovable will and a lot of guns.

The co-option and erasure of popular heroes (or anti-heroes) is representative of the disturbing politicization of our times. Much like the Cultural Revolution in China, leftist movements in America are systematically tearing down all opposing beliefs from our cultural catalog, and this includes any positive representations of vigilantism. They openly admit why they are doing it; conservatives aren't allowed to be the good guys. They aren't allowed to have heroes. Meaning, if the Punisher was a leftist icon, Marvel would have no problem with him.

 
Wait, what? They, including Marvel leadership, decides to kill off a popular franchise and completely destroy it just because "the wrong people liked it"?

What the fucking hell, you destroy profitable and popular IP just to "own the rightwingers"?
This is insane. Does Marvel not like money?
It'd be hilarious if it weren't so depressing. I read the X-Men through high school, not just what was released at the time, but a massive backlog going back decades courtesy of a friend's father who'd been collecting comics since he was a lad. Huge, huge nostalgia for the X-Men, I've got framed comic art on the walls and multiple boxes of comics I've been dragging around for twenty five years. The current storylines are just political shit, there's no interest in telling a good story, everything has to have a fucking moral.

Marvel having a franchise like Punisher, which has the potential to actually make a profit in a market that is on its knees and then shutting it down is like cutting off a racehorse's leg and then wondering why you've losing the race. Manga exploded on the scene in the late 1990s because people were so fed up with American comics and all the political shit and drama attached to them. Instead of realising that they need to tell better stories, they've spent three decades doubling down as they became more and more irrelevant, and manga just keeps getting bigger by the year. If the Mouse hadn't bought the movie rights to Marvel, I sincerely doubt that Marvel would even exist at this point. It'd be long gone, and its franchises and backlog in the hands of multiple third party companies.
 
Wait, what? They, including Marvel leadership, decides to kill off a popular franchise and completely destroy it just because "the wrong people liked it"?

What the fucking hell, you destroy profitable and popular IP just to "own the rightwingers"?
This is insane. Does Marvel not like money?
The people who like Punisher aren't buying Marvel comics and absolutely are not buying current Marvel stuff. These days their target audience largely seems to be nutcases and a lot of the comics reflect that.
 
The people who like Punisher aren't buying Marvel comics and absolutely are not buying current Marvel stuff. These days their target audience largely seems to be nutcases and a lot of the comics reflect that.
Shame those nutcases don't buy this trash, either.
 
Shame those nutcases don't buy this trash, either.
One of the rare good things many of them do. Means Marvel has to keep sneaking cash out of Disney's wallet.

I look forwards to the various Marvel properties being sold off when Disney is tight on cash.
 
Is there any response from Ennis about this shit? Man both revived and ended the Punisher as a character in his MAX run, easily in my all-time Top 5 of US comics.

My nigga. Probably my favourite arc, next to The Slavers.
I was actually talking about the second run literally titled "PunisherMAX" by Jason Aaron that ended the character as written by Ennis.

Ennis and his run under the MAX imprint is the gold standard IMO. Aaron wrote a good ending with the second run, and it fucking horrifies me to find out just now he was behind this fucking joke of a story arc with Ninjas and shit and cites January 6th as the impetus for it. Guess even faggots can have a good issue once in a while.

I still think the final issue of PunisherMAX is worth reading if you want a "Death of Punisher" story, but otherwise stick to the original MAX imprint run by Garth Ennis since he doesn't feel the need to shoe horn Elektra and Bullseye into shit.

I absolutely detest the idea pushed by modern day comics that killing the bad people who hurt the innocent is somehow morally wrong.
It's not that the Punisher is morally wrong, it's that he's a soldier through and through. (Edit: The bigger idea was that his war was pointless because you can't *stop* crime, only criminals. And that's why I liked the ending Aaron wrote for MAX, because in the end the Frank didn't end crime, but his war wasn't pointless as he inspired others to stand up and fight)

It's necessary that a man who goes on a FORTY YEAR war with crime would be someone who actually enjoys it.

I agree with your stance when it comes to writers making Batman to be as batshit insane as Joker. But Batman is a super hero. Punisher has ALWAYS been an anti hero.

That being said, I didn't like the whole idea of Punisher making a deal with death and shit like that that was presented in Born.
 
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The punisher was great once. It was a horror story to some, a parable to some, and a great ride to others. He's been a veteran, an angel, a reanimated monster, a black man, a savior and jason voorhees. Ennis wrote him best, back when a good story was worth more than the political points one might score with it.

I didnt mind the last arc, it felt like two very separate worlds colliding with him picking up The Hand like he would any other ordinance. And the imagery of him gaining power and purging the worlds he couldn't get to before was fascinating. The writing wasn't great, but I found the art made up for the characterization issues. He'll be back eventually.
 
You just know Social Justice and Wokeness are part of the New Religion when writers, artists and editors are permitted by the publishers and executives to knowingly and purposefully tank a valuable IP to prove their piety against the servants of the New Satan, the CHUDs and January 6ers.
 
Wait, what? They, including Marvel leadership, decides to kill off a popular franchise and completely destroy it just because "the wrong people liked it"?

What the fucking hell, you destroy profitable and popular IP just to "own the rightwingers"?
This is insane. Does Marvel not like money?
No, Marvel hates doing business. That's the curse of Blackrock, it makes businesses into anti-businesses. And Lefties wonder why the economy is shit.
 
Punisher could probably qualify as a character in a Greek tragedy, if you look at him from multiple angles. But that's too complex for the dangerhair retard brigade running things, so they have to destroy him.

What's fascinating is that the commentary about how he was not entirely sane and he was addicted to his war on crime struck me as very accurate. He's not a hero, he never has been. But this kind of treatment is not just inept, it's insulting. But then, this is the same mindset that brought us Hobo Luke Skywalker hiding away in the sequels, so I shouldn't be surprised.
 
So can I take the symbols and character of The Punisher and sell merchandise and comics of him commiting TND? Or is it the usual case where Marvel would still take hold of the IP to sell merchandise to children?
Name one IP that the Mouse has ever let go of.
So.... how long before they do the same thing with batman and bring back his dead parents cause batman is a pro cop vigilante
Batman is one of the Dynamic Duo of DC, and DC knows enough to not fuck with that headliner. Punisher is a B-lister of Marvel.
 
Back when I was a teenager, I read a lot of fanfic. (Hey, books cost money.) This reads like a hatefic, one of those things made by someone that is so assmad about an IP they have to write a story about tormenting the protagonist(s) in some kind of bizarre wish-fulfilment.

I was a fanfic-reading teenager and even back then I thought it was stupid to hatewank onto a sheet of paper and upload it. To see supposed adults do it... I'll cut a kid some slack because they're stupid kids. If you're working a 9 to 5 and still doing it, hell, doing it as part of your job? Nope, you're a lost cause. You not only failed to grow up, you desperately scrabbled about until you found a rathole with enough shelter to allow you to continue to behave like a ten year old writing "MARIO MURDERS SONIC PART 28" .

Open your bughive window and take the express to the ground floor. Even with the sidewalk cleanup costs it'll be a net positive for the world.


So.... how long before they do the same thing with batman and bring back his dead parents cause batman is a pro cop vigilante
It's called Gotham Knights, and it's airing on the CW right now.

(OK, they didn't quite do that but boy do they come close.)
 
Back when I was a teenager, I read a lot of fanfic. (Hey, books cost money.) This reads like a hatefic, one of those things made by someone that is so assmad about an IP they have to write a story about tormenting the protagonist(s) in some kind of bizarre wish-fulfilment.
That's a good comparison, like that Dakari-King Mykan weirdo who prolifically wrote deranged MLP hatefics. Usually this kind of petty, autistic bullshit was limited to basement dwelling rejects. Now you have Disney bankrolling this shit. Whoever would do this should kill himself.

I generally thought it was somewhat dodgy to have vigilantes be straight up portrayed as heroes, although Punisher was always more ambiguous than other cultural icons like Dirty Harry or Death Wish. It was pretty clear he was mentally fucked up on some level. But ultimately, that's just overthinking it. Just watch bad people get the shit beat out of them or worse and cheer for the crazy son of a bitch avenging the victims.

Just don't let these vandal motherfuckers ever get their hands on Rorschach.
 
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