Culture Woke Marvel Eliminates The Punisher Due To "Problematic" Conservative Fan Base - Marvel even brings the Punisher's wife back from the dead, only so that she can divorce him and take his money and property...

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A year ago progressive news outlets were calling the idea of the culture war a “right-wing conspiracy theory” that had no basis in reality. Yet, the injection of far-left politics into entertainment media had already started years previous, with noticeable propaganda efforts in movies, streaming television, children's shows and books, even commercial advertising was replete with progressive ideological imagery by 2016 onward.

The goal is relatively obvious – To erase competing ideals and viewpoints while saturating the market with only one political vision; a woke vision. It's called social engineering, and anyone who claims this is not happening in the US today is gaslighting.

Strangely, the American comic book industry has become a major battleground in the culture war, with heroic symbols being increasingly erased or hijacked as vehicles for woke talking points. A vast array of comic book characters are now race-swapped, converted to LGBT or they have had their histories rewritten to make them more “acceptable for modern audiences.” At the same time, they promote everything from BLM, to climate change propaganda, to gender identity politics and anti-gun messaging.

Why would leftists target something as frivolous as comic book heroes? Because pop-culture is first and foremost a playground where children grow up, and by rewriting heroes as social justice crusaders and communists they hope to indoctrinate the next generation.

However, one hero figure in particular is seen as so egregious and so triggering that leftists want him memory-holed altogether – The Punisher.

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The Punisher character (Frank Castle), originally created by writer Gerry Conway in 1974 with artists Ross Andru and John Romita, was a product of a chaotic era; a reaction to the rise of war, stagflation, instability and exploding crime rates in the US. The Punisher's story is a tragedy of a returning military veteran whose family is killed during what seems to be a gangland hit. With federal agencies doing little to arrest the perpetrators, Castle takes matters into his own hands and begins systematically assassinating the criminals.

The concept of citizen crime stopping and vigilantism was becoming popular in the cultural zeitgeist in the 70s, with many people living in metropolitan areas dealing with increasing criminal violence and unreliable government protection. City governments in places like New York were actively restricting gun rights for law abiding people, which only made things easier for criminals.

The same exact conditions are returning to the US today, and debate is boiling once again on vigilantes (just look at the media fury over Kyle Rittenhouse or Daniel Penny). The mainstream left is adamantly opposed to any form of civilian intervention (unless it's Antifa or BLM), while also being adamantly opposed to any intervention by police. In other words, they want to let criminals run wild and then threaten to prosecute anyone who dares to do anything about it.

The Punisher as an icon has been highly popular among conservatives, military veterans and law enforcement officers in recent years. The trademark skull symbol can be found everywhere, with patches, gear and flags sporting the image, often as a representation of citizens taking matters into their own hands. The symbol was also seen at the January 6th protests.

This has made leftists at Marvel Comics livid. They first attempted to make fundamental changes to the character, including a redesign of his popular skull symbol, as well as taking away his guns and giving him swords in 2021. Instead of fighting against criminal organizations, Frank Castle joins with one, violating his fundamental code of ethics.

This month, though, Marvel officially declared the Punisher persona non grata, eliminating the character as readers know him. Did he go out in a blaze of glory? No, in typical woke fashion Frank Castle is captured by progressive heroes, chained up and forced to go through a struggle session in which he is admonished as a murderer and a terrorist. Marvel even brings the Punisher's wife back from the dead, only so that she can divorce him and take his money and property, and then inform him that his lifelong crusade against the criminal underworld was all for nothing.

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The character then “dies” from apparent suicide but the story is left open to his return, just not as the gun-toting hero people know and love.

Marvel writers, including original Punisher creator Gerry Conway, specifically cite the popularity of the character among conservatives as the reason for his virtual elimination. As Newsweek noted, the Punisher was “problematic” for Marvel because conservatives liked him too much. He represents the every-man: He has no superpowers, he's not a billionaire like Batman, but he still fights evil with an immovable will and a lot of guns.

The co-option and erasure of popular heroes (or anti-heroes) is representative of the disturbing politicization of our times. Much like the Cultural Revolution in China, leftist movements in America are systematically tearing down all opposing beliefs from our cultural catalog, and this includes any positive representations of vigilantism. They openly admit why they are doing it; conservatives aren't allowed to be the good guys. They aren't allowed to have heroes. Meaning, if the Punisher was a leftist icon, Marvel would have no problem with him.

 
That's a good comparison, like that Dakari-King Mykan weirdo who prolifically wrote deranged MLP hatefics. Usually this kind of petty, autistic bullshit was limited to basement dwelling rejects. Now you have Disney bankrolling this shit. Whoever would do this should kill himself.

I generally thought it was somewhat dodgy to have vigilantes be straight up portrayed as heroes, although Punisher was always more ambiguous than other cultural icons like Dirty Harry or Death Wish. It was pretty clear he was mentally fucked up on some level. But ultimately, that's just overthinking it. Just watch bad people get the shit beat out of them or worse and cheer for the crazy son of a bitch avenging the victims.

Just don't let these vandal motherfuckers ever get their hands on Rorschach.
Rorshach is DC.
 
That's a good comparison, like that Dakari-King Mykan weirdo who prolifically wrote deranged MLP hatefics. Usually this kind of petty, autistic bullshit was limited to basement dwelling rejects. Now you have Disney bankrolling this shit. Whoever would do this should kill himself.

I generally thought it was somewhat dodgy to have vigilantes be straight up portrayed as heroes, although Punisher was always more ambiguous than other cultural icons like Dirty Harry or Death Wish. It was pretty clear he was mentally fucked up on some level. But ultimately, that's just overthinking it. Just watch bad people get the shit beat out of them or worse and cheer for the crazy son of a bitch avenging the victims.

Just don't let these vandal motherfuckers ever get their hands on Rorschach.
The createor of Rorschach is butt hut people liked him so much. He was trying to portray him as some deranged right winger, which just shows the preferences of normal people when it comes to dealing with criminals. Thankfully, it's way too late to fuck up his character some how. They did some horrible Watchmen comic/tv sequels but I think he was still dead in them.
 
I know I'm kind of being a faggot, but for real, if anyone actually wants to see a REAL ending to the Punisher, go Read PunisherMAX #22. You don't really even need to read the events leading up to it.

Don't buy it cause fuck Marvel, just use read comic online. Read that shit and remember how much they say nobody "gets it" and how fucking awful the character is because he's a vigilante and remember all the bullshit they've supported and the pieces of shit thye've propped up the past 7 years.

And then put all the bullshit of current year aside, and read the final message from Jason Aaron and get and understanding of why comic book stories need to have a concrete ending.
I'm confused, isn't the punisher's family supposed to be dead which is why he becomes the punisher? How did he take them to the park?
 
The punisher was great once. It was a horror story to some, a parable to some, and a great ride to others. He's been a veteran, an angel, a reanimated monster, a black man, a savior and jason voorhees. Ennis wrote him best, back when a good story was worth more than the political points one might score with it.

I didnt mind the last arc, it felt like two very separate worlds colliding with him picking up The Hand like he would any other ordinance. And the imagery of him gaining power and purging the worlds he couldn't get to before was fascinating. The writing wasn't great, but I found the art made up for the characterization issues. He'll be back eventually.
Why do you have any faith in Disney? These people literally banned Uncle Scrooge comics forever. You think they give a shit?
 
Rather they drop him before they rebrand him as a homosexual who hunts transphobes or some dumb shit like they've done with others in the IP.
 
The createor of Rorschach is butt hut people liked him so much. He was trying to portray him as some deranged right winger, which just shows the preferences of normal people when it comes to dealing with criminals.
I don't even know what Alan Moore was thinking with Rorschach. Alan Moore is pissed people like Rorschach for being a deranged rightwinger who hates whores, liberals and homosexuals, but at the same time he is the ONLY hero that fights for completely selfless reasons (as opposed to everyone else doing for money, fun or fame), the only one that doesn't quit when things stop being hunky dory after the keene act, and the only one who thinks humanity has an inherent right to know the truth over elites deciding what's best for them.

Rorschach is unironically the only character that doesn't fall into "Beats up poor people for fun" stereotype all other heroes in the book have.

Like what, are we supposed to side with the rich corporate overlord that wants to kill 3 million people from his office for "the greater good"?
 
I don't even know what Alan Moore was thinking with Rorschach. Alan Moore is pissed people like Rorschach for being a deranged rightwinger who hates whores, liberals and homosexuals, but at the same time he is the ONLY hero that fights for completely selfless reasons (as opposed to everyone else doing for money, fun or fame), the only one that doesn't quit when things stop being hunky dory after the keene act, and the only one who thinks humanity has an inherent right to know the truth over elites deciding what's best for them.

Rorschach is unironically the only character that doesn't fall into "Beats up poor people for fun" stereotype all other heroes in the book have.

Like what, are we supposed to side with the rich corporate overlord that wants to kill 3 million people from his office for "the greater good"?
You're supposed to side with the washed-out cuck that finds out he failed.
 
I'm confused, isn't the punisher's family supposed to be dead which is why he becomes the punisher? How did he take them to the park?

Taking them to the park is what gets them killed, if I have it right.
Depending on who the writer is, the Castle family got caught in a crossfire by accident, were snuffed as witnesses to a hit, or were deliberate targets (I've seen all three IIRC). Regardless: Frank took his family to the park, and they all died -- but he didn't. And that's what sets him on his endless road of revenge.

As I've noted before, it's almost worthy of a Greek tragedy. Or the old saw about when you fight monsters, you have to avoid becoming one yourself.

I have to admit, though, it takes a special kind of bad writing to make the 'empowered by angels' version of Punisher look good by comparison.
 
I'm confused, isn't the punisher's family supposed to be dead which is why he becomes the punisher? How did he take them to the park?
The Punishers backstory is that his family and he get gunned down in Central Park while having a picnic. That's the base line.

In the story I'm talking about, it's revealed that the reason they were having the picnic was because he was planning on leaving them to go fight some more cause he couldn't handle civilian life which adds an extra layer of guilt to his conscious.

In truth, I don't think that bit is really important to the actual issue I'm talking about, as Punisher is already dead in it and it's about the fallout of his death.

It's just the fact that they've tried to beat this whole "he's a killer that enjoys killing" thing twice now that I find pathetic. That was before I realized it was the same writer for both these stories, of course.

I still say the issue I'm talking about is a decent "Punishers dead" story. It beats the hell out of him having his wife berate him and basically just being like "OMG I suck I'mma banish myself to another reality"
 
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Rorschach is unironically the only character that doesn't fall into "Beats up poor people for fun" stereotype all other heroes in the book have.
Because Moore is an excellent writer who creates compelling characters, even when he's writing a parody of Steve Ditko's Objectivist characters to criticize superhero comics specifically.

Whether or not Moore likes it, Rorschach is the only actual hero in all of Watchmen, at least of the capes.
Like what, are we supposed to side with the rich corporate overlord that wants to kill 3 million people from his office for "the greater good"?
No, that guy is pretty obviously intended to be an asshole.
 
Too bad McFarlane is a woke faggot now too.
As much as i like the first 80 odd issues of Spawn i still have to say McFarlane always was a too-full-of-himself faggot, dude is completly insufferable any time he opens his mouth.

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That being said, I didn't like the whole idea of Punisher making a deal with death and shit like that that was presented in Born.
Really? I loved that shit, "Born" in general is a great origin story. I have a soft spot for Ennis' Punisher run, it was what got me back into reading US comics, so i'm not as critical about much of the stuff happening in MAX that i would be more critical about in other comics. "The Cell" i thought was excellent, too, same for "The End", that one mainly because of the top-tier artwork by Corben.
 
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Why do you have any faith in Disney?
Who says I do? It's entirely possible that they'll run it into the ground and sell it to someone else.

You don't think there'll be a pendulum swing in the other direction eventually? Doom and gloom gets fucking tiring. This DEI shit isn't sustainable. Eventually good story will take priority again, somewhere.
 
The prospects of the new Punisher show (with Jon Bernthal reprising the role) are not looking good...
 
Too bad. He'd make a great Punisher.
There's already a show. It was on Netflix. 1st season was fucking amazing with Bernthal as the Punisher. 2nd season.... Has issues but is mostly good if you can look past some really bad storytelling.

I meant that Disney is bringing it back and it's looking like a Hulu exclusive if the rumors are true. But with this recent news, and in addition to the new DareDevil show (which is also looking to be severely dumbed down in comparison to the Netflix show), it's not looking good.

I know Netflix is shit now and I get that. But The Punisher and DareDevil were two fucking amazing shows. And I say that as someone who has lost all interest in capeshit.
 
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