Culture Why don’t straight men read novels? - Men often read non-fiction books in the name of self-improvement – but many are reluctant to pick up works of fiction

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Dazed (Archive) - July 22, 2024
by, Georgina Elliot

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Alex, 24, thinks reading for pleasure is a waste of time. Instead, he reads to learn about current affairs, maths, and Black history. Similarly, Finn*, 24, has only read one fictional book outside of his childhood. “I don’t really find the time to read, but if I do, it’s usually non-fiction,” he says.

Alex and Finn* both feel compelled to make ‘good’ use of their time – ‘good’ being a capitalist innuendo for ‘productive’. In our increasingly time-poor, grind-obsessed hellscape — 7-9 gym, 9-5 work, and 5-9 side hustle — coming up for air from being a cog and curling up with a novel just because you want to is a borderline sensual pleasure. “Our culture makes a fetish of practical outcomes, and perhaps because the outcomes of fiction-reading don’t patently lead to higher wages, it seems less worthy,” says Suzanne Keen, Professor of English at Scripps College.

Generally speaking, reading is an indulgence that women permit themselves more than men. In 2022, Deloitte predicted boys and men would continue to spend less time reading books and read them less frequently than women and girls. They were right: in 2023, women made up 80 per cent of the book-buying market in the UK, US, and Canada, and accounted for 65 per cent of all fiction purchases in the UK according to Nielson BookData. The bookish man is a rare species. Case in point: 1.2 million people follow the @hotdudesreading Instagram.

Meanwhile, masculinity continues to be in crisis. Men between the ages of 18 and 34 feel the most pressure of any generation to conform to ‘masculine’ behaviours. In the absence of a positive blueprint of how to exist in the post-MeToo world, a community of podcasting ‘manfluencers’, including ex-navy SEALs Jocko Willink and David Goggins and neuroscientist Dr Andrew Hubermann, have rushed in to promote their idea of what masculinity should look like. Self-improvement, ambition, and ‘growth mindsets’ are the banner messaging of this male-coded media world where Andrew Tate reigns supreme and the aim of the game is to optimise every waking moment to become a financially successful ‘sigma’. Doubtless many men enjoy the fact that reading non-fiction gives them an excuse to peacock their newfound knowledge and mansplain their latest read to their next Hinge date, too (bonus points if it’s Capitalist Realism).

This idea of the hyper-capitalist man with no time for something as ‘pointless’ as reading began to take root in the Victorian era. In the 19th century, reading novels developed a reputation as a frivolous and feminised activity as bourgeois women, imprisoned in the private sphere, took up reading bodice-ripping paperbacks as a pastime. Conversely, ‘serious men’ of the public sphere incubated capitalist messaging: any interest in reading had to be justified by practical utility. While for most of British history, men’s literacy rates far outstripped women’s, by 1900 literacy was actually more diffused among women. As author Leah Price put it in her book How to Do Things with Nooks in Victorian Britain: “Once a sign of economic power, reading is now the province of those whose time lacks market value.”

It is a cultural hangover that persists. A “cult of productivity is still imposed more on men than women,” says Dr Alistair Brown, Assistant Professor of Digital Humanities and Modern Literature at Durham University. “[Non-fiction] seems to have more immediate or meaningful returns on the investment of time.” Consequently, men buy more: in 2023, men accounted for 55 per cent of non-fiction book sales, Nielsen BookData tells Dazed.

Today’s problem also has its roots in the gender encampments of childhood. Boys are less likely to have male reading role models and are generally nudged by parents, teachers, and product marketers in the direction of other pastimes, particularly sports. By comparison, girls are encouraged to read and have a model of peer-to-peer engagement through their mums’ book clubs. So, naturally, girls spend more time reading and reading fiction than boys. This is, as ever, an intersectional issue: boys on free school meals read less than anyone else.

By the time their tween years swings around, a line is firmly drawn. Chris*, 21, who has recently completed his second fiction book in ten years, said he stopped reading at the age of 11 despite previously being a fan of fantasy books because he had “better things to do.” Naturally, such a stereotype cannibalises itself and ends up being reflected by the market. Young adult fiction is the near-total domain of the teenage girl — including what is made, marketed, sold, and read.

As we cut off the legs off future readers, “our culture closes off opportunities for boys and men,” says Professor Keen, who is also an expert in narrative empathy. “Consciously or not [we promote] a model of masculinity that is less introspective, less attuned to others, and less contemplative.”

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Could reading stories offer an alternative route through the masculinity crisis? By creating “a safe space for allowing oneself to feel, with no strings attached,” Professor Keen suggests that reading fiction is the diametric opposite of the stale stoicism of the manosphere. It is a form of immersion therapy that demands you be present and forget yourself to a meditative end. You also become “part of a community,” which “helps you build mental companions as a bulwark against loneliness.” Accordingly, there are measurable mental health benefits such as lower stress levels, higher self-esteem, and lower rates of depression.

If men read, it helps society at large. Reading fiction opens your eyes to uncomfortable truths and unexpected perspectives that you may otherwise not have sought out. Books can surprise you by “smuggling in knowledge through the backdoor of an enjoyable and engaging story,” increasing the possibility of critical thinking when encountering the topic again, according to Dr Brown. When you read, you practice perspective-taking, adopting the inner lives of characters as your own and walking around in their shoes – something there isn’t time for with the visual immediacy of other media like film.

Reading fiction ultimately leaves you feeling full up, a stark contrast to self-improvement imperatives that demand you be more than you already are. Carving out time for such a creative pursuit “refreshes the spirit and expands our sense of possibilities,” says Professor Keen. And in case it isn’t obvious, this is a valuable use of time for men too. Men are not inert vessels for potential economic capital that needs to be squeezed out. So instead of retreating further into the hollow temple of productivity, might we suggest a prescribed course of Fourth Wing for all?

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I wish I could, but I've never been able to pull that off.

Unlike the lefty wokescolds? I don't demand they be censored/unpersoned for it.

Or demand others boycott them.

But despite my best efforts, knowing the author is a whack-job negatively affects my ability to enjoy something they wrote going forward.

Slightly, but, it's still there.

Just the way my circuits are wired, I guess.
It took me awhile to get there to be honest. I think a lot of it was hanging out with people after I moved who were less tuned into the faggotry.
 
I don't think lack of Marxism or too much Andrew Tate are to blame for men not reading fiction. I love to read good fiction but that often comes down to reading/re-reading dead authors I like. I read H.P. Lovecraft's collected fiction recently, for example. I had never read all of his stories and this Kindle collection I found even had his rough early work. It was fun to follow the stories chronologically and watch his style and story ideas develop and mature. I've been buying old issues of Analog and other science fiction and fantasy magazines by the lot from eBay. I love that stuff.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm reading a lot of good fiction, just not the kind of stories that snarky, man-hating Marxist bitch who wrote the article might find appealing.
 
I can’t speak for all straight men, but for me personally it’s just because novels don’t have much to offer me. Whenever I read books, there’s a reason for it like when I read history books so that I can learn more about my ancestors and how Western civilization was built. Fiction can’t really do anything comparable so I have no reason to waste time reading it.
 
Academics, activists, and everyone who fancies themselves an intellectual.


Even if it hasn't gotten worse, there's a miasma around literature in all it's forms today in that we assume we're going to be bombarded by insufferable wokeness, so a lot of people just steer clear.

I haven't been to a bookstore in a while for fear that authors I've been following will suddenly join the Dark Side and put a permanent dark cloud over a large portion of my bookcase.... better to just not know the details.
With actual academics it makes sense. It's for their job.

I think the funniest shit is some art hoe talking about reading Marx and it's obvious that she has no brain cells active.

Almost all the writers I read did their work pre-1990. Like, I know Moorcock's a bit of a commie/anarchist, but his work stands before political sperging and I respect that. I know the Futurians were a group of '30s-'40s era sci-fi writers that had some commie ideals, but their work largely speaks for itself and rises above politsperging.
I spent some time developing the skill of divorcing the modern person from their previous work.

King comes to mind. Most of his stuff does not hold up for me but I really like some of his stuff. I read The Langoliers from Four Past Midnight now and then to revisit. I am not going to let that fuckwad ruin something that I really enjoy.

Same with De Niro. I am not going to stop enjoying Good Fellas because he is a giant faggot now.
I think this is a fine mindset, but I won't blame someone for not being able to look past the artist as they are now.
I wish I could, but I've never been able to pull that off.

Unlike the lefty wokescolds? I don't demand they be censored/unpersoned for it.

Or demand others boycott them.

But despite my best efforts, knowing the author is a whack-job negatively affects my ability to enjoy something they wrote going forward.

Slightly, but, it's still there.

Just the way my circuits are wired, I guess.
I just wanna read good stuff and I want it to be more widely circulated. I was more Edgar Rice Burroughs and Robert E. Howard and Michael Moorcock and Zane Grey to be in active circulation.
It took me awhile to get there to be honest. I think a lot of it was hanging out with people after I moved who were less tuned into the faggotry.
Yeah turns out normal dudes ain't opposed to reading a lot of the time. It's just that a lot of them got turned off it initially due to shitty teachers or due to wokescolds.

I can’t speak for all straight men, but for me personally it’s just because novels don’t have much to offer me. Whenever I read books, there’s a reason for it like when I read history books so that I can learn more about my ancestors and how Western civilization was built. Fiction can’t really do anything comparable so I have no reason to waste time reading it.
I've been meaning to get back into reading history but I can't figure out what book on Ancient Rome would be engaging enough. I should probably ask this in one of the reading threads though.

I uh, hear Isaac Asimov wrote a big bunch of history books. Wonder if they're worthwhile.

I don't think lack of Marxism or too much Andrew Tate are to blame for men not reading fiction. I love to read good fiction but that often comes down to reading/re-reading dead authors I like. I read H.P. Lovecraft's collected fiction recently, for example. I had never read all of his stories and this Kindle collection I found even had his rough early work. It was fun to follow the stories chronologically and watch his style and story ideas develop and mature. I've been buying old issues of Analog and other science fiction and fantasy magazines by the lot from eBay. I love that stuff.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm reading a lot of good fiction, just not the kind of stories that snarky, man-hating Marxist bitch who wrote the article might find appealing.

Lovecraft's works are conveniently available in collections now. I'm presuming you're also having fun with the old Weird Tales magazine writers like Howard, Smith, and Quinn.

You know what's a good thing to try out? Just grabbing old sci-fi/etc genre anthologies with short fiction. I've got a bunch. The Sci-Fi Hall of Fame trio, the Dangerous Visions books, the Marvin Kaye edited Dark Tales of the [XYZ], The Best of [etc].

Good stuff. Like it a lot. I'll admit that I don't go out of my way to buy old Analog/Galaxy/etc. mags or used mass market paperbacks online because resellers don't often price them right.

Thankfully the science fiction book club's editions don't have barcodes so retards don't grab them unless it's by a very famous author. I try to get hardcovers at cheap prices. Been lucky so far.

I've been able to point at solid woman writers when prodded but they're never ones who wrote about "diaspora" or romance or just any of this shit. Leigh Brackett was a leading golden age SF writer who wrote tons of space operas, planetary romances (think. . . John Carter meets Han Solo), and even had a classic novel in The Long Tomorrow. She worked in Hollywood and wrote a lot of films I like, such as Hatari. Hell, her last piece was the script for a little movie called The Empire Strikes Back. C. L. Moore was another good woman writer. Her debut work was praised by Lovecraft himself. She wrote a female sword and sorcery heroine and spent a long time just collaborating with her husband. She's a damned good read. Andre Norton's another good longtime SF/F writer that noone acknowledges unless you're a fan. Zenna Hendersen too. Judith Merill, etc.

I'd reckon the reason why they've been kinda semi-forgotten outside of sci-fi/fantasy aficionados is largely because you can't really label them as "feminist." You could label Octavia Butler, Ursula K. le Guin, Marion Zimmer Bradley, and all the ones that came after them as "feminist" for one reason or another. (Largely because they'd often play their cards right, I reckon)

and, again, I don't have a problem with the writers in which being labeled feminist/etc as a tertiary thing. in my opinion, you gotta be a good writer and storyteller first and foremost. I read a little bit of le Guin and I'll admit, without really musing on her politics, she does seem to have a good first impression as a writer. I read Butler for college. Didn't care for her politics or the angle, but her writing is fine. Wouldn't read her again. Couldn't stand Atwood's storytelling. Etc.

I think that if a writer, or any creative, has to keep attaching identity labels to their writing, then it's gonna turn people off and look like a crutch. Why the fuck would I, a normal man that isn't into the reddit sphere or the weird "alt-right" shit, be interested in using my free time to read something like Margaret Atwood, Isabel Allende, or whatever niggerfaggot is out there that gets shilled and pushed? There's nothing in it that's rewarding for me with the scant exception of maybe doing the reading for a college or high school course.

On the other hand, almost any other book would serve me better. Plato or Machiavelli or Kant would be fulfilling some education on philosophy. I could read Gibbon's series on Rome, or any number of historical texts and memoirs. I could read Dale Carnegie's famous book for free and never have to pay the Andrew Tates of the world.

or, god forbid, I want entertainment. I get told that I'm a chud for not wanting an Assassins' Creed game to be historically revising Japan to be full of niggerfaggots? Fine. I'll just go look for a copy of Shogun or the Tales of the Heike or some shit. If I want literally any genre, I just look up the classics and every "era" of the genre to find something. Want noir? Start with the Chandlers and Hammetts. Want more violent noir? Spillane. Want espionage and spies? 39 Steps, The Bond books, Maughams' spy thrillers. Hell, John le Carre's books are still in circulation. There's an eternally reasonable chance that one can find something they're into at any used bookstore, library bookstore, or otherwise.

I don't consider myself well-read. Compared to the people who mentored me, I'm a dilettante at best by their standards. I just know a tiny bit about a wide range of topics, but I'm only really interested in what I enjoy or have to work with. Almost all of what I read is stuff that was considered for the layman 70-80 years ago.
 
I've been meaning to get back into reading history but I can't figure out what book on Ancient Rome would be engaging enough. I should probably ask this in one of the reading threads though.

I uh, hear Isaac Asimov wrote a big bunch of history books. Wonder if they're worthwhile.
I’m not sure what era of Roman history you are interested in because that topic is huge, but Italy and Her Invaders by Thomas Hodgkin is a hidden gem somehow never talked about. It was written in the late 1800’s and focuses on Italy during the barbarian invasions from Alaric and the Visigoths to Charlemagne and the Franks. His prose is fantastic and it was hard to put down at times. A brief word of caution in that he can get carried away with autistic rants about inconsequential topics, but it’s overall a 10/10 read in my humble opinion. I’ve never read anything by Isaac Asimov so I can’t speak for him.
 
Well all I've been reading is anime Visual Novel shit. And I even lack the patience for that. Steins;Gate on the Xbox was pretty nice though have to admit.
 
Know who else tries to limit what people read? Totalitarian dictatorships.
I am totally fine with limiting people's ability to read garbage like the works of Marquis de Sade, sexology crap, historical crank bullshit like black Athena and tartaria retardation, books on how to cut people's dicks off and gaslight them into thinking they are a man, cut the skin off women's forearm and mutilate their vagina with a meat stick fake peanuts and gaslight them into thinking they are a man.
 
I’m not sure what era of Roman history you are interested in because that topic is huge, but Italy and Her Invaders by Thomas Hodgkin is a hidden gem somehow never talked about. It was written in the late 1800’s and focuses on Italy during the barbarian invasions from Alaric and the Visigoths to Charlemagne and the Franks. His prose is fantastic and it was hard to put down at times. A brief word of caution in that he can get carried away with autistic rants about inconsequential topics, but it’s overall a 10/10 read in my humble opinion. I’ve never read anything by Isaac Asimov so I can’t speak for him.
I'm thinking more on the famous stuff and then working into the more non-famous stuff.

Asimov's more famous as a science fiction writer, but the Good Doctor wrote 500 books on every topic barring like, philosophy and psychology. While he was a mensa member and a PhD, he's gonna be remembered for being the big science fiction writer even if he allegedly shares a pedestal with Clarke and Heinlein.
Well all I've been reading is anime Visual Novel shit. And I even lack the patience for that. Steins;Gate on the Xbox was pretty nice though have to admit.
I've been meaning to read the funny 4chan VN about disabled chicks.
I am totally fine with limiting people's ability to read garbage like the works of Marquis de Sade, sexology crap, historical crank bullshit like black Athena and tartaria retardation, books on how to cut people's dicks off and gaslight them into thinking they are a man, cut the skin off women's forearm and mutilate their vagina with a meat stick fake peanuts and gaslight them into thinking they are a man.

I think the Tartaria stuff should be kept but with the caveat that it's speculative fiction. Marquis de Sade was garbage and there's not really anything worthwhile.

Everything else belongs in a bonfire. The germans did it for the sex clinic in the 1920s.
 
I read a bunch of fiction when I was younger...but I'll grant I've mostly gone back to wells already tapped for that later in life, rather than doing any investment in more recent offerings. Lovecraft is still excellent and I don't even have to buy that to read it.

Plus, more recent offerings clearly aren't for me, so I took a hint.

I should probably try reading that 20 pound tome Nabakov wrote where like 1/3 of the dialog was in untranslated french which caused me to give up on almost immediately when I was like 16, good to tie up loose ends. :story:
Another man tries and fails. Nabokov is fun in that you have to read every fucking word or you miss something, but you have to ask yourself if you sincerely care.

I don’t, hence why I also didn’t finish it. Theres no guilt in DNFing a book. You’re a grown man, read what you want to.
 
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(What's a way to summarize that without going too far into NSFL realm?)
sexology is just the field of study where jews tell you its okay to be a faggot and that you should cut your dick off and call yourself a girl. nazi germany set the transgender movement back 80 years when they destroyed the sexology clinic in berlin, burning all the books contained therin.
 
Meanwhile, masculinity continues to be in crisis. Men between the ages of 18 and 34 feel the most pressure of any generation to conform to ‘masculine’ behaviours. In the absence of a positive blueprint of how to exist in the post-MeToo world, a community of podcasting ‘manfluencers’, including ex-navy SEALs Jocko Willink and David Goggins and neuroscientist Dr Andrew Hubermann, have rushed in to promote their idea of what masculinity should look like. Self-improvement, ambition, and ‘growth mindsets’ are the banner messaging of this male-coded media world where Andrew Tate reigns supreme and the aim of the game is to optimise every waking moment to become a financially successful ‘sigma’. Doubtless many men enjoy the fact that reading non-fiction gives them an excuse to peacock their newfound knowledge and mansplain their latest read to their next Hinge date, too (bonus points if it’s Capitalist Realism).

Every fucking article is written by a feminist gender studies grad and yet they are always asking "Why do men turn away from thing..." Because of you. You ruined it all you disingenuous, manipulative, fucking hags. We used to have Pulp Sci-Fi and we used to have LOTR and 40K and then we made the horrible mistake of not slamming the proverbial gate in women's faces and now we have this. The corpo's just really needed that demographic, they just had to push all of their PC politics, their hang-ups, their token representation, anything for an audience that doesn't even show up. Gender special space crusaders, Galadriel The 95lb Troll Slayer, The power of one, the power of two.... The power of TAAAAAMPAAAX.

Men aren't reading fiction because you coopted all the awards to push DEI bullshit, I don't even know what to read that isn't on the goddamn Murdoch list. It's to the point where I just want to read the Turner Diaries because man that is the fantasy at this point.
 
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There's one of two reason:
1) Public schooling completely sucked the fun and enjoyment out of reading
2) Most of what is popular at the moment is complete wastes of paper
 
Another man tries and fails. Nabokov is fun in that you have to read every fucking word or you miss something, but you have to ask yourself if you sincerely care.

I don’t, hence why I also didn’t finish it. Theres no guilt in DNFing a book. You’re a grown man, read what you want to.
I read Lolita for college once and that book was so fucking skin-crawling to read.

Every fucking article is written by a feminist gender studies grad and yet they are always asking "Why do men turn away from thing..." Because of you. You ruined it all you disingenuous, manipulative, fucking hags. We used to have Pulp Sci-Fi and we used to have LOTR and 40K and then we made the horrible mistake of not slamming the proverbial gate in women's faces and now we have this. The corpo's just really needed that demographic, they just had to push all of their PC politics, their hang-ups, their token representation, anything for an audience that doesn't even show up. Gender special space crusaders, Galadriel The 95lb Troll Slayer, The power of one, the power of two.... The power of TAAAAAMPAAAX.

Men aren't reading fiction because you coopted all the awards to push DEI bullshit, I don't even know what to read that isn't on the goddamn Murdoch list. It's to the point where I just want to read the Turner Diaries because man that is the fantasy at this point.
They seem to think "ugh if only they could see it from my side, then things would be solved" and then fail to see that it's impossible for men to do that unless they're severely mentally fucked up.

I hate the DEI co-opting because it's turned every award and recommendation list into nothing but slop that I'm largely not into. I'll just take my time and go buy a copy of the Ray Bradbury Stories published by Everyman's Library and then decide if I really want to shell out for the Library of America volumes. I know Bradbury's worth my time, I like the genres he writes in and it's a guaranteed worthwhile use of my leisure.

Why would I buy Shaniqua Manhater's book that's just YA power fantasy with sex and cussing and hating on normal dudes. I'd rather take my 15 bucks and buy a different book.

Like, fuck me, do they not understand that they're not entitled to an audience? They can get rigged all they want into awards and reviews. It won't mean shit if there's no audience buying their crap.

Anyways I feel sorry for Warhammer bros. You really shoulda kept a tighter gate on that because women really don't care about anything that made it appealing.
There's one of two reason:
1) Public schooling completely sucked the fun and enjoyment out of reading
2) Most of what is popular at the moment is complete wastes of paper

Public Schools are forced to a district approved curriculum and a lot of teachers get burnout after like 5 years. Add the laptop-ization of the american schoolroom and you get a recipe for why shit doesn't happen.


They're trying to push comics but it's too late. Kids can tell when it's goyslop that's talking down to them. Most kids are just phoning it in and going for whatever stimulates their dopamine receptors at that very moment.


You can still save them and get them into reading, but the issue is just that the schools go at the pace of the most retarded kid in class.



It's a shame we don't have a lot of passionate teachers any more, but they're just glorified tard wranglers now. They're paid to babysit kids and make the grades look as good as they can, ensuring the kids graduate and get them the government kickbacks.
 
Every single time I walk into a physical bookstore I am greeted by walls of smut targeted at women, incomparable fagshit, ridiculous quantities of pretentious self-help books, zombie apocalypse series 15 novels long, and other assorted garbage. Last time I looked at the classics section of the closest bookstore to me I was greeted with a feminist retelling of Homer and a bunch of actual classics marred by being printed on paper so thin that they fell apart as I tried to pick them up. And increasingly public libraries near me are turning into the same.
 
Every single time I walk into a physical bookstore I am greeted by walls of smut targeted at women, incomparable fagshit, ridiculous quantities of pretentious self-help books, zombie apocalypse series 15 novels long, and other assorted garbage. Last time I looked at the classics section of the closest bookstore to me I was greeted with a feminist retelling of Homer and a bunch of actual classics marred by being printed on paper so thin that they fell apart as I tried to pick them up. And increasingly public libraries near me are turning into the same.

I don't get why my public library keeps putting penguin classics in their library bookstore. Not complaining as I grab them, but you'd think they'd keep those and not the copies of YA books.


Also 99% of self-help books are kinda the same shit or just useless. I'm so fucking tired of those.

Also holy fuck I'm not the only one who saw the feminist retelling of Homer? God I thought I was actually tripping lmfao.

At this rate I'm contemplating just refurnishing the missing volumes of "the great books" that got lost in the moves and then just buying a few ebay lots of penguin classics/etc. for cheap that have stuff we're missing. I may be in a poorfag household, but by god books last.
 
I got really into Hornfischer's naval history books a bit ago, and I can't recommend them enough. If you only pick up one, get "The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors". Shame about his passing, he was a hell of a writer/historian.

I know that Jews aren't popular around here, but another recommendation I'd make is "The Yiddish Policeman's Union". Alt-history where that one proposal to take all of Germany's Jews and put them in a chunk of Alaska went through, and then after the war ended the nascent Israel was crushed by the locals. Otherwise it's a hard-boiled noir thing and I really like it.

That's the thing about reading as a hobby, you have to read a little of everything I think. You can favor one, god knows I like my trashy genre fiction, but I make sure to add biographies and histories and magazines and etc in there too. I went from Star Wars to Civil War general biographies to Conan, just whatever was looking nice on the shelf when it was time for something new to read on break.
 
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