Culture Why don’t straight men read novels? - Men often read non-fiction books in the name of self-improvement – but many are reluctant to pick up works of fiction

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Dazed (Archive) - July 22, 2024
by, Georgina Elliot

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Alex, 24, thinks reading for pleasure is a waste of time. Instead, he reads to learn about current affairs, maths, and Black history. Similarly, Finn*, 24, has only read one fictional book outside of his childhood. “I don’t really find the time to read, but if I do, it’s usually non-fiction,” he says.

Alex and Finn* both feel compelled to make ‘good’ use of their time – ‘good’ being a capitalist innuendo for ‘productive’. In our increasingly time-poor, grind-obsessed hellscape — 7-9 gym, 9-5 work, and 5-9 side hustle — coming up for air from being a cog and curling up with a novel just because you want to is a borderline sensual pleasure. “Our culture makes a fetish of practical outcomes, and perhaps because the outcomes of fiction-reading don’t patently lead to higher wages, it seems less worthy,” says Suzanne Keen, Professor of English at Scripps College.

Generally speaking, reading is an indulgence that women permit themselves more than men. In 2022, Deloitte predicted boys and men would continue to spend less time reading books and read them less frequently than women and girls. They were right: in 2023, women made up 80 per cent of the book-buying market in the UK, US, and Canada, and accounted for 65 per cent of all fiction purchases in the UK according to Nielson BookData. The bookish man is a rare species. Case in point: 1.2 million people follow the @hotdudesreading Instagram.

Meanwhile, masculinity continues to be in crisis. Men between the ages of 18 and 34 feel the most pressure of any generation to conform to ‘masculine’ behaviours. In the absence of a positive blueprint of how to exist in the post-MeToo world, a community of podcasting ‘manfluencers’, including ex-navy SEALs Jocko Willink and David Goggins and neuroscientist Dr Andrew Hubermann, have rushed in to promote their idea of what masculinity should look like. Self-improvement, ambition, and ‘growth mindsets’ are the banner messaging of this male-coded media world where Andrew Tate reigns supreme and the aim of the game is to optimise every waking moment to become a financially successful ‘sigma’. Doubtless many men enjoy the fact that reading non-fiction gives them an excuse to peacock their newfound knowledge and mansplain their latest read to their next Hinge date, too (bonus points if it’s Capitalist Realism).

This idea of the hyper-capitalist man with no time for something as ‘pointless’ as reading began to take root in the Victorian era. In the 19th century, reading novels developed a reputation as a frivolous and feminised activity as bourgeois women, imprisoned in the private sphere, took up reading bodice-ripping paperbacks as a pastime. Conversely, ‘serious men’ of the public sphere incubated capitalist messaging: any interest in reading had to be justified by practical utility. While for most of British history, men’s literacy rates far outstripped women’s, by 1900 literacy was actually more diffused among women. As author Leah Price put it in her book How to Do Things with Nooks in Victorian Britain: “Once a sign of economic power, reading is now the province of those whose time lacks market value.”

It is a cultural hangover that persists. A “cult of productivity is still imposed more on men than women,” says Dr Alistair Brown, Assistant Professor of Digital Humanities and Modern Literature at Durham University. “[Non-fiction] seems to have more immediate or meaningful returns on the investment of time.” Consequently, men buy more: in 2023, men accounted for 55 per cent of non-fiction book sales, Nielsen BookData tells Dazed.

Today’s problem also has its roots in the gender encampments of childhood. Boys are less likely to have male reading role models and are generally nudged by parents, teachers, and product marketers in the direction of other pastimes, particularly sports. By comparison, girls are encouraged to read and have a model of peer-to-peer engagement through their mums’ book clubs. So, naturally, girls spend more time reading and reading fiction than boys. This is, as ever, an intersectional issue: boys on free school meals read less than anyone else.

By the time their tween years swings around, a line is firmly drawn. Chris*, 21, who has recently completed his second fiction book in ten years, said he stopped reading at the age of 11 despite previously being a fan of fantasy books because he had “better things to do.” Naturally, such a stereotype cannibalises itself and ends up being reflected by the market. Young adult fiction is the near-total domain of the teenage girl — including what is made, marketed, sold, and read.

As we cut off the legs off future readers, “our culture closes off opportunities for boys and men,” says Professor Keen, who is also an expert in narrative empathy. “Consciously or not [we promote] a model of masculinity that is less introspective, less attuned to others, and less contemplative.”

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Could reading stories offer an alternative route through the masculinity crisis? By creating “a safe space for allowing oneself to feel, with no strings attached,” Professor Keen suggests that reading fiction is the diametric opposite of the stale stoicism of the manosphere. It is a form of immersion therapy that demands you be present and forget yourself to a meditative end. You also become “part of a community,” which “helps you build mental companions as a bulwark against loneliness.” Accordingly, there are measurable mental health benefits such as lower stress levels, higher self-esteem, and lower rates of depression.

If men read, it helps society at large. Reading fiction opens your eyes to uncomfortable truths and unexpected perspectives that you may otherwise not have sought out. Books can surprise you by “smuggling in knowledge through the backdoor of an enjoyable and engaging story,” increasing the possibility of critical thinking when encountering the topic again, according to Dr Brown. When you read, you practice perspective-taking, adopting the inner lives of characters as your own and walking around in their shoes – something there isn’t time for with the visual immediacy of other media like film.

Reading fiction ultimately leaves you feeling full up, a stark contrast to self-improvement imperatives that demand you be more than you already are. Carving out time for such a creative pursuit “refreshes the spirit and expands our sense of possibilities,” says Professor Keen. And in case it isn’t obvious, this is a valuable use of time for men too. Men are not inert vessels for potential economic capital that needs to be squeezed out. So instead of retreating further into the hollow temple of productivity, might we suggest a prescribed course of Fourth Wing for all?

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I'm more concerned about boys not reading novels rather than grown men. I noticed that less-successful or disgruntled guys often complain about lacking a role model when growing up. Personally, I think that novels could provide them with one.
One thing that my country's education system did well is that they gave us absolute BANGER literature to read during our formative years. The ones I remember leaving a deep impact on me were Turgenev's Fathers and Sons, Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment, Goethe's Sorrows of Young Werther, Schiller's Robbers, de la Barca's Life is a Dream, Edgar Allan Poe's short stories and many more. I treat literature like I treat video games, most of the shit created today is bland, boring, uninspired sloppa, so why the fuck should I bother with it when there are so many old games that I've never played and enough of them were created to last me a lifetime? This is even more true for literature as it's a medium that has existed for thousands of years and has exponentially more to offer when it comes to good, worthwile works to spend your free time with.
 
walked through a shopping center with a Barnes and Noble in it earlier this year. Down the hall from the bookshop was one of those tall light up kiosk ads for it. It showed a couple of books with absolutely repellant titles- something BDSM-adjacent but twee. And the ad tag line was something like "need something SPICY for this summer?"
Figured I'd add this Twitter post, as it wraps up the arrogance of these people quite nicely:
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And if you're wondering what that person writes, here's an example:
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Coming to a literature thread near you.
 
I do prefer to read in service of learning but this journo is out to lunch. We get it honey, capitalism le bad. She just jams all self-improvement into a little "sigma grindset make money" box in the most retarded way possible. Reading Jung or Learning German or playing guitar won't help me make money, but it does enrich my life in a way that doesn't ruin my mood or leave me distant from the life I inhabit. So many novels are about miserable people being miserable and I like to fill my brain with enjoyable things that make me happy (excepting the sarcastic joys of shitposting here.)

If I'm going to pick up a fiction book it's usually something different enough from real life to be interesting on a conceptual level.
My most recent fiction read was Accelerando, a pulpy scifi novel about the world as it approaches a technological singularity. It was really fun. I also went on a WH40K kick a while back and Brutal Kunnin was incredibly fun. I need more from the perspective of your average Ork. Inject that shit straight into my veins.

I guess what I'm saying is that if I'm anything like your average male, we want a little bit of action in a truly different setting. No matter how well the prose is constructed, I don't want to read about people talking to each other in new york, feeling sad, and having sex sometimes. I want to read about something I can't do IRL, not dystopia #50123 but somewhere with different rules and modes of being that have only the faintest connection to present day human life.

Plus, there are already a lot of great and meaningful books about sad people being sad by great authors with something to say about the human condition. If I want that I'll read some dostoyevsky or something instead of modern slop-lit.
 
Reading novels is female culture. Men shouldn't read, they should take up more manly hobbies, like working outdoors, earning money for women and dying in wars.
Please tell me you are better at trolling than this?

Coming to a literature thread near you.
That was the most lifeless sex scene I have ever read.
 
Because male have a greater interest in things, the same reason why men are going into MINT fields. Its such a basic fact about human psychology but Journo scum gonne be like "Muh Tabula Rasa" and ignore evolution.
 
What a weird stereotype.

No man has ever read Lord of the Rings? Or what about all those Star Wars novels before it turned into a weird tranny franchise?
I've been spending the past couple years polishing off Sci-Fi authors I've meant to read, just finished off most of Timothy Zahn's work and Disney's retarded for not throwing whatever sums of money at that man. I do prefer Mil Sci-Fi though, so Jason Ansbach and Nick Cole's Galaxy's Edge is basically Star Wars as Mil Sci-Fi, it's pretty good.

A lot of modern novels are crap though, but there's so much older stuff that it should keep people busy for awhile. I think people are served reading both fiction and non-fiction for different reasons, different formats will reach different people and there's a reason why Jesus told parables and such. Basically, if you can, read motherfuckers and always remember that Andrew Tate is a deeply closeted gay man who has a beard to hide his utter lack of a chin. I suppose Romanian prison might fix the former statement though.
 
Reading used to be more of a universal past time, and it's often surprising what people of older generations read. I didn't realize my grandmother named my aunts and mother after characters from Francis Scott novels like "Ivanhoe" until I was an adult and my grandfather had read just about every book on the subject of photography he could find in the library, including intellectual ones like Sontag's until I got to talking with him in his 90s after his stroke.

They were solidly working class people with only diplomas and zero pretension. I didn't even know they read anything at all, as they didn't own many books and I never saw them reading anything other than the newspapers, and magazines on photography and gardening.

I'm a bit older than the usual age demographic of the farms, but yeah, it does seem like there's been some decline of society. I don't think working class people read like that anymore, or if they do, they get college degrees and forget where they came from.
It really did. Hell I suspect it was also because reading was considered worthwhile in itself. Remember, 1984, LoTR, and other books were once considered books for a younger crowd and not necessarily college/grad school tier texts. The Hobbit was a kids book. My dad told me that, once upon a time, having a high school diploma was considered a hell of an achievement and would qualify you to teach anywhere. My ancestor, born circa 1900, obtained a high school diploma and wouldn't shut the fuck up about it for decades.

There's a reason why I despise the lack of diligent parenting in the internet age and the increasing "fuck dead white men" that midwit loonies have been on since 2010. Literature's meant to be a form of entertainment that anyone can access, with different tiers that can touch your heart and provide insight on the human condition. By making it so that they've discouraged normal dudes from reading, they loose something. By making it so that chicks turn into hidden coomers and normalizing this, it becomes an issue. It feels like they're just trying to make reading seem uncool so normies are less likely to do it as a hobby.

Don't get me started on the dumbing down of academia in humanities through the spread of marxist master-slave dialectics.


Paternal grandfather worked in construction as a handyman and was a farmer, he was the most well read man I ever knew. Was always reading some historical novel, western pulp or a national geographic magazine.

As a child used to always watch Jeopardy with my grandparents whenever I spent time over at their house.

They only had a high school education. University / post secondary education means nothing when you see a bunch of dumbasses you know make it through.
Yeah no I've been repeatedly skill-checked by old dudes who worked blue collar. But most of the time they just have fun chatting about it. It's fun and I enjoy that they're not bringing up the obvious in a smug repackaging of muh oppressed XYZ. I just get to listen to them recommend me good books. It's how I wound up giving Herman Wouk a try when I was younger.


One thing that my country's education system did well is that they gave us absolute BANGER literature to read during our formative years. The ones I remember leaving a deep impact on me were Turgenev's Fathers and Sons, Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment, Goethe's Sorrows of Young Werther, Schiller's Robbers, de la Barca's Life is a Dream, Edgar Allan Poe's short stories and many more. I treat literature like I treat video games, most of the shit created today is bland, boring, uninspired sloppa, so why the fuck should I bother with it when there are so many old games that I've never played and enough of them were created to last me a lifetime? This is even more true for literature as it's a medium that has existed for thousands of years and has exponentially more to offer when it comes to good, worthwile works to spend your free time with.
I was lucky to be in a bibliophile's household. I grew up with all of those. Didn't understand Crime and Punishment when I was 10 and tried to read it, but I did wind up reading some translation of Capek's R.U.R. and a bunch of eastern european short fiction. Hell, short fiction was great.

I get tired of vidya and I really just wound up using all my budget for entertainment this year on books and materials for maintaining old books. What's fucking funny is that there's even good "isekai" that exists in the not too distant past. Lafferty's Past Master is a book I'll get to reading soon enough, but the premise of isekai'ing Thomas More into the future to fix a super futuristic planet that runs off his ideals is so fucking amusing to me.

Or reading Herbert's Dune, Zelazny's Lord of Light, Chandler's The Long Goodbye, Hammett's Red Harvest, and so on. Why would I ever play Ubisoft goyslop.


I do prefer to read in service of learning but this journo is out to lunch. We get it honey, capitalism le bad. She just jams all self-improvement into a little "sigma grindset make money" box in the most retarded way possible. Reading Jung or Learning German or playing guitar won't help me make money, but it does enrich my life in a way that doesn't ruin my mood or leave me distant from the life I inhabit. So many novels are about miserable people being miserable and I like to fill my brain with enjoyable things that make me happy (excepting the sarcastic joys of shitposting here.)
Capitalism is le bad unless it benefits her type of person and how they've ruined the cultural discourse.
If I'm going to pick up a fiction book it's usually something different enough from real life to be interesting on a conceptual level.
My most recent fiction read was Accelerando, a pulpy scifi novel about the world as it approaches a technological singularity. It was really fun. I also went on a WH40K kick a while back and Brutal Kunnin was incredibly fun. I need more from the perspective of your average Ork. Inject that shit straight into my veins.
Well to be fair, I have a suspicion that most men pick up fiction for entertainment. Even the guys who read russian lit or Faulkner or Ford Maddox Ford wind up, on some level, doing it for a sense of entertainment. It's also enlightening and can help you out. Never hurts to check more literature out.
I guess what I'm saying is that if I'm anything like your average male, we want a little bit of action in a truly different setting. No matter how well the prose is constructed, I don't want to read about people talking to each other in new york, feeling sad, and having sex sometimes. I want to read about something I can't do IRL, not dystopia #50123 but somewhere with different rules and modes of being that have only the faintest connection to present day human life.

Plus, there are already a lot of great and meaningful books about sad people being sad by great authors with something to say about the human condition. If I want that I'll read some dostoyevsky or something instead of modern slop-lit.

Yes, I got so bored in my college english courses when the women profs would just spend the whole time assigning shit by Jane Austen to a room full of men. I'd just cliffs notes that shit and get good grades otherwise. I think Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights were the only remotely interesting ones.

Gimme some good old sci-fi, pulps, fantasy, detective tales, adventures, and even humorous shit like Jeeves and Wooster. Hell I kinda wanna collect all the P.G. Wodehouse stuff someday.


I get told to go check out all these new reddit approved shows and things with BOSS BABES and DIVERSE CASTS and I just don't wanna waste my time. I've got a century+ of great sci-fi/fantasy to catch up on. If I want a genre shift, there's also a century+ of detective or western novels and multiple centuries of adventures and historical fiction. If I want to play vidya, there's like a hundred JRPGs, dozens of 4x games, and so on. If I want to game with friends, I just hit Left 4 Dead or Deep Rock Galactic.


If I want Capeshit? We've got decades of the stuff. On top of the pulps.


If you’re a straight man with a family you ain’t got time to waste reading shit, so when you do read you reread classics that have stood the test of time.

Or shit you enjoy from your teenage years. Simple as.
Explains why a few of my acquaintances that are dads now wound up just buying a fuckton of Howard and Moorcock.
 
The fiction market for men is anemic. For years, up until the 90's you had pulp novels that men would read. The likes of Tom Clancy, Stephen King, Dean Koontz, Michael Crichton and whatever generic action novel you could get at a drugstore. The market has moved away from that, and with moving away from that bedrock of the crowd pleaser novel, and people have fallen out of the habit.

It has been at least a generation now, where novels published for male tastes have been printed en masse. Even Scifi and fantasy have become like this. That segment of the market has atrophied. So men read book #1000 about the glory of Rome, or some memoir by some spec ops guy about doing situps and making your bed.
I go into a chain bookstore and most of the books I find in the sci-fi and fantasy shelves are part of a series or appear to be interchange with the book next to it.
 
Depends. Are you a fan of classics of an era, of a genre or set of genres, or are you someone who reads anything you like.
yeah but even genres are full of shit that is seen as classics because it was the hot shit for a minute at some point.
Buying a book for young relatives is the worst experience ever. YA is ALL SHIT and all for young adult woman.
I remeber that before potter those books were just better. Im pretty sure i had a book where slavers burned cages to keep people in place...

Yeah no I've been repeatedly skill-checked by old dudes who worked blue collar. But most of the time they just have fun chatting about it. It's fun and I enjoy that they're not bringing up the obvious in a smug repackaging of muh oppressed XYZ.
Construction worker are fascinating. everytime i see them reading they are reading something good.
(you can see that from far away because we have publisher in german that pretty much only publishes old classics and their books are just thin yellow paperbacks).
 
yeah but even genres are full of shit that is seen as classics because it was the hot shit for a minute at some point.
Buying a book for young relatives is the worst experience ever. YA is ALL SHIT and all for young adult woman.
I remeber that before potter those books were just better. Im pretty sure i had a book where slavers burned cages to keep people in place...
When I say classics I mean stuff that's been held up as a classic pre 2000.

In regards to genres I follow what I'm interested in. Sci-Fi has a lot and I google stuff to make sure it's not related to IDPOL shit. Seems to filter out a lot of stuff. The o
Construction worker are fascinating. everytime i see them reading they are reading something good.
(you can see that from far away because we have publisher in german that pretty much only publishes old classics and their books are just thin yellow paperbacks).
It's funny seeing midwits larp as intellectuals because they hecking read marx and related. Or goonette slop. Or "diaspora lit".

I remember being bashed by some uppity faggot in public because I said I enjoyed Robert E. Howard because a lot of people have the misconception that Conan the Barbarian was a barbarian rapist and thug.

I made fun of him for losing the sexual harassment lawsuit he was involved in..
 
It's no more a waste of time than using internet forums dedicated to watching fat people get fatter or documenting the lives of gross trannies.
True, I guess this absurdity is also like reading novels and such. However, the threads that I read are more political and off-topic compared to what this forum was made for. I really don't care about which tranny did what.
 
I was dating this girl who was really into reading and I thought that'd be cool we can read fantasy books together and Oh my God women read the trashiest dime store novels hold on let me find one

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I was dating this girl who was really into reading and I thought that'd be cool we can read fantasy books together and Oh my God women read the trashiest dime store novels hold on let me find one

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this sounds so incredibly bad but you can't bully women for this because it's bad m'kay.
Wuthering Heights is one of the most mean-spirited things ever written (and I love it).
It's fine but I don't think I'd reread it.

Give me more reprints of old pulps and SF/F. Where's my L. Sprague de Camp reprints outside of Lest Darkness Fall. Sheesh. Or hell, Harold Lamb and Talbot Mundy.
 
Anyone, journalist or not, who in any way attempts to police or shame the reading preferences of others should be acid bathed.

It is one of the most intensely personal tastes and habits each of us possesses. Fuck right off with trying to change someone else's. Books are an unmatched window into our psyche and anyone who decides they have the right to sneer at whatever books you choose to consume, for whatever reason you like, needs to be yeeted far away.

Leave me and my books the fuck alone. I don't read to be cool. I don't read for clout, or BookTok, or any of that shit. I read because I need to. Let other people do the same.
 
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