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Tour of Italy said:
Homie was either packing an 8 pounder cannon or the author doesn’t know shit about guns.
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Only way I can see this being accurate is if it’s a Mossberg Shockwave. Those are compact for a shotgun and I think I read in the article that the weapon he was carrying was a Mossberg.
 
Wonder if he has some shitty manifesto hanging around or if this was just a long time coming. Dude was obviously in the mood to start some shit for years and doesn't have some edgy online footprint like modern shooters.

Seemingly random targets from outside observation between an oil refinery in 2016 the 2013 theft of property and 2009 assault with deadly weapon.... each being in a different state. Seems like just an angry traveling tard.
 
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Joe Swanson said:
I'd put money on him being a atheist incel due to the fact you'd need to live under a rock to think you could pull off such a shooting in Texas
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I mean, a pair of dune coons tried to shoot up some texans a couple years ago, and got ventilated for their efforts.

Rafal Gan Ganowicz said:
Hero identified:
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Armed in church is (unfortunately) becoming more of a thing (not just in Texas) exactly for this reason. One of my fishing buddies is head of his parish's security team and they have 12 well-trained, armed parishioners at every service. None of them would fail to act, just as the ones in this instance didn't hesitate to instantly drop a shooter in his tracks. He has helped other churches and local parishes organize their own security teams, as well. These are good ol' Southern boys that hunt and shoot for sport from childhood and are damn good shots.

While I think it's great they are taking care of their congregations, I honestly feel sad that it's come to this. Church is the one place you should feel the safest.
 
welp I was wrong, it happened to a black guy, but still, majority white, texan christians where a white man with a gun saves the day against another white man. Memoryholed.
 
I'm sure in 13 pages its already been said, but like, this kinda thing side by side to the Christchurch shooting I think is the strongest argument for gun ownership and public carry, concealed or open. I don't want to live in a world where everyone's got to be strapped, and sure, I can agree maybe bump stocks and like, bazookas or whatever shouldn't be things readily sold openly, but mankind has already opened Pandora's Box with firearms, we can't go back.

If a few people in the mosques in Christchurch had pistols, hell even only one or two, that massacre could have gone extremely differently. Instead of a few brave souls basically charging face first into gunfire in a vain attempt to stop the shooter from perpetrating what ended up ocurring, the man just gunning down helpless people huddling in a corner and leisurely picking off targets as they ran out exits, and having all the time in the world to go around and double tap the wounded. He could have been stopped, or at least forced to take cover and delayed, allowing more survivors. I can safely make that assumption since, you know, this exact scenario just played out in White Settlement.

Guns will always find their way into the hands of criminals, whether they're smuggled, or 3D printed, or stolen, or whatever. They exist, and denying the general population access to them only turns them into victims of those who simply will ignore the law.

You want to deny general access to people with histories of violence? Okay that's reasonable. You want to restrict the types of firearms people can legally own to stem the flow of omega mass murder weapons that are in the open? Sure, I think we need to really research where that line should be, but the idea isn't without merit. You want to mandate safety instruction and proficiency lessons, possibly licensing so you know whose properly trained in them so they don't misuse them or make horrible mistakes, and who owns them possibly? Good idea, lets work on implementing that in an effective manner. Complete and total removal of firearms publicily and the ability to carry them out in society? Nah man, that's how you design these mass shooting scenarios.
 
keyboredsm4shthe2nd said:
welp I was wrong, it happened to a black guy, but still, majority white, texan christians where a white man with a gun saves the day against another white man. Memoryholed.
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Well, I think calling him an "ex-FBI agent" is an insult, I'd doubt most active duty agents could pull that off.

I guess the MSM don't want to admit that private training got him to where he is.
 
dotONION said:
This is less a study than it is just most of the numbers.
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It's the high end of study published by Kleck & Gertz and cited by a lot of pro gun people versus an estimate made by those critical of the study based on NCVS data.

Get_your_kicks_with_30-06 said:
It pisses me off that the shooters always get the spotlight and the infamy from these stupid greedy """News""" distributors, but the people who deserve fame and recognition like this guy, the guy dropped the shooter, and the countless others who were prepared to shoot.
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Yeah, but I want to blame the people I hate and feel vindicated. I hate the homeless, so this works I guess. It would have been better if he was an edgy atheist or BLM type though.
 
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Sammy said:
I'm sure in 13 pages its already been said, but like, this kinda thing side by side to the Christchurch shooting I think is the strongest argument for gun ownership and public carry, concealed or open. I don't want to live in a world where everyone's got to be strapped, and sure, I can agree maybe bump stocks and like, bazookas or whatever shouldn't be things readily sold openly, but mankind has already opened Pandora's Box with firearms, we can't go back.

If a few people in the mosques in Christchurch had pistols, hell even only one or two, that massacre could have gone extremely differently. Instead of a few brave souls basically charging face first into gunfire in a vain attempt to stop the shooter from perpetrating what ended up ocurring, the man just gunning down helpless people huddling in a corner and leisurely picking off targets as they ran out exits, and having all the time in the world to go around and double tap the wounded. He could have been stopped, or at least forced to take cover and delayed, allowing more survivors. I can safely make that assumption since, you know, this exact scenario just played out in White Settlement.

Guns will always find their way into the hands of criminals, whether they're smuggled, or 3D printed, or stolen, or whatever. They exist, and denying the general population access to them only turns them into victims of those who simply will ignore the law.

You want to deny general access to people with histories of violence? Okay that's reasonable. You want to restrict the types of firearms people can legally own to stem the flow of omega mass murder weapons that are in the open? Sure, I think we need to really research where that line should be, but the idea isn't without merit. You want to mandate safety instruction and proficiency lessons, possibly licensing so you know whose properly trained in them so they don't misuse them or make horrible mistakes, and who owns them possibly? Good idea, lets work on implementing that in an effective manner. Complete and total removal of firearms publicily and the ability to carry them out in society? Nah man, that's how you design these mass shooting scenarios.
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I'm not sure that's a fair comparison, the German and New Zealand shooters wore body armor and helmets that had a very good chance of stopping, and making largely ineffective, the bullets from most, if not all of the weapons carried in that church.
 
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Like A Rad Neighbor said:
Seems like they have identified the shooter.
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Kill all whales said:
Texas man arrested in Linden on gun charge


LINDEN - A 39-year-old Texas man was arrested after police found him in possession of a .12 gauge shotgun and rounds while in the area of the Phillips 66 refinery.

Around 4:30 p.m. Monday, police responded to Lower Road near the city public works garage for a report of a suspicious person on a bicycle.

A resident reported a suspicious man was asking about photographing the oil tank field at the Phillips 66 refinery.

Police found the man, identified as Keith Thomas Kinnunen, of River Oaks, Texas, near Memorial Park on Lower Road. Kinnunen told police he was traveling from Texas but is homeless and takes photos of interesting sites.

Police found Kinnunen had a contempt of court warrant in Oklahoma for felony aggravated assault. While checking his property, police also found a Mossberg .12 gauge shotgun and rounds wrapped in plastic. He was arrested and charged with unlawful possession of a weapon.

Kinnunen is being housed at the Union County Jail in Elizabeth on $20,000 bail with a court date scheduled for next week.


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Aren't you all just so glad Donald Trump pushed sentencing reform through?
 
Vecr said:
I'm not sure that's a fair comparison, the German and New Zealand shooters wore body armor and helmets that had a very good chance of stopping and making largely ineffective, the bullets from most, if not all of the weapons carried in that church.
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Very true, the Christchurch guy alone had clearly prepared for this a long time and came prepared with multiple firearms, spares, various types of guns, etc. I'm not saying it still wouldn't have been bad, but there's a chance someone could have hit him in the face or jaw, or the return fire would have prevented him from just marching through the mosque treating humans like a shooting gallery. Even if handgun fire didn't kill him, that kinetic energy has to go somewhere. A ricochet bullet off a helmet might still knock you to the ground, or disrupt your aim, or just make you panic if you're not a hardened, trained soldier, which very few of these manifesto public shooters end up being. Body armor doesn't turn you into The Terminator where bullets just bounce off of you, those impacts still bruise and can break bones, usually the armor just prevents the bullet from treating your internal organs like a juice blender.

It all might have ended up the same, we'll never know, but in the very least the footage wouldn't have been just a sociopath gunning down dozens, unimpeded, unchallenged.
 
Another article about his arrest in New Jersey:


Suspicious Texas Man Found Near Linden Refinery in Possession of Shotgun
https://www.rlsmedia.com/article/Texas-man-accused-having-shotgun-arrested-linden (http://archive.vn/SW4l6)

Submitted by RLS Staff on Sep 13 2016 - 9:27am.

A Texas man was disarmed and arrested after an area resident contacted police about a suspicious male in the area of the refinery, police announced today.

Officers responded to Lower Road near the Public Works garage on a report of a suspicious person on a bicycle shortly before 4:30 Monday afternoon.

According to police, a resident reported that the suspicious man was inquiring about photographing the oil tank field at the Phillips 66 refinery.

Officers responded and found the man near Memorial Park. The man, later identified as Keith Thomas Kinnunen, 39, of River Oaks, Texas, told officers that he was travelling from Texas but is currently homeless. He also said he takes photographs of interesting sites, police said.

Officers checked Kinnunen for warrants and found he was wanted in Oklahoma on a contempt warrant for felony aggravated assault. While checking his property, officers discovered a Mossberg .12 gauge shotgun and rounds wrapped in plastic.

Kinnunen was placed under arrested and charged with unlawful possession of a weapon.

He is currently being housed at the Union County Jail on $20,000 bail with a court date scheduled for September 19th.

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A month before that arrest, he was registered to vote in Medina, Ohio. The registration address 232 Northland Drive seems to be a county government social services building. Probably registered him when providing some sort of services. Other people are registered at the address so I'm guessing the county uses it as a generic address for homeless voters:
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Possible sister Angela:
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Sammy said:
I'm sure in 13 pages its already been said, but like, this kinda thing side by side to the Christchurch shooting I think is the strongest argument for gun ownership and public carry, concealed or open. I don't want to live in a world where everyone's got to be strapped, and sure, I can agree maybe bump stocks and like, bazookas or whatever shouldn't be things readily sold openly, but mankind has already opened Pandora's Box with firearms, we can't go back.

If a few people in the mosques in Christchurch had pistols, hell even only one or two, that massacre could have gone extremely differently. Instead of a few brave souls basically charging face first into gunfire in a vain attempt to stop the shooter from perpetrating what ended up ocurring, the man just gunning down helpless people huddling in a corner and leisurely picking off targets as they ran out exits, and having all the time in the world to go around and double tap the wounded. He could have been stopped, or at least forced to take cover and delayed, allowing more survivors. I can safely make that assumption since, you know, this exact scenario just played out in White Settlement.

Guns will always find their way into the hands of criminals, whether they're smuggled, or 3D printed, or stolen, or whatever. They exist, and denying the general population access to them only turns them into victims of those who simply will ignore the law.

You want to deny general access to people with histories of violence? Okay that's reasonable. You want to restrict the types of firearms people can legally own to stem the flow of omega mass murder weapons that are in the open? Sure, I think we need to really research where that line should be, but the idea isn't without merit. You want to mandate safety instruction and proficiency lessons, possibly licensing so you know whose properly trained in them so they don't misuse them or make horrible mistakes, and who owns them possibly? Good idea, lets work on implementing that in an effective manner. Complete and total removal of firearms publicily and the ability to carry them out in society? Nah man, that's how you design these mass shooting scenarios.
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During the second shooting (not the one that was streamed) Tarrant was stopped at the second mosque thanks to his mistakes and quick thinking from one of the survivors, slicing his death toll there compared to the first mosque. The man who stopped the shooter's name was Abdul Aziz and he was sadly forgotten about as the media decided they'd rather push for shutting down 8chan and removing that stream off the internet instead.
 
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CIA Nigger said:
During the second shooting (not the one that was streamed) he was stopped at the second mosque thanks to the shooter's mistakes and quick thinking from one of the survivors, slicing his death toll there compared to the first mosque. His name was Abdul Aziz and he was sadly forgotten about as the media decided they'd rather push for shutting down 8chan and removing that stream off the internet instead.
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I never knew that part of the story, thank you for sharing that.
 
https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/results?name=Keith Kinnunen&rid=0x6 (http://archive.vn/WCYAH)

Keith Thomas Kinnunen
Age 43

Phone Numbers
(817) 401-8529 - Wireless

Associated Names
Keith Thomas Kinaynen Jr, Keith T Kinninen, Keith Kinnugen

Current Address
2200 Aden Rd #1416
Fort Worth, TX 76116-2120

Email Addresses
kkinnunen@flash.net
kkinnunen@hotmail.com
kkinnunen@rocketmail.com


Previous Addresses
15933 N Capstan Ave
Tucson, AZ 85739-9687
(Sep 2011 - Jun 2013)

2001 Aden Rd
Fort Worth, TX 76116-1901
(Aug 2010)

8553 La Plaza Dr #3
Fort Worth, TX 76108-3406
(Nov 2009)

4609 Ohio Garden Rd
Fort Worth, TX 76114-2728
(Aug 2009)

PO Box 123263
Fort Worth, TX 76121-3263
(May 2009)

1220 N Main St #303
Fort Worth, TX 76164-9100
(Sep 2007)

20041 Aden Rd #34
Ft Worth, TX 76116
(Dec 2006)

3311 E Bermuda St
Tucson, AZ 85716-2228
(Feb 2006)

6051 Karen Cir #43441B
Fort Worth, TX 76116-7401
(Apr 2005 - Sep 2005)

119 Pajaro Verde W
Tucson, AZ 85739
(May 2003)

11941 W Pajaro Verde
Tucson, AZ 85743-9433
(Dec 1996 - Feb 2003)

8503 Westlake Dr
Fort Worth, TX 76108-3431
(Jul 2002 - Aug 2002)

4117 Westridge Ave #C
Fort Worth, TX 76116-7410
(Dec 2001 - Mar 2002)

4152 N Nidito Pl
Tucson, AZ 85705-2546
(Mar 2000 - Jul 2001)

11441 Pavaro Verde St W
Tucson, AZ 85739
(Jul 2000)

3777 E Colder
Tucson, AZ 85734
(Nov 1999 - Feb 2000)

Possible Businesses
All City Sprinklers
2200 Aden Rd Apt 1416 Fort Worth Tx 76116
 
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My guess is he wanted to appear as a minority in the hopes that the trail would be cold for a second. And that they would blame it on somebody else for a minute.
 
What a fucking coward. He knew how idiotic it would be to start shooting in a crowd in TEXAS, so he hid in the corner to take out some people by surprise, make an easy escape, or possibly hide in the crowd.

It's ridiculous that people think banning guns solves these kinds of problems, when the fact that this church was armed to the teeth saved many more lives and eliminated the threat.
 
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