White Settlement Church Shooting

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I have a copy of the video that claims to be 1080p (I don't know if it's up-scaled or not), it's 17M and it's SHA2-256 hash is `2d3bfd9ab802e38281204a9f29983dfa932f5d2e085152083c17422408c4366f`, could that replace the video on the first page?
 
Rocketleaguer said:
Still no info on the perp? What's the holdup?
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They have to be a POC. If the killer is white, you hear about it instantly, if they're black or some other minority the media will try to memoryhole it. Add to that what someone already said that the media won't like to report on an instance of law abiding gun owners putting a stop to a mass shooting.
 
Astro Galactic Megalul said:
Lesson: Person standing closest to the entrance is the first to get shot, so don't be that person. Be the person in the opposing corner of the room.
That way you're most likely to die in case of fire, though, so pick your poison!
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Opposite corners are bad news too, as they're the corners of the pie upon entry.

Standing just about anywhere, especially against a wall/corner is a bad idea. Position in a room being forced doesn't really matter; what does is situational awareness and mindset (i.e. not being stuck in the OODA loop).

Also.... handguns are not talismans, they don't increase the odds of making a saving throw just by carrying one.

Just this one video of this shooting contains so many instructable moments, I could get more than a week's worth of material out of it easy.
 
Pocket Dragoon said:
Opposite corners are bad news too, as they're the corners of the pie upon entry.

Standing just about anywhere, especially against a wall/corner is a bad idea. Position in a room being forced doesn't really matter; what does is situational awareness and mindset (i.e. not being stuck in the OODA loop).

Also.... handguns are not talismans, they don't increase the odds of making a saving throw just by carrying one.

Just this one video of this shooting contains so many instructable moments, I could get more than a week's worth of material out of it easy.
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Well, body armor does, but that's kind of bulky and expensive, the latter more so for ones that you can hide under a jacket.
 
Whatthefuck said:
Look, I’m going to get so many dumb and autistic responses, but I should not have to go to fucking Church armed. That’s lunacy. It’s fucking crazy what we’ve become.

Church used to be sanctuary where no violence was allowed. It was respected by all sides. What in the entire fuck is happening?
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A lot of things. Our failure of mental healthcare, the breakdown of real life connections, the general feeling of hopelessness, and frustration felt by many across the nation, the failure of proper reporting, and investigating beforehand, and the glorification of these disgusting acts of violence by today's media.

I hate it too. Things didn't use to be like this, and it pisses me off to no end that shit like this is now common place in America. Unfortunately, until both sides stop pointing the finger at each other, and actually decide to come together to solve these problems, tragedies like this are going to continue to happen, and all we can do is just protect ourselves the best we can. Which sadly means having to go to church armed, because some degenerate lunatic might decide to shoot it up.
 
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ColtWalker1847 said:
Not sure man. Part of the fun is keeping all that shit in your head. It's not like anyone enjoys hearing you sperg about some dumb thing you saw somebody do at the gas station or whatever.

I think people notice shit more than they let on as a rule. It's what they do in some unrehearsed untrained stressed situation that is at fault. I'm a person who notices people and I can't honestly say that I would have made it out the door faster than the shooter hit the floor. My brain would have had to gone through the "OH SHIT, now what?" troubleshooter and I ain't programed for shootouts.

Seeing things doesn't mean that you inherently know what to do once you observe them.
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Responding to shootings isn't everyone's second nature because their day-to-day lives don't require it to be. Especially if you're going to church. Knowing the police are out there is enough comfort for most people. For those who need more comfort or prefer to be more in charge of their safety, they legally obtain a permit and firearm.
 
Probably a good time to remind people that reports have shown that firearms are used to stop crime more often than they are used to take lives. Some studies argue that defensive gun use is more common than criminal gun use. Anyway, defensive gun use is estimated to be between 100,000 per year and 2,500,000 per year in the US.



ZXO said:
Maybe the frequency of attacks has something to do with the perpetrator's ideology and its declining relevance? This seems to be the "endgame" of failed movements. If your state allows it, I'd obtain the appropriate permits to open and/or conceal carry. Be the right kind of exceptional and protect yourself and what you care about.

Here's some more unsolicited advice:
- Know your exits
- Sit where you have a generally clear line to exits
- Watch entrances
- Watch people

It's a vague list and probably obvious but I hate seeing headlines like this. I can't blame most of the congregation for immediately taking cover since there appeared to be many seniors.
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Taking cover in this situation made sense since there was an active firefight. If they knew fellow parishioners were gonna draw concealed weapons and run over, then staying down and out of the way makes sense,

Yeah. People need to work on not zoning out in public, but honestly that's far more likely to improve your life in ways other than not being shot. I'd also add that doing something, even if it isn't the best thing, is almost always better than doing nothing. In most of the cases I've seen running or fighting appear to have better results than hiding (this one might be an exception). Don't freeze up.

Whatthefuck said:
Look, I’m going to get so many dumb and autistic responses, but I should not have to go to fucking Church armed. That’s lunacy. It’s fucking crazy what we’ve become.

Church used to be sanctuary where no violence was allowed. It was respected by all sides. What in the entire fuck is happening?
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You don't have to. Shit like this is incredibly rare. You're much more likely to be struck by lightening than be shot in a mass shooting so long as you aren't involved in a gang.
 
Bunny Tracks said:
A lot of things. Our failure of mental healthcare, the breakdown of real life connections, the general feeling of hopelessness, and frustration felt by many across the nation, the failure of proper reporting, and investigating beforehand, and the glorification of these disgusting acts of violence by today's media.

I hate it, too. Things didn't use to be like this, and it pisses me off to no end that shit like this is now common place in America. Unfortunately, until both sides stop pointing the finger at each other, and actually decide to come together to solve these problems, tragedies like this are going to continue to happen, and all we can do is just protect ourselves the best we can. Which sadly means having to go to church armed, because some degenerate lunatic might decide to shoot it up.
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All of that, plus there is a theory that mass shooters are the new serial killers. The number of mass shootings has been increasing whereas you basically never hear about serial killers anymore. It’s gotten much harder to get away with serial murder whereas it’s easier to get a gun and shoot a bunch of people at once.
 
Cosmos said:
All of that, plus there is a theory that mass shooters are the new serial killers. The number of mass shootings has been increasing whereas you basically never hear about serial killers anymore. It’s gotten much harder to get away with serial murder whereas it’s easier to get a gun and shoot a bunch of people at once.
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I agree and disagree to a point. Serial killers still operate but not necessarily in the traditional idea of what we would consider a serial killer. We also have had a lot more exceptional killings occur in recent years but because they aren't something the media can exploit they get tossed aside.

The media is sensationalizing the mass shootings like they did with serial killings for sure. No doubt about it.

But I think murder and killings as a whole have evolved because of the internet age. Many people who are curious have outlets for their curiosity, which means some are less likely to attempt something because they can read up and look at images and videos. Some don't think that's enough. But weird people have better access to weird shit now so they aren't necessarily going on killing sprees to satisfy it.

The people who do get urges to kill like that usually go to third world countries now because it's much easier to get away with it there and in a lot of cases they take advantage of human/child trafficking for that purpose. Because nobody cares if they're getting paid handsomely to provide something.
 
Bunny Tracks said:
A lot of things. Our failure of mental healthcare, the breakdown of real life connections, the general feeling of hopelessness, and frustration felt by many across the nation, the failure of proper reporting, and investigating beforehand, and the glorification of these disgusting acts of violence by today's media.

I hate it, too. Things didn't use to be like this, and it pisses me off to no end that shit like this is now common place in America. Unfortunately, until both sides stop pointing the finger at each other, and actually decide to come together to solve these problems, tragedies like this are going to continue to happen, and all we can do is just protect ourselves the best we can. Which sadly means having to go to church armed, because some degenerate lunatic might decide to shoot it up.
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Lack of mental healthcare isn't the culprit I think, 9/10 times wannabe spree shooters are motivated by a desire for notoriety. Which MSN is all too willing to give them.
 
Vecr said:
Well, body armor does, but that's kind of bulky and expensive, the latter more so for ones that you can hide under a jacket.
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A couple years ago, I'd agree that armor isn't a good choice for use while around & about town/business; but since then armor has gotten a lot better, while prices have been dropping.

Don't get me wrong; you still get what you pay for when it comes to actual vests, so ymmv when shopping online discounts. But effective, lightweight, hard trauma-plates that cover the heart are easily had now for less than $50 and can be worn comfortably under a dress shirt in a necktie/neck-wallet type carrier. A lot of trauma plates are also being sold that are designed to fit in backpack hydration-bladder or map compartments.... and I haven't even touched on the types of material being used for hard armor now.

Body armor isn't just for troops and cops anymore; most are highly modular and can easily be scaled down for something like going to church. The tech was stalled for a long time, but it's developing now for civilian markets at an almost exponential rate.
 
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ulsterscotsman said:
Any info on the shooter yet?
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Yeah, they finally released that info:
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Freedom Fries said:
Probably a good time to remind people that reports have shown that firearms are used to stop crime more often than they are used to take lives. Some studies argue that defensive gun use is more common than criminal gun use. Anyway, defensive gun use is estimated to be between 100,000 per year and 2,500,000 per year in the US.
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Pew Research did a 2017 study where 7% of adult respondents indicated that they had at least once used a gun to defend themselves, their family or their property, with 17% of current gun owners saying they had.

Thats tens of millions of Americans who have stopped crimes with firearms. Using a conservative assumption that you’re only going to have one such encounter in your life, that’s pretty well consistent with the 100,000 to 2.5 million range from other studies, maybe topping out at 500,000 to 600,000 annually just based on Pew’s self-reported incidents.

That’s a lot of lives saved and rapists thwarted.

More importantly, that makes the odds uncomfortably high that in your lifetime you’ll be in a situation where you need to defend yourself with a gun. And that’s assuming the relative peace and safety of our current society is sustained.

I did some quick math using data from another study and came up with roughly a 1 in 20 chance that you’ll be a victim of a home invasion while you or a family member is at home, over the course of your life. Again, that’s at our current rates of home invasion while the victim is at home, which unsurprisingly is extremely low compared to the rest of the western world.

In short, buy a fucking gun. Don’t let anyone judge your for it, and quit voting for people who are okay with the proportional increase in victimization just so they can feel good about themselves.
 
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