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https://nypost.com/2018/11/21/white...w&utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter

The White House gave troops stationed at the southern border the OK to use lethal force if necessary — a move that legal experts warn may violate the Posse Comitatus Act, which bars the military from being used for civilian law enforcement.

The “cabinet order” was signed by White House Chief of Staff John Kelly — not President Trump — and authorizes “Department of Defense military personnel” to “perform those military protective activities that the Secretary of Defense determines are reasonably necessary” to protect border agents, the Military Times reported.

That includes “a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary), crowd control, temporary detention and cursory search.”

There are about 5,900 active-duty troops and 2,100 National Guard forces deployed to the Mexican border.

Trump had said earlier this month that the troops could “fight back” if the Central American asylum seekers heading to the US border hurled rocks their way.

“They want to throw rocks at our military, our military fights back. I told them to consider it a rifle. When they throw rocks like what they did to the Mexican military and police I say consider it a rifle,” the commander in chief said on Nov. 1.

He later walked back the comment that rocks are the same as rifles after widespread condemnation.

Some of the actions described in Kelly’s late Tuesday order, including crowd control and detention, could violate the 1898 Posse Comitatus Act.

The Congressional Research Service determined “case law indicates that ‘execution of the law’ in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act occurs (a) when the Armed Forces perform tasks assigned to an organ of civil government, or (b) when the Armed Forces perform tasks assigned to them solely for purposes of civilian government,” the website reported.

But the law also allows the president “to use military force to suppress insurrection or to enforce federal authority,” the service found.

Prior to the midterms, the president employed harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric to describe the “caravans” of migrants — many of them women and children — fleeing their homelands.

He repeatedly called the caravan an “invasion” of the US, claiming without evidence that “Middle Easterners,” terrorists and hordes of violent gang members had infiltrated the group in an effort to fire up his nationalist base.

He ordered the troop deployment, and ominously warned that the active duty troops would stop the asylum seekers, though their actual role turned out to be building camps and stringing barbed wire along the border.

Trump barely mentioned the caravans after the midterms, and the Pentagon announced that the border operation, briefly dubbed “Operation Patriot Freedom” before the brass scrapped that moniker, would be wound down and that the troops would be home by Christmas.

Some of the migrants have amassed at the border city of Tijuana, while others remain hundreds of miles away from the US.

Experts eyed the order warily.

Posse Comitatus is “always looming in the background. You never invoke it as such because it is such a background principle,” William Banks, author of “Soldiers on the Home Front: The Domestic Role of the American Military” and the former director of the Institute for National Security and Counterterrorism at Syracuse University, told the website.

Kelly said in the directive that the move was necessary because “credible evidence and intelligence” suggest that the migrants in Tijuana, “may prompt incidents of violence and disorder” that could threaten Border Patrol personnel.

But the White House could still find itself in legal hot water if the authorities in the memo are determined to be counter to the law, Banks said.

Personally im of a neutral opinion. But if the caravan is going to try to force its way across the border like it has been forcing its way through Mexico then they get what they deserve.
 
Not really. Coyotes exist. They always have. I'm just surprised there is a specific subculture developing just around this particular caravan. Maybe because lots of money is getting spewed around. That tends to attract interesting social phenomena.

IDK. Ever been to sub-Saharan Africa?

If you're a white face in decent transportation, expect your trotro to be surrounded every time you come to a complete stop by hawkers selling anything you could want for your trip and beyond. Everything from sanitary protection to snacks to souvenirs will be available to you at only slightly inflated prices.

They don't really follow for that long on a per-vendor basis, they seem to have a range, at which point some other vendor picks up the slack. Less like a Grateful Dead show, more like cops only pulling people over in their municipality.
 
I just love the term "asylum seeker". It's a very useful tool to psychologically prime people into accepting illegal aliens. They're no longer illegal immigrants, they're refugees seeking asylum. Who would deny them that, except a bad person?

It's also bullshit. You're not an asylum seeker in any meaningful sense until you've filed an application for that status.
 
IDK. Ever been to sub-Saharan Africa?

If you're a white face in decent transportation, expect your trotro to be surrounded every time you come to a complete stop by hawkers selling anything you could want for your trip and beyond. Everything from sanitary protection to snacks to souvenirs will be available to you at only slightly inflated prices.

No but I've heard from people who have, and this kind of shit is the routine. Rich white people who get in trouble generally didn't do their homework and just hire people who specialize in this shit, and you basically just have to budget it in that you spew enough money to beggars/hawkers/corrupt government/whatever that you can go about your business, and the places are so desperately poor that this doesn't take much by murrica standards. It's just part of the cost of doing business.
 
It's also bullshit. You're not an asylum seeker in any meaningful sense until you've filed an application for that status.

You're also not an asylum seeker if you want to pick and choose which safe country you get to go to.
 
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Got past Mexican Federal Police...what a shock.
Crossing fingers for lethal force to be used so I can sit back and watch the shit show unfold for weeks.
Im split 50/50 on my opinion that the mexican federals are that incompetent or they want to watch the migrants get shoot by the army
 
edit. it says premiere. I have not idea how jewtube works and if you can premiere a livestream or if this is a recorded video of them trying invade America.

Fucking hell, I'm exceptional.

I think Premiere is YouTube's retarded and pretentious way of saying streaming.
 
What lies beyond the wall is not welcoming.
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It's also bullshit. You're not an asylum seeker in any meaningful sense until you've filed an application for that status.

For a long time the term "asylum" was only used in respect of political dissidents and defectors and those seeking entry to a country for humanitarian reasons were always referred to as "refugees". I can't even remember when that changed, but it's interesting that it did.
 
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