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https://nypost.com/2018/11/21/white...w&utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter

The White House gave troops stationed at the southern border the OK to use lethal force if necessary — a move that legal experts warn may violate the Posse Comitatus Act, which bars the military from being used for civilian law enforcement.

The “cabinet order” was signed by White House Chief of Staff John Kelly — not President Trump — and authorizes “Department of Defense military personnel” to “perform those military protective activities that the Secretary of Defense determines are reasonably necessary” to protect border agents, the Military Times reported.

That includes “a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary), crowd control, temporary detention and cursory search.”

There are about 5,900 active-duty troops and 2,100 National Guard forces deployed to the Mexican border.

Trump had said earlier this month that the troops could “fight back” if the Central American asylum seekers heading to the US border hurled rocks their way.

“They want to throw rocks at our military, our military fights back. I told them to consider it a rifle. When they throw rocks like what they did to the Mexican military and police I say consider it a rifle,” the commander in chief said on Nov. 1.

He later walked back the comment that rocks are the same as rifles after widespread condemnation.

Some of the actions described in Kelly’s late Tuesday order, including crowd control and detention, could violate the 1898 Posse Comitatus Act.

The Congressional Research Service determined “case law indicates that ‘execution of the law’ in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act occurs (a) when the Armed Forces perform tasks assigned to an organ of civil government, or (b) when the Armed Forces perform tasks assigned to them solely for purposes of civilian government,” the website reported.

But the law also allows the president “to use military force to suppress insurrection or to enforce federal authority,” the service found.

Prior to the midterms, the president employed harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric to describe the “caravans” of migrants — many of them women and children — fleeing their homelands.

He repeatedly called the caravan an “invasion” of the US, claiming without evidence that “Middle Easterners,” terrorists and hordes of violent gang members had infiltrated the group in an effort to fire up his nationalist base.

He ordered the troop deployment, and ominously warned that the active duty troops would stop the asylum seekers, though their actual role turned out to be building camps and stringing barbed wire along the border.

Trump barely mentioned the caravans after the midterms, and the Pentagon announced that the border operation, briefly dubbed “Operation Patriot Freedom” before the brass scrapped that moniker, would be wound down and that the troops would be home by Christmas.

Some of the migrants have amassed at the border city of Tijuana, while others remain hundreds of miles away from the US.

Experts eyed the order warily.

Posse Comitatus is “always looming in the background. You never invoke it as such because it is such a background principle,” William Banks, author of “Soldiers on the Home Front: The Domestic Role of the American Military” and the former director of the Institute for National Security and Counterterrorism at Syracuse University, told the website.

Kelly said in the directive that the move was necessary because “credible evidence and intelligence” suggest that the migrants in Tijuana, “may prompt incidents of violence and disorder” that could threaten Border Patrol personnel.

But the White House could still find itself in legal hot water if the authorities in the memo are determined to be counter to the law, Banks said.

Personally im of a neutral opinion. But if the caravan is going to try to force its way across the border like it has been forcing its way through Mexico then they get what they deserve.
 
It's almost like political leaders in this nation have followed the same basic plan on important issues like immigration, foreign policy, the economy, etc for decades. Even Trump only bucks the trend slightly. Like there is some sort of external force at work that's highlighting stark but largely meaningless differences in during campaigns to garner public support while it's business as usual on Capitol Hill. Who would do such a thing? It would require nearly unfathomable wealth, control of mainstream media news and entertainment, and infiltration of the highest levels of our government and judicial system. While this is a completely untenable conspiracy theory, it is frightening to think about.
No reason such a system can't self organize as an emergent property of the vast bureaucracy and social networks surrounding it.
 
Visited Mexicali early in the week, the park adjacent to the border was littered with sleeping hondurans, then yesterday they were all gone.

Details from some vendors were sketchy and contradicting, but as far as I can piece together some were opting for Mexicali as the U.S. city of Calexico is tiny in comparison which some said would be less secure but were deterred by the new border fences, other vendors mentioned that Tijuana is were all the humanitarian support was dishing out all the freebies so they headed there.

So wait, you're literally saying vendors are going around choosing locations where they can go to sell shit to these idiot "refugees" like they're on Shakedown Street at a Grateful Dead show?

So wherever these morons are going, there's another parasitic clique of people just following them around to see what they can con them out of?

All this really just tells me there's nearly an industry around this bullshit caravan, and the people who want to make money off it are just trying to figure out where these idiots will try to break through, and sucker them out of as much of their money as possible before they get shot and/or beaten with batons at the border.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

That's not ironic. I really do want to be wrong.
 
So wait, you're literally saying vendors are going around choosing locations where they can go to sell shit to these idiot "refugees" like they're on Shakedown Street at a Grateful Dead show?

So wherever these morons are going, there's another parasitic clique of people just following them around to see what they can con them out of?

All this really just tells me there's nearly an industry around this bullshit caravan, and the people who want to make money off it are just trying to figure out where these idiots will try to break through, and sucker them out of as much of their money as possible before they get shot and/or beaten with batons at the border.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

That's not ironic. I really do want to be wrong.
I took it as he was talking to local street vendors and merchants, not (((merchants))), who gave him the scoop on what's going on. I'd assume that anyone doing what you're talking about would have moved on with them.
 
All this really just tells me there's nearly an industry around this bullshit caravan, and the people who want to make money off it are just trying to figure out where these idiots will try to break through, and sucker them out of as much of their money as possible before they get shot and/or beaten with batons at the border.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

That's not ironic. I really do want to be wrong.

There's a whole industry around people smuggling and debt bondage (which grows every time people using those routes to new countries are successful), so it shouldn't be surprising that predators welcome opportunities which aren't outright illegal to prey on these people.
 
So wait, you're literally saying vendors are going around choosing locations where they can go to sell shit to these idiot "refugees" like they're on Shakedown Street at a Grateful Dead show?

So wherever these morons are going, there's another parasitic clique of people just following them around to see what they can con them out of?

All this really just tells me there's nearly an industry around this bullshit caravan, and the people who want to make money off it are just trying to figure out where these idiots will try to break through, and sucker them out of as much of their money as possible before they get shot and/or beaten with batons at the border.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

That's not ironic. I really do want to be wrong.

Are you really that surprised? A decent chunk of the political/financial elite seem to view Latino immigrants as nothing more than pseudo slaves so the next logical step seems to be stealing all that they have even before they can be sold to multi national corporations as slave labor.
 
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this whole caravan got going through targeted social media started by said pushers, encouraging them to "seek asylum" in the US, knowing that once they got on the move, lured by promised of streets paved in gold-plated gibs certificates, they could bilk them the whole way, and then leave them wherever their march ran out of steam, be it Mexico, the US, or somewhere else.
 
Are you really that surprised? A decent chunk of the political/financial elite seem to view Latino immigrants as nothing more than pseudo slaves so the next logical step seems to be stealing all that they have even before they can be sold to multi national corporations as slave labor.
Its more than that. They view them with the exact same "warmth" pre civil war slavers would look upon obedient and loyal slaves with.

Valued pets to civilise, train up, and mould into a perfect servants who could be trusted to pour them drinks, care for their children, and clean their houses, and who would always be grateful to their wise and kind masters for the lives they are given. They would also 'obviously' be protected against those wicked yankee agitators who would seek to rip these child like fragile beings away from their proper station and throw them into the cruelty and barbarism of equal treatment under law, or worse yet return them to the savage hellscapes they were imported from
 
Are you really that surprised? A decent chunk of the political/financial elite seem to view Latino immigrants as nothing more than pseudo slaves so the next logical step seems to be stealing all that they have even before they can be sold to multi national corporations as slave labor.

Not really. Coyotes exist. They always have. I'm just surprised there is a specific subculture developing just around this particular caravan. Maybe because lots of money is getting spewed around. That tends to attract interesting social phenomena.
 
Are you really that surprised? A decent chunk of the political/financial elite seem to view Latino immigrants as nothing more than pseudo slaves so the next logical step seems to be stealing all that they have even before they can be sold to multi national corporations as slave labor.
This has been the game for a long time. They will do every job that no one wants to do. They will shovel shit, do your lawn, fix your pipes and most importantly, vote for the party which will support greater policies. Can't imagine the modern millennial willing to do menial work. It fucks over the working class, but those guys don't matter. Trump is trying to reverse this.

If you look at Europe, they are trying to do the same thing by importing the third world, only our politicians are brilliant in that instead of importing poor people from South East Asia and China, they import people from places like the Middle East and Africa. Two groups who are world renowned for their work ethic and lack of violent and savage behaviour...
 
I just love the term "asylum seeker". It's a very useful tool to psychologically prime people into accepting illegal aliens. They're no longer illegal immigrants, they're refugees seeking asylum. Who would deny them that, except a bad person?
 
This has been the game for a long time. They will do every job that no one wants to do. They will shovel shit, do your lawn, fix your pipes and most importantly, vote for the party which will support greater policies. Can't imagine the modern millennial willing to do menial work. It fucks over the working class, but those guys don't matter. Trump is trying to reverse this.

If you look at Europe, they are trying to do the same thing by importing the third world, only our politicians are brilliant in that instead of importing poor people from South East Asia and China, they import people from places like the Middle East and Africa. Two groups who are world renowned for their work ethic and lack of violent and savage behaviour...

No, listen, let me tell you something. The shit jobs "nobody wants" are only jobs nobody wants anymore because they barely pay enough to survive on nowadays. Shit's more expensive and the wages of scrubbing toilets or picking vegetables simply aren't rising at an equitable rate.

I guaran-fucking-tee you your average non-asshole millenial WOULD be a janitor if they made enough that they wouldn't have to live in a shit apartment in Murder Street and eat ramen for all three meals. But that would require CEOs and stockbrokers get slightly less money, so instead they use immigrants as slaves and threaten to deport them if they raise a fuss.
 
That progressive cry of "They do jobs Americans won't!" cuts off just before the "because our corporate overlords won't pay enough to do them" part.
 
No, listen, let me tell you something. The shit jobs "nobody wants" are only jobs nobody wants anymore because they barely pay enough to survive on nowadays. Shit's more expensive and the wages of scrubbing toilets or picking vegetables simply aren't rising at an equitable rate.

I guaran-fucking-tee you your average non-asshole millenial WOULD be a janitor if they made enough that they wouldn't have to live in a shit apartment in Murder Street and eat ramen for all three meals. But that would require CEOs and stockbrokers get slightly less money, so instead they use immigrants as slaves and threaten to deport them if they raise a fuss.
Christ, you sound asshurt...shit job = shit pay, these CEOs are not going to change, so they brought in people to do these jobs without complaint when those wouldn't. You expect them to take a paycut...how else will they afford their 5th car?
 
So wait, you're literally saying vendors are going around choosing locations where they can go to sell shit to these idiot "refugees" like they're on Shakedown Street at a Grateful Dead show?

So wherever these morons are going, there's another parasitic clique of people just following them around to see what they can con them out of?

All this really just tells me there's nearly an industry around this bullshit caravan, and the people who want to make money off it are just trying to figure out where these idiots will try to break through, and sucker them out of as much of their money as possible before they get shot and/or beaten with batons at the border.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

That's not ironic. I really do want to be wrong.

Not sure how I might given you that impression. These are just everyday vendors, like ice cream and hotdogs stands, they usually operate on spots assigned to them.

They tend to deal with everyone so they are often a good source of information in regards to events near their location.
 
That progressive cry of "They do jobs Americans won't!" cuts off just before the "because our corporate overlords won't pay enough to do them" part.
And also we need universal basic income because robots are on the verge of making all menial labor obsolete.
 
I guaran-fucking-tee you your average non-asshole millenial WOULD be a janitor if they made enough that they wouldn't have to live in a shit apartment in Murder Street and eat ramen for all three meals. But that would require CEOs and stockbrokers get slightly less money, so instead they use immigrants as slaves and threaten to deport them if they raise a fuss.
Let's also not forget that you can pay an illegal alien pennies compared to what you'd be forced to pay an American.

Side note, but from what I remember janitors aren't atrociously paid and the main reason that nobody wants to be one is due to the 24/7 work schedule.
 
I just love the term "asylum seeker". It's a very useful tool to psychologically prime people into accepting illegal aliens. They're no longer illegal immigrants, they're refugees seeking asylum.

"From what?" often shuts down that particular dodge, and gets you a wonderful facial expression to boot if you do it in person.
 
"From what?" often shuts down that particular dodge, and gets you a wonderful facial expression to boot if you do it in person.
The response to that is something along the lines of "oppression". When you ask what oppression the answer is usually a combination of violent cartels (that America funds), colonialism (once again, America's fault), poverty (caused by American corporations), and a stuttering about how we as Americans need to take people in because we owe them.

Logic doesn't work with these people.
 
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