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https://nypost.com/2018/11/21/white...w&utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter

The White House gave troops stationed at the southern border the OK to use lethal force if necessary — a move that legal experts warn may violate the Posse Comitatus Act, which bars the military from being used for civilian law enforcement.

The “cabinet order” was signed by White House Chief of Staff John Kelly — not President Trump — and authorizes “Department of Defense military personnel” to “perform those military protective activities that the Secretary of Defense determines are reasonably necessary” to protect border agents, the Military Times reported.

That includes “a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary), crowd control, temporary detention and cursory search.”

There are about 5,900 active-duty troops and 2,100 National Guard forces deployed to the Mexican border.

Trump had said earlier this month that the troops could “fight back” if the Central American asylum seekers heading to the US border hurled rocks their way.

“They want to throw rocks at our military, our military fights back. I told them to consider it a rifle. When they throw rocks like what they did to the Mexican military and police I say consider it a rifle,” the commander in chief said on Nov. 1.

He later walked back the comment that rocks are the same as rifles after widespread condemnation.

Some of the actions described in Kelly’s late Tuesday order, including crowd control and detention, could violate the 1898 Posse Comitatus Act.

The Congressional Research Service determined “case law indicates that ‘execution of the law’ in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act occurs (a) when the Armed Forces perform tasks assigned to an organ of civil government, or (b) when the Armed Forces perform tasks assigned to them solely for purposes of civilian government,” the website reported.

But the law also allows the president “to use military force to suppress insurrection or to enforce federal authority,” the service found.

Prior to the midterms, the president employed harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric to describe the “caravans” of migrants — many of them women and children — fleeing their homelands.

He repeatedly called the caravan an “invasion” of the US, claiming without evidence that “Middle Easterners,” terrorists and hordes of violent gang members had infiltrated the group in an effort to fire up his nationalist base.

He ordered the troop deployment, and ominously warned that the active duty troops would stop the asylum seekers, though their actual role turned out to be building camps and stringing barbed wire along the border.

Trump barely mentioned the caravans after the midterms, and the Pentagon announced that the border operation, briefly dubbed “Operation Patriot Freedom” before the brass scrapped that moniker, would be wound down and that the troops would be home by Christmas.

Some of the migrants have amassed at the border city of Tijuana, while others remain hundreds of miles away from the US.

Experts eyed the order warily.

Posse Comitatus is “always looming in the background. You never invoke it as such because it is such a background principle,” William Banks, author of “Soldiers on the Home Front: The Domestic Role of the American Military” and the former director of the Institute for National Security and Counterterrorism at Syracuse University, told the website.

Kelly said in the directive that the move was necessary because “credible evidence and intelligence” suggest that the migrants in Tijuana, “may prompt incidents of violence and disorder” that could threaten Border Patrol personnel.

But the White House could still find itself in legal hot water if the authorities in the memo are determined to be counter to the law, Banks said.

Personally im of a neutral opinion. But if the caravan is going to try to force its way across the border like it has been forcing its way through Mexico then they get what they deserve.
 
I suspect the plan will be to have Americans in amongst them. Berkeley is probably full of tumbleweeds ATM.

That requires leaving their cushy college campus and putting in actual effort.

As much as I don't want to see lives ended over this caravan business, this decision was probably necessary. If nothing else it's going to send a message to them to think twice about getting violent once they reach the border.
 
When are the migrants supposed to arrive anyway? I’m looking forward to the Mexican standoff.
 
When are the migrants supposed to arrive anyway? I’m looking forward to the Mexican standoff.

It doesn't look like it will be any time soon.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ares-humanitarian-crisis-over-migrant-caravan
 
I love how these animals thought they could just roll in and get free gibs. I guess nobody told them that Trump isn't anything like Obama.

It's definitely interesting because all of the things she lists are normal in official refugee camps except that people often spend weeks waiting to be allowed into camps and stay there for years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_camp

Even if these people are genuine refugees and not economic migrants trying to abuse the asylum system, they're clearly expecting to be fast-tracked.
 
I love how these animals thought they could just roll in and get free gibs. I guess nobody told them that Trump isn't anything like Obama.
Or Bush. Or Clinton. Or Bush. Or Reagan...

Come to think of it they actually had pretty good reason to assume they could just roll in and get ree gibs.
 
Visited Mexicali early in the week, the park adjacent to the border was littered with sleeping hondurans, then yesterday they were all gone.

Details from some vendors were sketchy and contradicting, but as far as I can piece together some were opting for Mexicali as the U.S. city of Calexico is tiny in comparison which some said would be less secure but were deterred by the new border fences, other vendors mentioned that Tijuana is were all the humanitarian support was dishing out all the freebies so they headed there.
 
Or Bush. Or Clinton. Or Bush. Or Reagan...

Come to think of it they actually had pretty good reason to assume they could just roll in and get ree gibs.
It's almost like political leaders in this nation have followed the same basic plan on important issues like immigration, foreign policy, the economy, etc for decades. Even Trump only bucks the trend slightly. Like there is some sort of external force at work that's highlighting stark but largely meaningless differences in during campaigns to garner public support while it's business as usual on Capitol Hill. Who would do such a thing? It would require nearly unfathomable wealth, control of mainstream media news and entertainment, and infiltration of the highest levels of our government and judicial system. While this is a completely untenable conspiracy theory, it is frightening to think about.
 
"We wouldn't have come if we'd known it'd be this hard".

Gee, it's almost like a migrant flood can be avoided entirely if you take a hard line so they don't set off in the first place. Are you taking notes here Merkel?
 
I didn't used to relish the thought of armed men murdering foreigners on my behalf in defense of our great nation but life comes at you fast.
 
It's almost like political leaders in this nation have followed the same basic plan on important issues like immigration, foreign policy, the economy, etc for decades. Even Trump only bucks the trend slightly. Like there is some sort of external force at work that's highlighting stark but largely meaningless differences in during campaigns to garner public support while it's business as usual on Capitol Hill. Who would do such a thing? It would require nearly unfathomable wealth, control of mainstream media news and entertainment, and infiltration of the highest levels of our government and judicial system. While this is a completely untenable conspiracy theory, it is frightening to think about.
The effects that a group capable of such things would have on the very direction of humanity on a global scale would echo throughout history.
 
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