Virginity & Society - how virginity effects the social lives of people

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Oh...

This thread reminds me of another thread we had a while back about Kiwi relationship statuses. That's no longer around for some reason...

Eh, this thread should be fun while it lasts.
 
As a guy in his late twenties I just want to say I wish I was still a virgin because I'd be a wizard soon and instead I'm just a fucking normie.
I know that feel.

Sometimes I think to myself, "I got plenty of friends, I lost my virginity, I live on my own, I'm looking for work, when the fuck did that happen?"
 
Is there any way to lose it without online dating or alcohol or prostitution?

You mean like in a college setting? I'm sure there is. Maybe join clubs or study group or just talk to girls you're in class with and don't be obvious about it/try to make your interactions seem forced? One thing that worked for me was showing that I had a sense of humor and was knowledgeable. Depending on the class, girls might just ask to study with you if you come off as smart (happened to me once in intermediate Japanese and once for some random literature class I had). I won't say any more on that because I don't want to mislead you. But what worked for me was going to parties with friends, getting drunk, and meeting nice ladies who were also drunk. And I want to just say, for the record, that this doesn't mean having sex with drunk girls or perving on drunk girls or being a fucking creep. I'm saying that going to parties and getting drunk as a college freshman is a nice way to meet girls and it's an appropriate environment because they're also there to have fun and meet people.

And I'd try to have an open mind about that (and online dating as well). Think of it this way: once you lose your virginity, you never have to touch either alcohol or OkCupid ever again.

Christ that guy really needs a fleshlight or something.

I thought about getting him a blowup doll for his birthday one year (:julay:) but I don't know how he would have taken that.
 
You mean like in a college setting? I'm sure there is. Maybe join clubs or study group or just talk to girls you're in class with and don't be obvious about it/try to make your interactions seem forced? One thing that worked for me was showing that I had a sense of humor and was knowledgeable. Depending on the class, girls might just ask to study with you if you come off as smart (happened to me once in intermediate Japanese and once for some random literature class I had). I won't say any more on that because I don't want to mislead you. But what worked for me was going to parties with friends, getting drunk, and meeting nice ladies who were also drunk. And I want to just say, for the record, that this doesn't mean having sex with drunk girls or perving on drunk girls or being a fucking creep. I'm saying that going to parties and getting drunk as a college freshman is a nice way to meet girls and it's an appropriate environment because they're also there to have fun and meet people.

And I'd try to have an open mind about that (and online dating as well). Think of it this way: once you lose your virginity, you never have to touch either alcohol or OkCupid ever again.



I thought about getting him a blowup doll for his birthday one year (:julay:) but I don't know how he would have taken that.
Thanks loads for your help, but this isn't a cure for anxiety or depression so I don't really care.
 
Thanks loads for your help, but this isn't a cure for anxiety or depression so I don't really care.

What isn't a cure for anxiety or depression? Losing one's virginity? I wholeheartedly agree, as I still struggle with those things myself (I have before and long since after I lost my V-Card). Anti-depressants, in most cases, do put a major hamper on your sex drive (at least the ones that I took) but ehhhh that's kind of besides the point.

There was a poster earlier who said something to the effect of "losing your virginity won't make you a better person/change your life/whatever" and that's absolutely true. But if losing your virginity is a big deal to you (and it's not a big deal to a lot of people and that's perfectly fine) or something that you know is going to haunt you well into your twenties (and god help you, maybe beyond), then I do think losing it is important for your self-esteem and your ability to function as a sane, productive member of society. It's just...looking at the way my friend behaves/sees the world as a Virgin With Rage, it seems like there's a small segment of the young male population who, the longer they go without losing their virginity, the more they make it their sole fixation in life (and, ironically, the more unattainable it becomes). And the thought of that is troublesome.
 
What isn't a cure for anxiety or depression? Losing one's virginity? I wholeheartedly agree, as I still struggle with those things myself (I have before and long since after I lost my V-Card). Anti-depressants, in most cases, do put a major hamper on your sex drive (at least the ones that I took) but ehhhh that's kind of besides the point.

There was a poster earlier who said something to the effect of "losing your virginity won't make you a better person/change your life/whatever" and that's absolutely true. But if losing your virginity is a big deal to you (and it's not a big deal to a lot of people and that's perfectly fine) or something that you know is going to haunt you well into your twenties (and god help you, maybe beyond), then I do think losing it is important for your self-esteem and your ability to function as a sane, productive member of society. It's just...looking at the way my friend behaves/sees the world as a Virgin With Rage, it seems like there's a small segment of the young male population who, the longer they go without losing their virginity, the more they make it their sole fixation in life (and, ironically, the more unattainable it becomes). And the thought of that is troublesome.
I already commented on it earlier. I have had plenty of opportunities to lose it but I have enough on my plate without worrying about pregnancy and all that. I'd sooner finish up school and start my career.

To each their own but people need to stop putting such an unhealthy emphasis on it.
 
God, I hate to make it sound like I'm defending the virgins with rage of the world because no one laughs harder at them than I do but....I'd say that it's kind of easy for girls (especially ones who have had the opportunities) to say that these unfortunate dudes need to "stop making a big deal about it".

And to clarify, I wasn't even referring to normal, everyday guys or even ones who are well-adjusted enough to take certain things in stride or people who are at peace with themselves and the knowledge that sex is no big D. I was speaking for the ones, like my crazy friend, who get this fixation on losing their virginity in their heads that, over time, blossoms into this full-blown inferiority complex (which may or may not be perpetuated by societal norms, real or perceived) and no amount of telling them that it doesn't matter or isn't a big deal will penetrate their autistic forcefields. Having sex won't suddenly make them a success in life, but at least it's one less autistic fixation that'll consume their time and energy. So all I was really suggesting is that for the less socially fluent males among us, there's a pretty narrow window to lose their virginity and if it's that important to them, they should take advantage of it.
 
I'm a sperg and when I was younger, I had impossibly high standards, so I was a virgin all throughout my enrollment in public education. All throughout middle school I was on a Love Quest of my own, but when I got into high school, I learned to chill the fuck out and focus on other pursuits, so losing my virginity was not a top priority for me as much as cultivating friendships with peers was. I've had two girls proposition me for sex, one in 8th grade and one in 10th grade; the former did not go through because my impossibly high standards (even though she was not bad looking) and the latter because I was too shy to follow up on it. So I just lost my virginity earlier this year at 19, and to my surprise, it was NOT the greatest thing in the world. So if I could impart one piece of wisdom to other virgins, it would be that sex is not the end-all, be-all of life. Just try to live the most fulfilling one you can and the opportunity will present itself to you.
 
God, I hate to make it sound like I'm defending the virgins with rage of the world because no one laughs harder at them than I do but....I'd say that it's kind of easy for girls (especially ones who have had the opportunities) to say that these unfortunate dudes need to "stop making a big deal about it".

And to clarify, I wasn't even referring to normal, everyday guys or even ones who are well-adjusted enough to take certain things in stride or people who are at peace with themselves and the knowledge that sex is no big D. I was speaking for the ones, like my crazy friend, who get this fixation on losing their virginity in their heads that, over time, blossoms into this full-blown inferiority complex (which may or may not be perpetuated by societal norms, real or perceived) and no amount of telling them that it doesn't matter or isn't a big deal will penetrate their autistic forcefields. Having sex won't suddenly make them a success in life, but at least it's one less autistic fixation that'll consume their time and energy. So all I was really suggesting is that for the less socially fluent males among us, there's a pretty narrow window to lose their virginity and if it's that important to them, they should take advantage of it.

I'm not exactly in the same boat as straight male normies who struggled to lose their virginity, but I remember this being something that dragged on me dearly as well. I don't remember ever making it the central focus of my life, though. What kind of happened to me was, any mention of sex or relationships would immediately send me into a tailspin emotionally. Life became not specifically about losing my virginity, but struggling to ignore all the reminders that I hadn't, and a significant portion of my mental energy was dedicated toward ignoring that sex was even a normal part of life for most people. It got so bad that I would literally up and leave the room without warning, to everyone's bewilderment, when the conversation turned to sex. At one point, one friend from college caught onto why I would leave, and point-blank asked me if I was molested, which was particularly embarrassing. I couldn't bear to acknowledge that I had been so excluded from something so amazing, that everyone could do regularly with mysterious and cryptic ease. Simultaneously, I had also given up any realistic prospect of fixing it, and it was easier to continually run away from it, like a tormenting demon that comes and goes.

Everything was fine as long as I lived under the staggering delusion that sex was not a regular, normal part of most healthy people's lives. This enabled me to largely function under the facade of normalcy, but ultimately I had some very deep issues, and my usual strategy with issues tends to be simply ignoring them and continuing to function as best as I can until they finally explode in my face. At one point, the situation was so volatile that the "explosion" would happen if I had even saw a dopey little sex scene in a movie. Don't say the S-word.

A lot of that went away though, but I wouldn't say it was because I had sex. For the record, virtually nothing about my situation has changed after having sex, except having had sex. This issue isn't about virginity in the end. The real issue is the very troublesome realisation that everyone else can go to this amazing party any time they want, and you are perpetually not invited. Losing one's virginity one little time does not reduce the mind-crushing effect this exclusion has on one's self. You're effectively trapped in your room studying, while everyone outside the open window laughs and plays carefree.
 
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To everyone saying losing it wasn't a big deal: that's not the problem. Most virgins don't just want to pump and dump some random slut. It's the part about never having been wanted or experienced affection in that way that stings.
 
Sex isn't the issue. Virginity as a social problem is more than not having sex. Chris has had sex, but he is still functionally a virgin. He is dumb, but his view of sex as social act is spot on. Sex is a rite of passage. it represents that you are doing things right. Unless you are a rapist, you need to be somewhat social to get sex. Someone needs to be attracted to you or at least willing to have sex with you. That is missing for "incel" male virgins (female virgins are a myth according to studies). It may not be the same for virgins "by choice" or due to religion or abuse, but those situations should be more rare.

Sex is the final step. It is the test and reward at once. Virgins mostly haven't started on the path. The virgins that I have known all shared similar experiences: >tfwnogf/bf since childhood, no real interaction with preferred sex, very limited social abilities, and feelings of inadequacy around "normies." I honestly didn't even know most people who were my age had sex until it could come up in conversation. In college I was in a classroom with 12 or so people while we waited for professor to come and start the class. Someone said that two people were missing because they were fucking, which eventually led to everyone talking about sex around campus: in the library and in classrooms and in some wooded area near a pond on campus. The pond place was pretty popular as the girl said she had to go back to look for her keys the next day; under daylight, she saw used condoms all over the ground. Oh, I also remember volunteering at a kids event in a city a few hours away for a weekend with someone from my school. He disappeared half way through the first day. Later he came to the hotel to shower before leaving. He fucked the mother of a kid at the event, and they were going out that night.

When you aren't sexual [or have even started dating or whatever people did in late 2000s and today] you feel different. You know that people's already low opinions of you would drop further if they knew positively that you are a virgin. They probably suspect already, but that still leaves possibility that you aren't. Hearing about sex just makes it worse. You know it is a world you could never be a part of. You feel like an outsider. An alien viewing another species that sees you as different because you are different. It becomes easier to close yourself off from society instead of dealing with constant feelings of not belonging.
 
Sex isn't the issue. Virginity as a social problem is more than not having sex. Chris has had sex, but he is still functionally a virgin. He is dumb, but his view of sex as social act is spot on. Sex is a rite of passage. it represents that you are doing things right. Unless you are a rapist, you need to be somewhat social to get sex. Someone needs to be attracted to you or at least willing to have sex with you. That is missing for "incel" male virgins (female virgins are a myth according to studies). It may not be the same for virgins "by choice" or due to religion or abuse, but those situations should be more rare.

Sex is the final step. It is the test and reward at once. Virgins mostly haven't started on the path. The virgins that I have known all shared similar experiences: >tfwnogf/bf since childhood, no real interaction with preferred sex, very limited social abilities, and feelings of inadequacy around "normies." I honestly didn't even know most people who were my age had sex until it could come up in conversation. In college I was in a classroom with 12 or so people while we waited for professor to come and start the class. Someone said that two people were missing because they were fucking, which eventually led to everyone talking about sex around campus: in the library and in classrooms and in some wooded area near a pond on campus. The pond place was pretty popular as the girl said she had to go back to look for her keys the next day; under daylight, she saw used condoms all over the ground. Oh, I also remember volunteering at a kids event in a city a few hours away for a weekend with someone from my school. He disappeared half way through the first day. Later he came to the hotel to shower before leaving. He fucked the mother of a kid at the event, and they were going out that night.

When you aren't sexual [or have even started dating or whatever people did in late 2000s and today] you feel different. You know that people's already low opinions of you would drop further if they knew positively that you are a virgin. They probably suspect already, but that still leaves possibility that you aren't. Hearing about sex just makes it worse. You know it is a world you could never be a part of. You feel like an outsider. An alien viewing another species that sees you as different because you are different. It becomes easier to close yourself off from society instead of dealing with constant feelings of not belonging.
I'm quoting this so you can't delete it.
 
I'm pretty sure that anyone who skips class for sex is not well-adjusted.
Anyone who anguishes over still being a virgin is also not well-adjusted.
 
Sex isn't the issue. Virginity as a social problem is more than not having sex. Chris has had sex, but he is still functionally a virgin. He is dumb, but his view of sex as social act is spot on. Sex is a rite of passage. it represents that you are doing things right. Unless you are a rapist, you need to be somewhat social to get sex. Someone needs to be attracted to you or at least willing to have sex with you. That is missing for "incel" male virgins (female virgins are a myth according to studies). It may not be the same for virgins "by choice" or due to religion or abuse, but those situations should be more rare.

Sex is the final step. It is the test and reward at once. Virgins mostly haven't started on the path. The virgins that I have known all shared similar experiences: >tfwnogf/bf since childhood, no real interaction with preferred sex, very limited social abilities, and feelings of inadequacy around "normies." I honestly didn't even know most people who were my age had sex until it could come up in conversation. In college I was in a classroom with 12 or so people while we waited for professor to come and start the class. Someone said that two people were missing because they were fucking, which eventually led to everyone talking about sex around campus: in the library and in classrooms and in some wooded area near a pond on campus. The pond place was pretty popular as the girl said she had to go back to look for her keys the next day; under daylight, she saw used condoms all over the ground. Oh, I also remember volunteering at a kids event in a city a few hours away for a weekend with someone from my school. He disappeared half way through the first day. Later he came to the hotel to shower before leaving. He fucked the mother of a kid at the event, and they were going out that night.

When you aren't sexual [or have even started dating or whatever people did in late 2000s and today] you feel different. You know that people's already low opinions of you would drop further if they knew positively that you are a virgin. They probably suspect already, but that still leaves possibility that you aren't. Hearing about sex just makes it worse. You know it is a world you could never be a part of. You feel like an outsider. An alien viewing another species that sees you as different because you are different. It becomes easier to close yourself off from society instead of dealing with constant feelings of not belonging.
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Hahaha! You actually got an achievement for being so exceptional!
 
I have a feeling the Isla Vista shooter said something like this before killing 12 people.
No, he blamed people for not fucking him. I accept that people don't want to fuck me. I am okay with it. Normies will never understand it. 2% of guys won't ever have sex. Some people are just losers through no fault of their own.

No one should be mad at the world. it doesn't solve anything. Virgins need to accept that they are not like "normies". "Normies" need to accept that they will never understand what is like to be unwanted by and unattractive to everyone.

My point is that Chris is actually right. When you don't fit in socially, you don't go through a normal life. Virgins know that they are virgins while nearly everyone else isn't.
Anyone who anguishes over still being a virgin is also not well-adjusted.
Is acceptance really anguishing? We should alll accept our shortcomings. It is worse why people try to lie about it. There isn't someone for everyone. Some people will die unloved and alone. Most of them won't know anything different so it isn't really that bad. These are the things that virgins are concerned with.
You need to get laid.
Some can live without being slaves to base instincts like some savage animal.
 
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