Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines: 2 - I want to believe, but...

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p1138 said:
Cyberpunk saw a bit of a boost from the videogame and netflix show, but bloodlines 2 isn't either of those and won't have the same amount of resource thrown at it post launch to fix it like CP 2077 either.
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Cyberpunk also got a lot of eyes on it because it was being made by the same developers as the Witcher. So it had hype built-in, and if we're honest it kinda got fucked over because of it. Bloodlines 2 has no expectations, certainly, but it also has dick for hype. People who follow Paradox games aren't going to be interested, very few people even know what The Chinese Room is, and the game has very little hook to reel in the average gamer. It could turn out to be the best first-person RPG ever made, but it unless it somehow went viral due to streamers it would be an obscure game.
 
Corn Flakes said:
Cyberpunk also got a lot of eyes on it because it was being made by the same developers as the Witcher. So it had hype built-in, and if we're honest it kinda got fucked over because of it. Bloodlines 2 has no expectations, certainly, but it also has dick for hype. People who follow Paradox games aren't going to be interested, very few people even know what The Chinese Room is, and the game has very little hook to reel in the average gamer. It could turn out to be the best first-person RPG ever made, but it unless it somehow went viral due to streamers it would be an obscure game.
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I'd say as far as hype, it's even worse - the game has Anti-Hype, at a level that whenever I see posts about it on Normie Sites comments are split between "This is still coming out?" and bashing them for whatever rake they've most recently stepped on.

I stand by saying the only reason it's even being booted out is that Paradox has thrown too much money into it that cancelling it and trying to find a way to make it a tax write off would be the better option, but the fact they haven't pulled the plug has me wondering just what the bean counters at Paradox are saying about this trash fire.
 
Tablet County said:
Should've made a Mage game instead.
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I mean...they made a Werewolf game, which is probably the second most well-known IP in the WoD sphere besides Vampire, and it was a complete dud. Utterly mediocre as a game, and with a player count to match:

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Fucking 66 players as all-time peak. I think if they made a Mage-based game, which is less known, even among people who played V:TM, you'd probably be able to fit the entire playerbase inside an elevator.
 
Need for Sped said:
I mean...they made a Werewolf game, which is probably the second most well-known IP in the WoD sphere besides Vampire, and it was a complete dud. Utterly mediocre as a game, and with a player count to match:

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Fucking 66 players as all-time peak. I think if they made a Mage-based game, which is less known, even among people who played V:TM, you'd probably be able to fit the entire playerbase inside an elevator.
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Holy shit I completely forgot that game existed after the lame trailers for it. Can add that to the list of failures Paradox has had with this damned IP even if it was licensed or agreed to before Paradox bought White Wolf. This is just further cements my idea that the entire WoD IP should have ended after the first bloodlines game as nothing worthwhile has come of it since.
 
p1138 said:
This is just further cements my idea that the entire WoD IP should have ended after the first bloodlines game as nothing worthwhile has come of it since.
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You probably could revitalize the IP if you gave it to a competent cRPG developer, budgeted it accordingly, and stuck to the old lore, and told them to excise all the woke shit.

There's obviously a market for gritty urban fantasy not aimed at women, and for Bloodlines 1 fans.

The problem with WoD is that Paradox are both cheap and very incompetent, and seemingly unable (or unwilling) to keep their writers in line.
 
p1138 said:
Holy shit I completely forgot that game existed after the lame trailers for it. Can add that to the list of failures Paradox has had with this damned IP even if it was licensed or agreed to before Paradox bought White Wolf. This is just further cements my idea that the entire WoD IP should have ended after the first bloodlines game as nothing worthwhile has come of it since.
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The 'If the Emperor Had a Text-To-Speech Device' people moving away from Warhammer 40k to World of Darkness stuff has probably done more to promote the IP than anything, ever, probably. Even those animated sessions of playing Mage have hundreds of thousands of views.
 
Need for Sped said:
I'm not sure if I'm imaging things
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You’re not, you’re spot on.

I opened Reddit for the first time in almost a year, and there was a thread having a chimp out over negative comments from the original announcement. Somebody came in the thread to prove most people were positive when a sequel was first announced, but everyone ignored them to engage in recent history revision.
 
In that Lasombra DLC they made free, there's a priest outfit that you get bonus diologue from.

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Well shit i gotta get it now. I thought I was gonna play as a hobo doomslayer, but I just might go full Kotomine

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Prophetic Spirit said:
Well, i advanced into Bloodlines enough to reach Downtown.
Fucking Anarchs, man; even Damsel is a parody of neo-communism. Wtf.
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Skelter is actually based as hell though. Dude's a Vietnam vet who hates Damsel since she reminds him of all the protesters back home. Keep in mind that the vast majority of people who were involved in 'Nam were volunteers, not draftees, almost certainly including Skelter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States#Vietnam_War
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9 million personnel, 2.5 million would go to Vietnam, and 1,766,910 were drafted for service. Even if we assume every single person who was drafted got sent to the meat grinder, that's still only half the guys we sent, including Air Force and Navy personnel, who were 100% volunteer. But the Army being smart, the majority of personnel who were sent to an active warzone were people who willingly joined, a draftee being more likely to spend time in Europe, Korea or even at home instead of Vietnam. The media has done a lovely job creating a Mandela Effect about conscription here.
 
Snekposter said:
Skelter is actually based as hell though. Dude's a Vietnam vet who hates Damsel since she reminds him of all the protesters back home. Keep in mind that the vast majority of people who were involved in 'Nam were volunteers, not draftees, almost certainly including Skelter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States#Vietnam_War
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9 million personnel, 2.5 million would go to Vietnam, and 1,766,910 were drafted for service. Even if we assume every single person who was drafted got sent to the meat grinder, that's still only half the guys we sent, including Air Force and Navy personnel, who were 100% volunteer. But the Army being smart, the majority of personnel who were sent to an active warzone were people who willingly joined, a draftee being more likely to spend time in Europe, Korea or even at home instead of Vietnam. The media has done a lovely job creating a Mandela Effect about conscription here.
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Well, he's a Gangrel so he pass.
I finished the game just last night. I'm gonna admit, siding with the anarchs as a Toreador only to destroy the gay Camarilla is a good choice: not entirely anarch but at least free of Lacroix.
The easter egg ending one is maybe one of the best shit i've seen in the Unofficial Patch Plus. Holy shit.
 
Prophetic Spirit said:
I'm gonna admit, siding with the anarchs as a Toreador only to destroy the gay Camarilla is a good choice: not entirely anarch but at least free of Lacroix.
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I always side with the Camarilla, via Strauss. The Anarchs can't hold LA by themselves, and their are childishly naïve about how things should be run.

The Camarilla is not perfect by any means, but they've managed to coexist with humans, and keep the peace, for thousands of years, so they seem to be doing something right.

One of my few major complaints about the game is how it does the Camarilla dirty in favour of the Anarch, simply by never pitting the two ideologies against each other, just by making LaCroix a petulant little shit and Nines a bro.
 
I remember playing towards the endgame when you're at LaCroix tower and I don't know if it's a bug or Troika didn't pay attention but is the head LaCroix security detail that has the speaking part supposed to be LaCroix himself because he has the exact same head but a different voice.
 
regalterry said:
I always side with the Camarilla, via Strauss. The Anarchs can't hold LA by themselves, and their are childishly naïve about how things should be run.

The Camarilla is not perfect by any means, but they've managed to coexist with humans, and keep the peace, for thousands of years, so they seem to be doing something right.

One of my few major complaints about the game is how it does the Camarilla dirty in favour of the Anarch, simply by never pitting the two ideologies against each other, just by making LaCroix a petulant little shit and Nines a bro.
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Yeah, i know Strauss is good for a new leadership. Having a lot of persuasion let me know about his true intentions about the Camarilla. Same about his points of the Anarchs.
But later i meet Isaac Abrams and being Toreador make a lot of fine points. Even if you have his side tells you about not trusting LaCroix.
 
Martys_not_smarty said:
I remember playing towards the endgame when you're at LaCroix tower and I don't know if it's a bug or Troika didn't pay attention but is the head LaCroix security detail that has the speaking part supposed to be LaCroix himself because he has the exact same head but a different voice.
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It's not really presented well, but one of the Dominate powers in the TTRPG is basically possessing people at will. I can't remember if the nimbus representing discipline use was part of the original game or if it was added in one of the Wesp/Unofficial patches though.
 
regalterry said:
I always side with the Camarilla, via Strauss. The Anarchs can't hold LA by themselves, and their are childishly naïve about how things should be run.

The Camarilla is not perfect by any means, but they've managed to coexist with humans, and keep the peace, for thousands of years, so they seem to be doing something right.

One of my few major complaints about the game is how it does the Camarilla dirty in favour of the Anarch, simply by never pitting the two ideologies against each other, just by making LaCroix a petulant little shit and Nines a bro.
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Yeah but they make up for it by giving you an ending where you give Nines the finger.
 
Tablet County said:
Yeah but they make up for it by giving you an ending where you give Nines the finger.
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Lone Wolf ending alludes leaving L.A, which i don't that in non-Gangrel playthroughts.
Now i'm playing Ventrue: Fortitude and Prescence using Melee. Dominate isn't powerful early game more than disabling someone for 10 seconds.
I got sex with Jeanette. That was weird.
But i merged them. That was based.
 
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