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Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
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Decent video, but he ignores the US internal politics and only makes a weak connection between this course correct and the NATO funding agreement.
I think he also underestimates who was being strung along, which was foot draggers in NATO.
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Shamelessly stolen from twitter, but it's an important wrinkle in this war.
NEOCONS IN CONTROL
On a personal note it's annoying that it took Trump 6 months to get to this point. "lel putin.... is lying????" Hopefully this is a turning point, and tomorrow Don isn't ranting about annexing greenland again. It is worth noting last time Trump talked like this, it was when he was teasing the Iran strike. Therefore it's not impossible he'll follow through for once, God willing.
NEOCONS IN CONTROL
On a personal note it's annoying that it took Trump 6 months to get to this point. "lel putin.... is lying????" Hopefully this is a turning point, and tomorrow Don isn't ranting about annexing greenland again. It is worth noting last time Trump talked like this, it was when he was teasing the Iran strike. Therefore it's not impossible he'll follow through for once, God willing.
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Russians out of uniform trying to shoot down a Ukrainian drone which is raining thermite onto their storage building:
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Trump bent over backwards to give Vlad Daddy an exit strategy that would let Russia stop hemorrhaging men and stuff and money in hoholstan and claim a legit if underwhelming W, and Vlad Daddy strung him along. I dunno why people think stringing Trump along is a good idea, there is nothing he hates more than being strung along. Except maybe Rosie O'Donnell
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I'm always surprised by how hard they are to hit, even at relatively close range
I love how this retard is screaming at the drone as if it can hear him lol
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How would you feel if while watching these videos you recognized somebody you knew?
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Viktor Orban chimed in yet again on the Ukraine situation last night in a presidential interview [quotes I mentioned start at 30:32], the quote was republished at multiple official social media pages including the party's official page, so this seems to be official Hungarian foreign policy at this point.
He is now fearmongering that somehow the Ukrainian army in the middle of all of this (or after all of this?) will literally turn towards a neighbouring NATO member [Hungary] to conquer it. It's not a mistranslation, paraphrasing, or anything or something that can be misunderstood, he actually said a potential attack by Ukraine's army on Hungarian soil is a concern.
Direct translation of the quote: "I don't want to be next to a country called Ukraine that has a million people strong army- and only God knows when and where that army will eventually turn."
[Edit note: this is the actual quote he said, directly saying "country called Ukraine". That's what he says in the video, however everywhere this quote has been officially republished by them in the form of little pictures or whatever (like the one I linked, published by the official page for the party) the word "Ukraine" is omitted. Curious.]
Just to make sure this wasn't taken out of context, this is what he said before this in the interview.: "I was there at the meeting where Mr. Zelensky proclaimed that a million-strong-army needs to be maintained. Ukraine is willing to produce this many soldiers, and the European Union is the one who would need to maintain it alone. [insert earlier quote here]"
This comes in the wake of one topic the propaganda channels are 24/7 full with in Hungary for the past week or so, which is that an ethnic Hungarian conscript died in a hospital. The Hungarians allege it was due to a beating due to trying to dodge the draft, they only base it on what the man's brother claimed (the recruiting officers beat him up with metal bars). Plot twist: The brother later came out and said he never claimed that.
The Ukrainian version published by the embassy tldr.:
Passed all health checks in June 14.
Started basic training in June 15.
June 18 he deserted without weapon.
June 24 he went back on its own to the Berehove Regional Hospital's ER where he was diagnosed with 'acute stressreaction'. He was transported to the Psychiatric Caretaker Facility in the same town. No signs of physical damage has been found on his body, no wounds, bruises, nothing.
July 6 he died, the cause being pulmonary embolism. Coroner still found no wounds or bruises.
The man's literally been made a martyr at this point, the front pages of literally every media even tangentially related to the regime is filled with this story and how the man died due to forced conscription. To be fair, both sides only had words as proof (although the Ukrainian ambassador claims they are open to launching a more in-depth investigation), and to play the devil's advocate for a moment, pulmonary embolism can be caused by physical trauma. You can decide which one is more credible.
Edit so I'm not shitting up the thread: Another funny FIDESZ post from yesterday from the official page, courtesy of Szijjarto (Hungary's Minister of Foreign Affairs).
Translation: "There's a manhunt in Ukraine. People are beaten to death and subjected to brutal violence because they don't want to go to war. This is unacceptable!"
He is now fearmongering that somehow the Ukrainian army in the middle of all of this (or after all of this?) will literally turn towards a neighbouring NATO member [Hungary] to conquer it. It's not a mistranslation, paraphrasing, or anything or something that can be misunderstood, he actually said a potential attack by Ukraine's army on Hungarian soil is a concern.
Direct translation of the quote: "I don't want to be next to a country called Ukraine that has a million people strong army- and only God knows when and where that army will eventually turn."
[Edit note: this is the actual quote he said, directly saying "country called Ukraine". That's what he says in the video, however everywhere this quote has been officially republished by them in the form of little pictures or whatever (like the one I linked, published by the official page for the party) the word "Ukraine" is omitted. Curious.]
Just to make sure this wasn't taken out of context, this is what he said before this in the interview.: "I was there at the meeting where Mr. Zelensky proclaimed that a million-strong-army needs to be maintained. Ukraine is willing to produce this many soldiers, and the European Union is the one who would need to maintain it alone. [insert earlier quote here]"
This comes in the wake of one topic the propaganda channels are 24/7 full with in Hungary for the past week or so, which is that an ethnic Hungarian conscript died in a hospital. The Hungarians allege it was due to a beating due to trying to dodge the draft, they only base it on what the man's brother claimed (the recruiting officers beat him up with metal bars). Plot twist: The brother later came out and said he never claimed that.
The Ukrainian version published by the embassy tldr.:
Passed all health checks in June 14.
Started basic training in June 15.
June 18 he deserted without weapon.
June 24 he went back on its own to the Berehove Regional Hospital's ER where he was diagnosed with 'acute stressreaction'. He was transported to the Psychiatric Caretaker Facility in the same town. No signs of physical damage has been found on his body, no wounds, bruises, nothing.
July 6 he died, the cause being pulmonary embolism. Coroner still found no wounds or bruises.
The man's literally been made a martyr at this point, the front pages of literally every media even tangentially related to the regime is filled with this story and how the man died due to forced conscription. To be fair, both sides only had words as proof (although the Ukrainian ambassador claims they are open to launching a more in-depth investigation), and to play the devil's advocate for a moment, pulmonary embolism can be caused by physical trauma. You can decide which one is more credible.
Edit so I'm not shitting up the thread: Another funny FIDESZ post from yesterday from the official page, courtesy of Szijjarto (Hungary's Minister of Foreign Affairs).
Translation: "There's a manhunt in Ukraine. People are beaten to death and subjected to brutal violence because they don't want to go to war. This is unacceptable!"
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Finally NATO makes a concrete and relevant warning to Moscow for jamming airline GPS on its borders, particularly in the so called Kaliningrad. Given NATO's hitherto supine reaction to Kremlin provocations ('don't be so rude, other we'll write a strongly worded letter' type stuff). I hope something happens. This will result in deaths. MH17 resulted in 283 passenger and 15 crew deaths. Now it was shot down by Russians commanded by Girkin, but the culpability would surely be similar. Then it means hard words and more blankets for Ukraine from Obama.
Trump asked Zekensky why he didn't hit Moscow so plans to offer him the means.
Of course, there's still a degree where this has to be concrete, but this is very hopeful.
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Oh God, oh dear Lord, I am trying so hard not to get a massive yet premature boner at the mere thought of a Ukrainian Tomahawk flying into the Kremlin.
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I just hope it never happens. It's shitty enough seeing so many people suffer and die pointlessly even when it's not personal. But I'm never going to blame Ukraine for defending itself.
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It took NATO 6 months to agree to reasonable defense funding levels. And 6 months for the US congress to pass the budget Trump wanted.
Fucking Kino.
To be completely fair, this possibility has influenced NATO spending and weapons supply, specifically that you'd end up with a post Iran/Iraq situation with an country that is wrecked and in debt with very little economy but a lot of already mobilized army and weaker neighbors.
However, I think we can all readily agree: that's an excuse, not the reason.
If he was actually concerned about a post-conflict Ukraine there viable options to counter the threat such as:
- Asking for additional NATO basing inside Hungary and neighboring countries; if the threat is legit Romania will certainly share those concerns and also want additional NATO formations in-country.
- Increasing Hungary's own defense posture.
- Diplomacy with Ukraine to get agreements about border integrity and airspace; how close to the border Ukraine may have bases, framework for Hungarian inspectors to visit those bases, forbidding Ukraine from posturing with drones, etc.
- Further diplomatic solutions such as tightening alliances and military coordination with Romania, Moldova, and Slovakia. Even getting tighter coordination with fellow NATO member regional heavies to ensure they will be ready before anyone even talks about Article 5. Ukraine certainly wouldn't invade Hungary if doing so means Turkey shuts them out of the Bosphorus.
- He forgot about Poland (common mistake)
Same, but much like actually dating that manic pixie dream girl, the dream has some serious flaws.
Namely unless Ukraine would violate Belarusian airspace, a strike on Moscow or St. Pete would require dozens of missiles or it wouldn't get very far from the border unless directed at border targets.
The capability upgrade would be nice, but given AAD for both cities is already adjusted for strikes from the Ukrainian direction due to long range drones, it woudn't cause a massive shift in Russian defense deployment which is what you'd really want.
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"I gave Putin two weeks".. "I give you two months"
Donald is a cuck of a president, sorry @Ghostse
Giving Russia more time to capture whatever they want, blame the "Eurocucks" all you want. Both Europe and America have failed freedom and democracy with the Ukrainian war, and America will fail again when China attacks Taiwan again.
Just ot let you all know, America invented terrorism.
Donald is a cuck of a president, sorry @Ghostse
Giving Russia more time to capture whatever they want, blame the "Eurocucks" all you want. Both Europe and America have failed freedom and democracy with the Ukrainian war, and America will fail again when China attacks Taiwan again.
Just ot let you all know, America invented terrorism.
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I have a vague recollection of...maybe it was Sweden? who sent Flakpanzer Gepard to Ukraine, and then the Germans vetoed giving them any ammo. Like, forbade any nation to send the goddamn Flakpanzer Gepard, arguably the best mobile AA gun ever built in the west, any fucking bullets.
I don't want to hear moralizing or handwringing from NATO about Trump's pauses on Ukraine defense support. That the Ukrainians had Javelin to use in the early desperate days of the war was - surprise! - thanks to Donald Trump.
Meanwhile the Crimea was taken over on Obama's watch with little more than pursed lips and eyerolling from Obama, and despite the fact we have 2000+ M1s sitting in desert storage, the Biden admin gave an overwhelming force of eleven to Ukraine. And don't get me started on the "We'll let you have F16s in a few years, pinky promise" bullshit.
People can fault Trump for his foot dragging in Ukraine if they want but it's not like NATO has had them on a 3000 calorie a day diet or anything.
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Germany sent the Gepard. Switzerland - neutral, not a NATO member - who manufactures the ammunition for it, denied Germany the right to re-export that ammunition with the threat of shutting down future production.
(Sweden sent the Archer self-propelled howitzer. It's cool shit. Just thought I'd mention that.)
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Thank you for the correction.
But my point still stands: the refrain of "dRuMpF hItLeR aNd HiS BuDdY pUtIn" is rich coming from Europe when they still buy gas and oil from the Russians, and so on.
And yeah the Archer is a beast of a gun. It's actually under consideration for the wheeled Howitzer project here in the US.
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You've got it twisted. Germany wanted to transfer ammo, the Swiss told them no.
The German Chancellor however did completely axe a several billion dollar lethal aid transfer that was previously approved by parliament because it looked like his party was going to get slaughtered by the AfD. It didn't help his party any, but it did hurt Ukraine. And as you point out, utter crickets from the "Trump's Kompromat" squad because it wasn't Trump doing it.
It was even dumber than that. The Swiss company that made the ammo went under in 1999.
However, the issue is understandable which is the manufacture license explicity stated that Germany needed permission from Switzerland to transfer the ammo out of Germany, and Swiss law forbids selling or sending lethal aid to active combat zones. (As long as you are actually, truly neutral I can't really take issue; additionally Switzerland was working on a new law/ammendment to the law that would allow the transfer of Swiss materiel by countries it was sold to without Swiss approval)
You can largely blame Egypt for that.
That and the fact an Abrams is 70 tons.
Attempting to condense this shit to the bare minimum:
Egypt as a reward for "Having the Suez Canal in their territory" got a license to build M-1 Abrams for Europe and North Africa. Any country in Europe or Africa that isn't in NATO and didn't already have Abramses had buy them from Egypt or Egypt had to sign off on allowing them to buy from another supplier. There is a small carve out for small demonstration deployments - which is why Ukraine got like 30 tanks as a "demonstration".
Egypt however is a dysfunctional Islamic shithole so they have managed to build like 5 Abrams.
The reason why Poland is making their own Polish K-2 variant instead of going all in on Abrams is because Egypt wouldn't allow Poland a production agreement and Poland didn't want to depend on the Atlantic being open for their tank fleet.
The other half of the equation is that the Abrams is 70tons. Even if the US wanted to play fuck-fuck games and just do some double-jointed reach-around play where it transfers the tanks to Poland who transfers them to Ukraine, the logistics of sending - and then the parts to maintain - those tanks is prohibitive expensive. Hence the decision to go with the Leopard with Rhinemetal's factories right there.
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In 50 days Russia will have maybe captured another 500 square km. Maybe
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Importing one million Pajeets into your decrepit country is based and trad and how you save the white race, you NAFO tranny globohomo nigger kike, based trad Putin triggers the globohomo jewish trannies again!
Jai Russia, Slava Hind saar, India stands with sexy Russia women against Ukropiggie globohomo nazis saar, BRICS won, Bharat won, NATO nazi imperialists lost
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The Leopard II the Euros love so much, also weights as much as the Abrams. Poland is getting Abrams in addition to the K-2 Panther variant. Going by the feedback from the Ukrainians, Leopard IIs are preferred mainly on the number of Euros who already using it. For survivability Ukrainians don't use the hull ammunition storage since it's not protected and open to the crew compartment. So only the turret ammunition stowage is used. Still for self preservation reasons, Ukraine altogether is looking outside of Europe for military hardware licensing needs for the immediate future.